Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[rez125]

Is the witness a ballistics expert or a metallurgist? I doubt both. If the P is worth a salt, he would trend that way during cross. However that I am aware, the state did leave opportunities on the table with past witnesses, IMO.

BTW, do you know if RA had military training? I seem to recall reading somewhere he was in the guard at one time & had kept his hair short since then. Am I mistaken? This might lead back to our further musings on the escape.

Ex National Guard.

 

[INfisherman]

Ex National Guard.

Thank you!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Is the witness a ballistics expert or a metallurgist? I doubt both. If the P is worth a salt, he would trend that way during cross. However that I am aware, the state did leave opportunities on the table with past witnesses, IMO.

BTW, do you know if RA had military training? I seem to recall reading somewhere he was in the guard at one time & had kept his hair short since then. Am I mistaken? This might lead back to our further musings on the escape.

Yes RA was in the National Guard.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Interesting as to what will be seen starting Monday, maybe even more falsehoods and rumors can be put to rest, I personally want to hear about RA's demeanor in these videos:

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Next week, the jury will see two videos of Richard Allen being questioned by police on Oct. 13, 2022, and Oct. 26, 2022.

'There's been mistakes made' | Jury to see videos of Richard Allen being questioned by police | Day 8 of Delphi murders trial

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Is the witness a ballistics expert or a metallurgist? I doubt both. If the P is worth a salt, he would trend that way during cross. However that I am aware, the state did leave opportunities on the table with past witnesses, IMO.

BTW, do you know if RA had military training? I seem to recall reading somewhere he was in the guard at one time & had kept his hair short since then. Am I mistaken? This might lead back to our further musings on the escape.

The witness is a ballistics expert. The judge wouldn't allow the metallurgist to testify. He absolutely does not believe in the "science" of took marks.
Yes, RA was in the NG and his wife said he always kept his hair short.
MOO
Musings on his escape? Interesting.

 

[Bergmann]

Next week, the jury will see two videos of Richard Allen being questioned by police on Oct. 13, 2022, and Oct. 26, 2022.

Oh yes I definitely eagerly await these videos being shown in court. They will be fascinating IMO especially what the jury makes off them.

And of course, being belatedly admitted into court as exhibits means that at some point they will become public - this is very helpful IMO.

 

[Bergmann]

They are going to have to change their timeline midstream on where the car was parked. Wild misses by the state.

Holeman had a pretty awful time on the stand IMO. The thing he did that really didn't help the state's case was his testimony about RA's black Ford Focus and where it was parked between 1.30-3pm on the day in question.

When asked by Baldwin he is reported to have said that he didn't know but witnesses in the area had identified his car between these times.

When challenged as to which witnesses, who were they then, Holeman unfortunately said Betsy Blair, to which Bladwin reminded him that BB described a 1965 Comet not a black Ford Focus.

So the conclusion I drew is so which other witnesses then because we haven't heard their testimony in court identifying RA's Ford Focus at a time and place which supports the state's timeline.

Another problem on top of state witnesses describing someone that doesn't look like RA, and a state bullet expert saying that she can't identify the found cartridge to cartridges cycled through RAs gun because the impressions aren't clear enough.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

The witness is a ballistics expert. The judge wouldn't allow the metallurgist to testify. He absolutely does not believe in the "science" of took marks.
Yes, RA was in the NG and his wife said he always kept his hair short.
MOO
Musings on his escape? Interesting.

I suggest the military background could potentially aid in his ability to navigate away from the CS, going N to cemetery & from there his options can be one of a few which we’ve already discussed. He is more used to navigating difficult terrain & is more likely to have knowledge & experience at avoiding detection, etc. He’s not just an average IN person walking through a muddy field or along a road with patches of trees/cover available for hiding. He’s been trained to avoid being seen, avoid being shot & knows how to take cover. I have a feeling that once he was seen, he stopped using 300N as his primary path. Could you imagine what might have unfolded had all P alleged events happened except for SC driving by that day?

Assumption & speculation & JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

I'm searching for more sources for the time the girls were dropped off. Since this info revolves around the murders, I'm assuming Cecil's report doesn't count other steps she took that day.
Here's what I have so far:
[snips]
"Kelsi said she didn’t learn her sister was missing until 4 p.m. She had dropped the girls off at 1:40 p.m."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/grandma-ill-be-okay-libby-germans-grandmother-recalls-day-girls-disappeared-on-delphi-trail/

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"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":

1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[FrostedGlass]

I suggest the military background could potentially aid in his ability to navigate away from the CS, going N to cemetery & from there his options can be one of a few which we’ve already discussed. He is more used to navigating difficult terrain & is more likely to have knowledge & experience at avoiding detection, etc. He’s not just an average IN person walking through a muddy field or along a road with patches of trees/cover available for hiding. He’s been trained to avoid being seen, avoid being shot & knows how to take cover. I have a feeling that once he was seen, he stopped using 300N as his primary path. Could you imagine what might have unfolded had all P alleged events happened except for SC driving by that day?

Assumption & speculation & JMO

Given all that, I can't imagine him going out on the road, all muddy and bloody, in the first place.

There is a lesser known trail that runs along the north bank and ends right near the cemetery with a deep ravine going down to the crime scene. He possibly could have left that way but he would still end up the area of the 501/505 trailhead.
MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, pay attention to the state’s timeline….don’t pay any attention to my client’s changing timeline.

You’re getting sleepier & sleepier…..

"It doesn’t matter, it’s over."

