CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[musicaljoke]

The original story they both gave was the sliding glass door was silent, they must have gone out back and were playing in the backyard and then went out the back fence.

That was the first statement that came out.

Then they both started talking about abduction, how the kids will talk to and go with anyone, mom talking about amber alert, stepdad talking about closing borders and checking airports.

But with all of that they mixed in messages of the kids being cold, wet, and dirty, checking culverts etc as if they had wandered off.

And neither one of them sent a message in case their abducted children were watching or made a plea for their safe return.

Moo

I think that the plea for safe return is more of an American style thing. So, I certainly wouldn't think less of parents who don't do this. To me it seems like the media is taking advantage of grieving parents when they expect them to make that kind of plea.

 

[thispersonj]

It’s clear why police did not issue an Amber Alert. But since ground search did not locate Lilly and Jack and since no one responded to the vulnerable person alerts, I’m wondering whether there is something to what DM said in an earlier interview, quoted below in the linked Global News article. Maybe he has known all along that the kids would never be found on their property, but knows the direction they were taken and let it slip? MOO/JMO

It’s a two hour drive to the NB border from Landsdowne Station (Tidnish Bridge,) and only 25 minutes to the PEI Link (border/bridge that links NB and PEI). You can see on Google Maps, Cape Jourimain National Wildlife Area is literally in NB at the Link. Not sure about hotels immediately in that vicinity, or if camping was open for the season the first week of May. There is a campground right beside the National Wildlife Area called Cape Tourmentine Beach Campground and they are open now.

It would be so easy for police to take a scent tracker to the trail head of that Wildlife Area and see if they hit.

[…]"He’s calling for the search to be extended to include provincial borders and airports, in case the children were abducted.

“Post any officers they can get, at the New Brunswick border and P.E.I. … and get them out at every airport possible,” he said.[…]"

Stepfather calls for expanded search in case of 2 missing Nova Scotia children | Globalnews.ca

Cape Tormentine Beach Campground - Camp with Us
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First of all, wow. And also, yes.

IMO, he does say odd, premonition-y statements. I keep thinking LE will find a pull up or backpack nearby.

 

[AIGT]

DM knew the children were in school early in the week and he didn’t mention the name of the bus driver as someone who would prove it,

Common sense is not a charter right. It’s goes for any legal matter - nobody can legally speak (or testify) on behalf another adult. What you’re expecting is that DM would publicly incriminate a 3rd party to publicly clear himself, if he had the opportunity. If he’s aware of somebody who can provide an alibi, he needs to be talking to LE, not the media. What if that person has no intention to state under oath what DM expects him to say? What if he’s told DM one thing and LE another because he fearful of reprisal? No way is the media going to be stuck in the middle. They’re only interested in what an interviewee has to say about themselves, and not speak for 3rd parties.

He can talk about polygraphs and drug testing all he wants but did you notice he hasn’t given the results to the media? So what’s that prove? Nothing.

You might be talking what he says too seriously, IMO he’s just filling air space and he’s not about to give the public the answers, even if he has them.

No, I’ve never once said I expect him to name a third party. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think there is someone else and I don’t think his story is to point in the direction of someone he knows.

You’re arguing against yourself because you’re misunderstanding my points. That’s probably my fault for not being clear enough or posting as if everyone has seen all of my posts.

I agree he should be talking to police if he knows real evidence and not the media. But in my opinion he doesn’t want the police to know the real evidence which is why he was saying things he thought would benefit him in front of the cameras and downplaying things that wouldn’t benefit him.


I’m not taking anything he says seriously for the truth but I’m certainly taking it in and thinking about what make sense/doesn’t make sense/how he could’ve just misspoke etc. just like a lot of people do. And you may disagree but in my opinion there is a lot to think about when watching the interviews.

Im not going to get into what I think about the prospects that a polygraph was actually being flown in for him.

