Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[girlhasnoname]

Day 14 in #Justice4Abby&Libby​

 

[Betty P]

I’m not sure we are going to get beyond “probably guilty” based on State’s evidence we have seen so far. I think it’s going to take a leap for the jury to review the many smaller pieces of evidence that all “just about add up” rather than have one big CSI style piece of evidence that tells them guilty BARD.
I’m disappointed in the digital evidence I’ve heard so far and hope there is more on that to come. What can they tell us about the data from RAs lost phone? Surely they can carry out some analysis without the physical phone. And why didn’t they have an expert provide a height estimate of BG. At very least could have ruled out very tall people.
I personally think RA was severely mentally ill at the time he made the confessions. Doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but confessing that many times, including some that seem fairly disorganised rings alarm bells for me. I think the jury may see it the same if they are all over the place.
I’m anxious at this point, because I am at probably did it, which means to me a guilty man may walk.

JMO, I think it’s possible that many of the later confessions were done at the suggestion of his defense attorneys. Once his early, spontaneous confessions happened, it’s possible someone came up with the idea of having RA follow it up with many odd confessions to make it seem the first ones were just silly ramblings, too.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

so any thoughts on what P could have left?

 

[rez125]

so any thoughts on what P could have left?

Their whole paper thin case now hinges on these confessions. That's all they've got left.

 

[sunshineray]

so any thoughts on what P could have left?

??? not sure what you mean?

 

[JAY CLUCK]

Their whole paper thin case now hinges on these confessions. That's all they've got left.

imagine being stuck in that blacked out courtroom with nothing but solitary confinement confessions and here comes Rozzi with his gloves on. Ouch! Someone’s getting Stromboli’d!

 

[rez125]

imagine being stuck in that blacked out courtroom with nothing but solitary confinement confessions and here comes Rozzi with his gloves on. Ouch! Someone’s getting Stromboli’d!

These confessions would hold more weight if they were done in the Oct 22 interrogations. Instead you've got RA saying he didn't do it 25 times.

Because anyone who had access to discovery will know these intimate details...

 

[girlhasnoname]

Their whole paper thin case now hinges on these confessions. That's all they've got left.

I appreciate that what you stated is your opinion. IMO the State has enough to send little Ricky to the big house for the rest of his days. I will be thrilled when this trial is over and RA is sent to prison, hopefully never to be heard from or seen again.

I know that's asking a lot. I'm sure R&B and Company are busy, even as I type this, setting up 'deals' with the media to speak about their dedication and hardships defending RA.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Sounded like not very. RA was the one who started to get vulgar with his language first, wasn't he. He could have left at anytime, he knew that, he even told his wife, just call a lawyer. But RA didn't follow his own advice and knowledge of his Miranda rights, wonder why?

He wanted to know exactly how much LE knew. That need to know is what got him in that room again with Holeman and kept him there even though he could have stopped speaking period. LE is allowed to 'lie' or state untrue information during an interview with a suspect.

 

[girlhasnoname]

imagine being stuck in that blacked out courtroom with nothing but solitary confinement confessions and here comes Rozzi with his gloves on. Ouch! Someone’s getting Stromboli’d!

Rozzi doesn't impress me much, he seems to take his vigorous defense of his client a step too far...right into the bullying stage. Kind of like how some people think LE bullied RA.

JMO

 

[JAY CLUCK]

Rozzi doesn't impress me much, he seems to take his vigorous defense of his client a step too far...right into the bullying stage. Kind of like how some people think LE bullied RA.

JMO

you’re not on the jury though.

 

[m00c0w]

I’m a long time listener of TMS but they are also reporting through their own lens. The issue we have is content creators are trying to extract the most important components of a day into a 90ish min summary. So people are reporting what they think are the key takeaways and this can be vastly different between them. And then of course they overlay their own analysis.
MOO

MS is slightly biased towards pro-guilt. I can tolerate slight biases one way or the other. These other folks are literally making up things to get outraged about, and viewers are just lapping it up and begging for more.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

There’s a science behind polling and particularly what can be inferred from the sample used, I’d be interested as to what is intended with the result.

Will definitely be interesting to see if the masses voting as guilty were right all along. I’m honestly surprised so few votes going for NG. Will be interesting to see if the percentages shift noticeably as D gets their turn.

I’m still on the fence. I see a ton of coincidences going against RA but I was honestly hoping for more from the state. Jurors can be difficult to predict. I’ve seen convictions here in IN allegedly based on much less but I could be mistaken, as I didn’t follow those cases as closely. I’m interested to see what the D does when the ball is in their court.

