CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Loyaloil]

I’d be able to find what my kids wore through process of elimination. I’d hyperfocus on it as it’s valuable information when searching for signs of them. My daughter in particular has tons of clothes, but when looking through her favorites first, I’d be able to narrow down what she was wearing. I find it so so so odd the mom and stepdad can’t describe the clothing

Not only that I can imagine a 6 year old perhaps dressing themselves but 4 YO???? My 6 YO wouldn’t dress himself if anything he would still have PJs on from night before!

And yes I know ALL kids are different before people start stating the obvious! Regardless, IF as stated by both parents they didn’t lay eyes on the kids properly that morning wouldn’t they both be more likely to still have their PJs on? It’s just all so vague. Vague to the point of worrying tbh.

I still am of the impression as per my post on thread 1 that Lilly was the protector of Jack - right to the end so to speak.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

He does mention they were both in the room and Lilly came in several times and he told them to be quite, and hearing Jack in the kitchen.

He also mentions noticing the boots gone and mom says "we" were calling everywhere and asked him if he heard the kids when they woke up.

"It" could mean anything at this point. He was supposed to watch the kids while she slept and instead fell asleep too. He left the door open/unlocked. He left drugs out. He lost his temper. He invited certain people over. So many things.

All moo

Eta to add Daniel has stated a lot of things he did that morning including running ahead of all the drones and helicopters, screaming as loud as he could, running waste deep in water. He seems to have accomplished a lot in not very much time, yet didn't even see Jack the entire day.

Moo

I'm not sure all of those things (bold by me) were claimed as happening that morning. I had the impression at one time that there was a clarification - anyone know the original post? - that before the police arrived, he did drive the roads and check the culverts, and that the running in water and searching in the woods was with the search party after the cops arrived, perhaps even in the following 1-2 days. It's a lot to do, sure, but if you're panicked about your lost kids, (1) you're probably not remembering time in great detail (minutes could seem like hours) and (2) you probably ARE frantically running in every direction you can think of as you think of it.

 

[Diddian]

Yes I agree - 35 formal interviews suggests there were several people in close contact with the children over the period of interest. A house gathering maybe? JMO.

Maybe, but not necessarily. If you just count those who lived on the property, that is 4. If you add the school bus driver and at least two teachers, that increases the total to 7. If you add whoever answered the call (or picked up the message) about the kids' absence from school on Thursday/Friday, the total becomes 8. Add the mother's extended family (parents, siblings) we do not know how many more are added, but it could raise the total to somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-17. Then, DM's workmates - however many work the same shift he last did, and any of DM's mother's or brother's friends who may have visited at the property recently, and anyone whom either the mother or her partner regularly communicated with by phone or other electronics.

You could easily be up to 35 without a recent house gathering.

 

[iamafiusny]

Not only that I can imagine a 6 year old perhaps dressing themselves but 4 YO???? My 6 YO wouldn’t dress himself if anything he would still have PJs on from night before!

And yes I know ALL kids are different before people start stating the obvious! Regardless, IF as stated by both parents they didn’t lay eyes on the kids properly that morning wouldn’t they both be more likely to still have their PJs on? It’s just all so vague. Vague to the point of worrying tbh.

Unless they went to bed in the clothes from a day or two before.

Or weren't there on Friday at all.

Moo

 

[Belly]

Update: Missing children investigation and search in Pictou County – Waterfront Media Halifax

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“We’re exploring all avenues in this missing persons investigation,” says Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon, Pictou County District RCMP. “We have officers from multiple disciplines dedicated to finding Lilly and Jack, including highly trained RCMP major crime and forensic investigators.”

To date, more than 180 tips have been received from the public, and are being followed up on. Officers have so far identified 35 people for formal interviews as part of the investigation, including community members and those closest to the children. And on May 8 and 9, the RCMP’s Underwater Recovery Team (URT) scoured bodies of water around Lansdowne Station; URT’s two-day operation didn’t uncover any evidence.

“We continue to work day and night on this file,” says S/Sgt. MacKinnon. “Like all Nova Scotians, we want answers, and we want to know what happened to these children.”

Very interesting, the last line. “We want answers and want to know what happened to these children.” Sounds like they are suspicious. Not saying for sure but it alludes to something more…

 

[seasideForest]

Yes at the birthday party lil Lilly screams 5-6 times before an adult addressed it.

Where's this birthday party video? I haven't seen reference to that on here, but it is hard to keep track. I'd like to see it if available. Thanks.

 

[iamafiusny]

Maybe, but not necessarily. If you just count those who lived on the property, that is 4. If you add the school bus driver and at least two teachers, that increases the total to 7. If you add whoever answered the call (or picked up the message) about the kids' absence from school on Thursday/Friday, the total becomes 8. Add the mother's extended family (parents, siblings) we do not know how many more are added, but it could raise the total to somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-17. Then, DM's workmates - however many work the same shift he last did, and any of DM's mother's or brother's friends who may have visited at the property recently, and anyone whom either the mother or her partner regularly communicated with by phone or other electronics.

You could easily be up to 35 without a recent house gathering.

Is there something to them specifying "formal" interview?

It seems like statements from some of those people would have been gathered by now and not need anything more extensive than that.

Moo

 

[Loyaloil]

Unless they went to bed in the clothes from a day or two before.

Or weren't there on Friday at all.

Moo

Yup. Heartbreaking.

 

[MarcieM]

Yup. Heartbreaking.

So true.

 

[Skigh]

Could just be family members, school staff, mum's community members, 35 isn't that many really. Doesn't mean there's 35 potential suspects, they could be 35 interviews for evidence gathering. It will be interesting to see what comes of these though.

