CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Andromeda]

Something that has stuck in my craw about Lilly and Jack and it has to do with the mention of only one backpack. Two kids, two sets of boots, one fully dressed (that we know of) one backpack. Then I wondered, would Jack have to have one for school, too? Yes. Pre-primary FAQ: Program Overview | Education and Early Childhood Development

Where in the house were their school backpacks kept? In their rooms? By the door?

It could be Lilly grabbed her back to go hiking. But the DM has repeatedly said they’re like best friends and do everything together. So, why wouldn’t he grab his own backpack to go hiking and to store his own treasures, too? Assuming it’s still in the house because it doesn’t seem to have any relevance in the reporting.

I’m wondering, what if the kids were carried out and their boots were packed into Lilly’s backpack? Why no fresh tracks on Friday safe a single print?

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

IMO/MOO, this is a calculating woman.

Generally speaking, the difference between an Amber Alert and a broadcast intrusive alert is on whom does the focus of police, investigators and the public at large reside. (abductor or vulnerable missing person). Other than that, the crisis is pretty much communicated the same way, except, aside from having to meet the criteria for an Amber Alert, the reach is more appropriate to the radius of the investigation.

What is an Amber Alert?​

The Amber Alert system provides the public with immediate and up-to-date information about a child abduction via widespread broadcasts on television, radio and wireless devices, and solicits the public’s assistance with the safe and swift return of an abducted child.

How is an Amber Alert initiated?​

In Canada, only law enforcement can issue an Amber Alert. They are sent out through the Alert Ready emergency alert system, reaching Canadians through several mediums (cellphone, television, radio).

What is a broadcast intrusive alert?​

A broadcast intrusive (BI) alert system is a component of Canada’s emergency communication infrastructure designed to reach the public instantly and indiscriminately in times of crisis.

How is a BI report disseminated?​

BI alert systems leverage several communication channels:

• Radio and television broadcasts (Emergency alerts interrupt programming to deliver urgent warnings. This ensures that listeners and viewers receive the alert in real time.)
• Digital displays (Road signs, transit screens and other electronic displays can be used to warn motorists and pedestrians of imminent threats.)
• Wireless alerts (Mobile phones receive emergency alerts, allowing people on the move to stay informed.)

Two children in Nova Scotia are missing. Why wasn't an Amber Alert sent out?

The search for Lily and Jack Sullivan missing in Pictou County entered a fourth day on Monday morning.

www.saltwire.com

If one is covering for the other and if I had to pick which one, I’d say DM is a doing his darnest to mimic MBMs explanation, also filling in some blanks. He’s done most of the talking but he’s not very convincing. JMO

 

[iamafiusny]

Something that has stuck in my craw about Lilly and Jack and it has to do with the mention of only one backpack. Two kids, two sets of boots, one fully dressed (that we know of) one backpack. Then I wondered, would Jack have to have one for school, too? Yes. Pre-primary FAQ: Program Overview | Education and Early Childhood Development

Where in the house were their school backpacks kept? In their rooms? By the door?

It could be Lilly grabbed her back to go hiking. But the DM has repeatedly said they’re like best friends and do everything together. So, why wouldn’t he grab his own backpack to go hiking and to store his own treasures, too? Assuming it’s still in the house because it doesn’t seem to have any relevance in the reporting.

I’m wondering, what if the kids were carried out and their boots were packed into Lilly’s backpack? Why no fresh tracks on Friday safe a single print?

JMO

It could have been a personable backpack and not her school bag.

But a clever poster pointed out that Daniel stressed it's bright whitness so if Lilly had a bag she liked to bring with her often for play would it still be so white?

There should be some sign of them if they wandered off.

Moo

 

[Sailor Bug]

Further to my post in #200, I want to address IMO/MOO, “calculating” behaviour.

Most of us are parents and all of us have been kids.

When the shtf and the culprit doesn’t want to get caught, but they are thisclose to experiencing armageddon, what would they do if they thought they could get away with it? Blame it on someone else.