 

[loveplace]

you’re not on the jury though.

None of us are.

 

[FromGermany1]

I’m not sure we are going to get beyond “probably guilty” based on State’s evidence we have seen so far. I think it’s going to take a leap for the jury to review the many smaller pieces of evidence that all “just about add up” rather than have one big CSI style piece of evidence that tells them guilty BARD.
I’m disappointed in the digital evidence I’ve heard so far and hope there is more on that to come. What can they tell us about the data from RAs lost phone? Surely they can carry out some analysis without the physical phone. And why didn’t they have an expert provide a height estimate of BG. At very least could have ruled out very tall people.
I personally think RA was severely mentally ill at the time he made the confessions. Doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but confessing that many times, including some that seem fairly disorganised rings alarm bells for me. I think the jury may see it the same if they are all over the place.
I’m anxious at this point, because I am at probably did it, which means to me a guilty man may walk.

It was the first time, RA got caught for a felony like a double murder. What if he had burdened his conscience with more crimes over the years, and in 2022 couldn't longer bear the load. After 5,5 years of fearing to be discovered as the BG, whose full body image wandered around the states (maybe around the world?), perhaps he was tired of paying attention to his surrounding all the time. Well, he first denied to be the BG, but he didn't last long. Maybe, he also felt to be watched too thoroughly to have the chance for a new crime, which he needed for his mental satisfaction and secret fight against his depressions. So, without a new experience of success (a further crime) maybe he couldn't longer endure the condition, he was in, and began to confess endless. "It was over" for him now. - All my thoughts and speculation.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

None of us are.

That’s part of the point. Our opinions don’t matter.

The other is though they don’t have our preconceived, plugged in biases

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m a long time listener of TMS but they are also reporting through their own lens. The issue we have is content creators are trying to extract the most important components of a day into a 90ish min summary. So people are reporting what they think are the key takeaways and this can be vastly different between them. And then of course they overlay their own analysis.
MOO

Agree, I listen/read the transcripts to at least 3 sources reporting on this case just for the very reason you stated. I don't just get my info on the case details from TMS.

They need to stop talking over each other so much. Like BM does with his wife from the DD, although I find him much less respectful of her than K&A of each other on TMS.

JMO

 

[rez125]

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I'm looking forward to them discrediting the state's witnesses's testimony.

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm sorry, I just see absolutely no dealings between RA and LE where LE looks like a bunch of vicious thugs and RA looks like some innocent lamb. RA doesn't react in a normal way for someone involved in the case of the murder of two children. The D tried to make him sound like some sort of boy scout for calling himself in, but to my knowledge, he didn't do that until Feb 16. He saw young girls on a trail the same day young girls disappeared and then were found murdered, and he said he didn't get a good look at those girls on the trail. How did he know two of those girls weren't the victims? He seems to have taken his time calling and I'm not seeing "boy scout" in that, I'm sorry. I don't see boy scout in his sometimes flippant tone during investigations or his sometimes aggressive "Rambo"-like approach at moments.

RA looks guilty. I believe RA is BG and guilty. Will the jury think so? Who knows at this point? But I do know false confessions don't contain information only the killer would know. If the information's accessible in discovery, that's not actually information only the killer would know. But we'll have to hear the content, timing, and circumstances of all these incriminating statements and weigh them accordingly.

Doesn't look like it was the best day for the P with their witness re: RA's gun basically saying you can't count out other guns and it's not an exact match. There's nothing that strange about this idea of not being able to count out other guns. This isn't DNA. It doesn't have the precision, everyone's aware of that. It's a shame, though, the P couldn't frame the questioning so it had more of a slant towards what the analysis did show than what it didn't. "There's a strong likelihood this bullet came from RA's gun" sounds plenty better than the way it's noted in MSM.

 

[Bergmann]

Will definitely be interesting to see if the masses voting as guilty were right all along. I’m honestly surprised so few votes going for NG. Will be interesting to see if the percentages shift noticeably as D gets their turn.

I’m still on the fence. I see a ton of coincidences going against RA but I was honestly hoping for more from the state. Jurors can be difficult to predict. I’ve seen convictions here in IN allegedly based on much less but I could be mistaken, as I didn’t follow those cases as closely. I’m interested to see what the D does when the ball is in their court.

‘99% who expressed a preference said their cats preferred it’.

You can only interpret a result by looking at the sample.