 

[FrostedGlass]

IMO he's talking about the private drive without saying it.
[snip]
"The session ended with two questions from the jury. The first question asked if there was a way bridge to get where the girls were without crossing the bridge, and Holeman answered, “There’s an unapproved way.” Ultimately, Holeman said everyone was on the bridge."

Delphi Murders trial: Day 8 live blog

The trial of Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen continues Saturday. Follow WISH-TV's live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Bergmann]

Yes, pay attention to the state’s timeline

Yes because the stated timeline is central to their case, the reason why we are in court.

And it’s the one that has to be proven.

The state needs to prove it and so far, changes or not, they have failed to do this imo. Even worse, state witnesses have not only not evidenced the states timeline their testimony contradicts it.

The state has a big problem here.

JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

And he advised his wife to get a lawyer but not himself. Very odd.

I wonder if he thought if he asked for a lawyer they would say "ok, the questioning is over we are placing you under arrest" maybe he thought his goose was already cooked. I watch a lot of interrogation videos and in a lot of them, when the perp is being questioned and then ask for a lawyer, the cops then say "well we can't ask you any more questions but we are placing you under arrest" but that is when the police have enough evidence to arrest the person already without the interview it seems.

 

[abams]

IMO he's talking about the private drive without saying it.
[snip]
"The session ended with two questions from the jury. The first question asked if there was a way bridge to get where the girls were without crossing the bridge, and Holeman answered, “There’s an unapproved way.” Ultimately, Holeman said everyone was on the bridge."

Delphi Murders trial: Day 8 live blog

The trial of Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen continues Saturday. Follow WISH-TV's live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

Jurors are asking some great, pertinent questions.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And he advised his wife to get a lawyer but not himself. Very odd.

Right, to me that shows RA is not so innocent as to how the law actually works after all. MOO

EBM: Spelling

 

[INfisherman]

Given all that, I can't imagine him going out on the road, all muddy and bloody, in the first place.

There is a lesser known trail that runs along the north bank and ends right near the cemetery with a deep ravine going down to the crime scene. He possibly could have left that way but he would still end up the area of the 501/505 trailhead.
MOO

Hiding in plain sight. No one ever expects the obvious - walk right by a snake if you’re not looking for a snake. He avoids everything if he crosses 300N & circles around behind the Meyers farm & HH. Besides, he was allegedly spotted once & nothing happened. Who’s going to stop just seeing a man walking through a field who is too far away to see the condition of clothes? If winter wheat is in those fields, he just "takes cover" like he’s been trained.

"Wait, is that someone out there? Oh well gotta get to the store." Typical driver.

Yes, it’s bold but so was doing what he allegedly did prior to that.

Such a shame no one will likely ever know the truth, barring a miracle.

JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Just some thoughts...

More incriminating statements made and even made after RA was told he was free to leave the interview! First at the search with his double, "It doesn't matter. It's over".

Now in the subsquent interview, “I don’t care, kill me, I want to die anyway.” and “You have all the evidence, just arrest me.”

Then he says to a trooper (not sure if this was at the search or interview?) when the trooper told RA he wasn't a bad person, “What kind of good person would kill two girls?”

I'm flabbergasted, all that before he was arrested! It boogles the mind why the man never pled guilty. Was he not listened to by his representation when they were first appointed?

I'd have to consider that may be the case here. That and what we heard from ISP Harshman at the 3 day hearings, RA's family may have played a role in a man wanting to admit his guilt then chosing not to, for fear of losing his family's love. What a travesty that would be. AJMO

I look forward to hearing what else RA has said and written expressing his wishes to plea guilty. It's going to be staggering, 61+ times! Why has his team of lawyers and it seems his family ignored his wanting to do the right thing? I don't understand it and I don't believe the jury will either. Again, AJMO

He sounds like a deeply unhappy person. He has an aura around him of unhappiness and it makes me wonder why? On paper his life was pretty good. Wife, daughter, homeowner, disposable funds for beer and playing pool. Decent job. Presumably decent relationship with his parents though I dont think we've heard much about his father but if he was visiting his mom that day and she has been in court they must have at least an OK relationship. Of course maybe not. All MOO.

What was going through Richard Allen's mind? Is he just deeply depressed and has been for a long time?

 

[INfisherman]

Yes because the stated timeline is central to their case, the reason why we are in court.

And it’s the one that has to be proven.

The state needs to prove it and so far, changes or not, they have failed to do this imo. Even worse, state witnesses have not only not evidenced the states timeline their testimony contradicts it.

The state has a big problem here.

JMO

We shall see. As good old Andy likes to say, "We’ll just have to take your word for it then."

The juror’s shall decide, regardless of my opinions.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I suggest the military background could potentially aid in his ability to navigate away from the CS, going N to cemetery & from there his options can be one of a few which we’ve already discussed. He is more used to navigating difficult terrain & is more likely to have knowledge & experience at avoiding detection, etc. He’s not just an average IN person walking through a muddy field or along a road with patches of trees/cover available for hiding. He’s been trained to avoid being seen, avoid being shot & knows how to take cover. I have a feeling that once he was seen, he stopped using 300N as his primary path. Could you imagine what might have unfolded had all P alleged events happened except for SC driving by that day?

Assumption & speculation & JMO

Yes, and that road is very narrow. Almost too narrow for 2 cars to pass easily (East and West) IMO. The fact that SC saw him so closely does not surprise me at all. Her testimony was a win for the State even though Baldwin tried to overtalk and misconstrue her words.

She is another key witness so far that has stood her ground against the Defense attacks, along with the State's tool mark expert and the other eye witness from the MHB - BB.

SC said, she saw the man (BG) there at that time and he was muddy and bloody. It has been her statement the entire time.

MOO