When the shtf and they are caught up in the storm, what do they do? Spread the blame (Everybody was doing it. “We” thought, “we all…". So-n-so said.)

jmo

You raise a good point Andromeda with using the words "we heard" instead of 'I heard" Using the words "we heard" could possibly show distancing or shifting responsibility or possible deception. JMO

 

[iamafiusny]

You raise a good point Andromeda with using the words "we heard" instead of 'I heard" Using the words "we heard" could possibly show distancing or shifting responsibility or possible deception. JMO

I did have a wonder if it was distancing behavior in saying they never saw Jack.

Maybe whatever happened happened to him first or involved him more in some way.

Moo

 

[MarcieM]

Something that has stuck in my craw about Lilly and Jack and it has to do with the mention of only one backpack. Two kids, two sets of boots, one fully dressed (that we know of) one backpack. Then I wondered, would Jack have to have one for school, too? Yes. Pre-primary FAQ: Program Overview | Education and Early Childhood Development

Where in the house were their school backpacks kept? In their rooms? By the door?

It could be Lilly grabbed her back to go hiking. But the DM has repeatedly said they’re like best friends and do everything together. So, why wouldn’t he grab his own backpack to go hiking and to store his own treasures, too? Assuming it’s still in the house because it doesn’t seem to have any relevance in the reporting.

I’m wondering, what if the kids were carried out and their boots were packed into Lilly’s backpack? Why no fresh tracks on Friday safe a single print?

JMO

And being they were going to say that the kids wondered away, the boots had to be missing...

 

[MistyWaters]

Further to my post in #200, I want to address IMO/MOO, “calculating” behaviour.

Most of us are parents and all of us have been kids.

When the shtf and the culprit doesn’t want to get caught, but they are thisclose to experiencing armageddon, what would they do if they thought they could get away with it? Blame it on someone else.

When the shtf and they are caught up in the storm, what do they do? Spread the blame (Everybody was doing it. “We” thought, “we all…". So-n-so said.)

jmo

Excellent point, the blame game was the theme of the entire explanation IMO - the sliding door not making a noise, children should’ve known better than go outside unsupervised, etc, During her interview - not a direct quote - she also said she asked Daniel if he had heard the kids, maybe blaming him for not paying attention to his responsibility of listening for them?

One thing I wonder about is what is their respective ages. Is there a large gap, it doesn’t seem like it but it’s impossible to guess accurately.

JMO

 

[Skigh]

I'm starting to wonder about that also. Maybe they headed off to school and something happened up the road. That could be why the boyfriend took off in his car to go looking for them. IMO

I think they would have been tracked by the dogs had they walked down the road as well.as seen by other road users.

 

[MarcieM]

Would also be interested to know - If they hadn’t notified the school Friday, did the school attempt to contact the mom as they do when a child is not present and the parents haven’t notified in advance. And, if that is the case what time(s) did the school call and how does that line up with the 911 call. Hypothetically there could be a situation whee something happened and they told the school they were sick Thursday but then forgot to do it Friday and after a couple missed calls from the school realized they have to put a report in to police quick before the school does. Obviously complete hypothetical and avenues/timelines the police would’ve already put together but just a thought.

True. I was thinking if when either parent called Thursday morning, did they mark them absent Friday too already knowing that the children wouldn't be there then either...

 

[AIGT]

Excellent point, the blame game was the theme of the entire explanation IMO - the sliding door not making a noise, children should’ve known better than go outside unsupervised, etc, During her interview - not a direct quote - she also said she asked Daniel if he had heard the kids, maybe blaming him for not paying attention to his responsibility of listening for them?

One thing I wonder about is what is their respective ages. Is there a large gap, it doesn’t seem like it but it’s impossible to guess accurately.

JMO

I believe he is 33 and she is 29.

 

[Andromeda]

In my quest to find something specific I read about whether the kids were called in sick to school on Thursday and Friday, (Friday being the day in question) because I recall the early reporting being vague about this.