A house gathering would go a way to explain why the parents might have still been dozing in bed at 10am though. I can imagine a scenario where they were hungover, kids are making a racket and told to go play outside for a bit. All moo.

I do not know about Canadian police procedures and the difference between a formal and informal interview. My immediate thoughts were that people such as school staff would not be formally interviewed. I was thinking of formal interviews being given to people the police think might have more information about the how and why of the children being missing.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Dbm

 

[iamafiusny]

I'm not sure all of those things (bold by me) were claimed as happening that morning. I had the impression at one time that there was a clarification - anyone know the original post? - that before the police arrived, he did drive the roads and check the culverts, and that the running in water and searching in the woods was with the search party after the cops arrived, perhaps even in the following 1-2 days. It's a lot to do, sure, but if you're panicked about your lost kids, (1) you're probably not remembering time in great detail (minutes could seem like hours) and (2) you probably ARE frantically running in every direction you can think of as you think of it.

Well it would have to be after the search party arrived if hes running ahead of drones and helicopters.

Plus the woods have been described as a mess from a storm, it sounds difficult to do things as he describes.

I'm curious if he was wet or lost his voice at any point - it didn't seem so in any interviews I watched.

Moo

 

[Belly]

Not only that I can imagine a 6 year old perhaps dressing themselves but 4 YO???? My 6 YO wouldn’t dress himself if anything he would still have PJs on from night before!

And yes I know ALL kids are different before people start stating the obvious! Regardless, IF as stated by both parents they didn’t lay eyes on the kids properly that morning wouldn’t they both be more likely to still have their PJs on? It’s just all so vague. Vague to the point of worrying tbh.

I still am of the impression as per my post on thread 1 that Lilly was the protector of Jack - right to the end so to speak.

This! It’s odd they can’t describe the 4 year olds clothes. I’d be more likely to be unable to describe the 6 year olds… just due to the fact 6 year olds can dress themselves reasonably appropriately. But to not even recall what he went to bed in and say “possibly pjs that look like this” and the fact his day clothes are unknown. That fact completely baffles me.

 

[Fruit]

I'm curious if he was wet or lost his voice at any point - it didn't seem so in any interviews I watched.

Interesting.

 

[AcerPacer]

Is there something to them specifying "formal" interview?

It seems like statements from some of those people would have been gathered by now and not need anything more extensive than that.

Moo

My thoughts too on this word "formal"

Please can any of our Canadian sleuthers advise on RCMP usual protocol and wording?

Now that we are 14 days "missing", would statements and interviews not have been taken from anyone who had regular contact with the children (teachers, bus driver, neighbours, shopkeeper etc) very soon into the investigation and that information collated to further piece together the timeline?
Would 35 "formal" interviewees not be people who RCMP feel have more insightful information to give and the word formal perhaps mean they are not possibly giving this information willingly already?

I don't know!

JMO MOO IMO etc

 

[Belly]

I do not know about Canadian police procedures and the difference between a formal and informal interview. My immediate thoughts were that people such as school staff would not be formally interviewed. I was thinking of formal interviews being given to people the police think might have more information about the how and why of the children being missing.

I’ve been interviewed a few times. Very similar to US. For formal they state time, location and have you spell your name for the tape and then they ask you questions. They write in a notebook at the same time as they record you. I was audio recorded in a car, they have it that mobile now. Informal is same idea, only difference is they write it in their notebook and do not record you. They also have the option of you writing out a hand written statement that they may follow up with questions for. But the hand written I’ve only encountered for car accidents I witnessed.

 

[Lucy6226]

I do not know about Canadian police procedures and the difference between a formal and informal interview. My immediate thoughts were that people such as school staff would not be formally interviewed. I was thinking of formal interviews being given to people the police think might have more information about the how and why of the children being missing.

Yeah I'm not familiar with RCMP procedures either. I was thinking along the lines of formal interviews that are recorded to be submitted as evidence. Rather than informal conversations to gather general information. For example, school, friends or family might have raised concerns about individual/s that now need to be recorded formally given the children have not been found having wandered off. Or to recorded conversations they've had with the parents regarding their timeline. All moo, based on experience in the UK.

Is there anyone familiar with RCMP that can confirm when formal interviews might be used?

 

[tlcya]

Is there something to them specifying "formal" interview?

It seems like statements from some of those people would have been gathered by now and not need anything more extensive than that.

Moo

I was thinking perhaps "informal" interviews were conducted on the fly as they encountered people who would be in the geographical area or the children's sphere. A more formal interview might indicate having potential witnesses come to the station to be interviewed in a more formal setting like an interview room with cameras etc rolling.

 

[AIGT]

Well it would have to be after the search party arrived if hes running ahead of drones and helicopters.

Plus the woods have been described as a mess from a storm, it sounds difficult to do things as he describes.

I'm curious if he was wet or lost his voice at any point - it didn't seem so in any interviews I watched.

Moo

Yeah he mentioned yelling until his voice hurt but other than the day he was interviewing while it was actively raining I have noticed that his clothes are extremely clean. To the point where some of it actually looked brand new.

He also mentioned in an interview that he was searching the first day and then did one of his follow ups by saying something to the effect of “that’s why I wasn’t around much the first day”. I thought it was odd he seemed to feel that people would’ve noticed he wasn’t around much that day. I also can’t see RCMP just letting him run through the woods all day or even at all once they decided to call K9 which appears to be pretty early in the day.

 

[AIGT]

Is there something to them specifying "formal" interview?

It seems like statements from some of those people would have been gathered by now and not need anything more extensive than that.

Moo

In my experience this likely encompasses anything from them just seeking out someone who may have info or who contacts them with potential info and taking a statement all the way to sitting down with someone who could be involved, advising them of their rights and conducting a 4 hour, on camera interview.