This linked article/quote reinforces why I believe DM and MBM were not physically together anymore (or were on a break) when the kids went missing. He is very clear and confident about the kids school attendance and overall physical health in this quote. But IMO, it sounds like he was not around before Friday because Lilly was off Thursday with a cough, too. It’s as if he didn’t know about the kids’ absenteeism the day before. I’m guessing maybe because when he was fact finding i.e., what did she mean they’re not in the house/it’s Friday, why weren’t they in school, etc., it was only about Friday (kids missing) not anything before then.

No doubt investigators will have asked him about his schedule that week, where he was and with whom.
JMO/MOO

Posted May 5th/Edited May 5th

"Martell said Jack is in pre-primary and Lilly is in primary. He said they were not at school on Friday because Lilly had a cough."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7526454

 

[thispersonj]

I think there is no doubt BOTH of them concocted a story to blatantly admit their negligence in parenting, ensuring the details correlated.

So the question becomes WHY would they give such a suspicious account because surely they were smart enough to realize their explanation would attract blame upon themselves. IMO that’s the puzzling mystery.

I know this was discussed a bit yesterday but, I've been thinking about this SO DANG MUCH.

All heavily IMO: It's really the most innocence-supporting aspect of the whole case. They don't seem like masterminds. Plus, they spend a bunch of air time in their media interviews compensating for this by stating their rules and caution about outdoor play.

I'm really hesitant to share my theories about why they would have done this (if the story is concocted) as they seem ridiculous even to me.

Edited to add: By "this" in my last sentence, I mean, concocting a story that includes questionable parenting practices, to put that lightly.

 

[katydid23]

Jack has short, blond hair and was wearing blue dinosaur boots. Martell said he had not seen Jack on Friday morning, but believed he was wearing a brown shirt and pants with a pull-up diaper underneath. Stepfather calls for expanded search in case of 2 missing Nova Scotia children | Globalnews.ca

That^^^^ sentence did worry me----Martell saying he had 'not seen him on Friday morning' seemed odd since they live in a small trailer home.

In my experience, toddlers and very young children were usually up and awake by 6 or 7 am. I didn't necessarily have to get fully out of bed and up myself every morning by that time---but I did have to have face to face conversations enough to help them get morning snacks and activities long enough for me to finish my rest. But I would see what they managed to put on that morning or if they were just staying in their pj's.

But I do think it is odd that a 4 yr old boy never saw his parents face to face that morning---never walked into their bedroom to see them or the baby, or to ask for breakfast or to ask about school or anything.

 

[teeby]

I think a lot of the "it seems weird that..." stuff depends on the family/household/child dynamics. Is the kitchen/rest of the house childproofed? Can the kids dress and feed themselves? Do they get into stuff? Will they seek out their parents in the morning if they need something? We sometimes have these lazy mornings where everybody sleeps in and the parents stay in bed chilling for a while, and I've got one kid who will wake up and start reading and come downstairs when he gets hungry; one kid who will come in and snuggle; and one kid that we have to get up when he gets up because he'll break something or try to escape out the front door. None of my kids will feed themselves breakfast but my sister's kids will wake up at 5am, get a bowl of cereal and play nicely for an hour, and then go wake their parents up when they get bored. If the house is appropriately childproofed and the kids are pretty chill and will get help if they need it, I don't think dozing in the next room for a while is awful. 10am seems really late to me but maybe they tend to sleep in and it's not super late for them?

That said, the timeline of a few days off school before they go missing combined with the things the police are saying makes me question if any of the story is true at all. :/

 

[MistyWaters]

And being they were going to say that the kids wondered away, the boots had to be missing...

I’m still puzzled why they couldn’t have fabricated a more believable story. We slept in a bit, baby who sleeps in the same room was fussing all night, woke up late and realized the house was silent which was very odd, kids are always early risers and usually wake us up, checked the kids beds and both were empty, panic set in, noticed their boots missing, gone. Isn’t this the general theme of every missing children movie or book known to mankind?

 

[teeby]

In my quest to find something specific I read about whether the kids were called in sick to school on Thursday and Friday, (Friday being the day in question) because I recall the early reporting being vague about this.

This linked article/quote reinforces why I believe DM and MBM were not physically together anymore (or were on a break) when the kids went missing. He is very clear and confident about the kids school attendance and overall physical health in this quote. But IMO, it sounds like he was not around before Friday because Lilly was off Thursday with a cough, too. It’s as if he didn’t know about the kids’ absenteeism the day before. I’m guessing maybe because when he was fact finding i.e., what did she mean they’re not in the house/it’s Friday, why weren’t they in school, etc., it was only about Friday (kids missing) not anything before then.

No doubt investigators will have asked him about his schedule that week, where he was and with whom.

Posted May 5th/Edited May 5th

"Martell said Jack is in pre-primary and Lilly is in primary. He said they were not at school on Friday because Lilly had a cough."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7526454

I think it's possible a reporter said something like "it's Friday, why were they home, don't they go to school?" and he said, "oh, Lilly had a cough so they were home" or something like that.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I’m still puzzled why they couldn’t have fabricated a more believable story. We slept in a bit, realized the house was silent which was very odd, kids are always early risers and usually wake us up, checked the kids beds and both were empty, panic set in, noticed their boots missing, gone. Isn’t this the general theme of every missing children movie or book known to mankind?

Bbm
This would certainly be a more plausible explanation.

 

[AIGT]

If they were lying I find it strange they chose to say the sliding door was closed. Would be much more believable to say the door was open so I called 911 immediately. Could be one of many details that were overlooked or is it possible someone was around the trailer that day (the grandma or someone else) that would’ve disputed the door being open. I know there is only news saying the grandmother had dogs and cats but it could be possible they had animals that would’ve likely escaped had the door been left open so they had to say the door was found closed.

A little bit of a stretch in questions there but having trouble believing their story and at the same time having trouble thinking about why they would choose to lie in the way they did IF they were lying. Purely hypotheticals

 

[iamafiusny]

I think a lot of the "it seems weird that..." stuff depends on the family/household/child dynamics. Is the kitchen/rest of the house childproofed? Can the kids dress and feed themselves? Do they get into stuff? Will they seek out their parents in the morning if they need something? We sometimes have these lazy mornings where everybody sleeps in and the parents stay in bed chilling for a while, and I've got one kid who will wake up and start reading and come downstairs when he gets hungry; one kid who will come in and snuggle; and one kid that we have to get up when he gets up because he'll break something or try to escape out the front door. None of my kids will feed themselves breakfast but my sister's kids will wake up at 5am, get a bowl of cereal and play nicely for an hour, and then go wake their parents up when they get bored. If the house is appropriately childproofed and the kids are pretty chill and will get help if they need it, I don't think dozing in the next room for a while is awful. 10am seems really late to me but maybe they tend to sleep in and it's not super late for them?

That said, the timeline of a few days off school before they go missing combined with the things the police are saying makes me question if any of the story is true at all. :/

I agree completely with all your experiences. I've had similar.

There are a lot of logical reasons parents might be in bed. Maybe they were getting sick if Lilly was.

But it all flies out the widow when they state they didn't see Jack *at all*. They live in a small trailer, they would have had to have their door shut the entire time to never see him walk by. He didn't need the restroom? A parent didn't need the restroom?

Eta: they were also aware he was in a pull-up that would need checking/changing.

And I don't think 10 could be a usual time for them since the two older kids typically got on a bus for school.

I have seen a few pictures where you can see a little of the inside of the trailer and what I could see did look clean and organized.

Moo

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm starting to wonder about that also. Maybe they headed off to school and something happened up the road. That could be why the boyfriend took off in his car to go looking for them. IMO

Or maybe something happened right after school on the 29th?