With respect to charter rights, my point was that it would be a violation for the police to tell him what he can say in front of the media.

 

[nitsirk]

"A network of backcountry roads that only the locals know criss-cross rivers and dense forest that’s swarming with blackflies. There’s no cellular service."

ETA note the first image and car without plate. Like Quebec, N.S. only has to have one plate on the car and it is to be fastened to the rear.

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

New Brunswick also only requires one plate

 

[iamafiusny]

No, I’ve never once said I expect him to name a third party. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think there is someone else and I don’t think his story is to point in the direction of someone he knows.

You’re arguing against yourself because you’re misunderstanding my points. That’s probably my fault for not being clear enough or posting as if everyone has seen all of my posts.

I agree he should be talking to police if he knows real evidence and not the media. But in my opinion he doesn’t want the police to know the real evidence which is why he was saying things he thought would benefit him in front of the cameras and downplaying things that wouldn’t benefit him.


I’m not taking anything he says seriously for the truth but I’m certainly taking it in and thinking about what make sense/doesn’t make sense/how he could’ve just misspoke etc. just like a lot of people do. And you may disagree but in my opinion there is a lot to think about when watching the interviews.

Im not going to get into what I think about the prospects that a polygraph was actually being flown in for him.

With respect to charter rights, my point was that it would be a violation for the police to tell him what he can say in front of the media.

I want to know what you think about a polygraph being flown in

 

[MistyWaters]

No, I’ve never once said I expect him to name a third party. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think there is someone else and I don’t think his story is to point in the direction of someone he knows.

You’re arguing against yourself because you’re misunderstanding my points. That’s probably my fault for not being clear enough or posting as if everyone has seen all of my posts.

I agree he should be talking to police if he knows real evidence and not the media. But in my opinion he doesn’t want the police to know the real evidence which is why he was saying things he thought would benefit him in front of the cameras and downplaying things that wouldn’t benefit him.


I’m not taking anything he says seriously for the truth but I’m certainly taking it in and thinking about what make sense/doesn’t make sense/how he could’ve just misspoke etc. just like a lot of people do. And you may disagree but in my opinion there is a lot to think about when watching the interviews.

Im not going to get into what I think about the prospects that a polygraph was actually being flown in for him.

With respect to charter rights, my point was that it would be a violation for the police to tell him what he can say in front of the media.

I also place little stock in anything DM says and I don’t really believe he cares what the public thinks, even though he says he does. If he was able to solve the case it wouldn’t still be unsolved, soon going into the third week, so as far as I’m concerned he has nothing helpful to offer.

I never said the police can tell him what he can say. I said between the media and the police he wouldn’t be allowed to speak on behalf of 3rd parties ie that’s what he can’t say. It’s also possible his media interviews have been edited, that’s not entirely unheard of as it’s not as if they’re broadcast live. I wouldn’t be shocked if the RCMP review all the video prior to the media publications.

IIRC this discussion originally began only because I mentioned the possibility someone had mentioned to MBM they’d noticed the children playing in the yard that morning, which would be a possible reason she seemed to know it occurred without witnessing it, and then why such a person might not be publicly named in the media, if indeed that had occurred. That’s all. My apologies if you were not intending to further that discussion.

 

[ttjo]

No, I’ve never once said I expect him to name a third party. I wouldn’t say that because I don’t think there is someone else and I don’t think his story is to point in the direction of someone he knows.

You’re arguing against yourself because you’re misunderstanding my points. That’s probably my fault for not being clear enough or posting as if everyone has seen all of my posts.

I agree he should be talking to police if he knows real evidence and not the media. But in my opinion he doesn’t want the police to know the real evidence which is why he was saying things he thought would benefit him in front of the cameras and downplaying things that wouldn’t benefit him.


I’m not taking anything he says seriously for the truth but I’m certainly taking it in and thinking about what make sense/doesn’t make sense/how he could’ve just misspoke etc. just like a lot of people do. And you may disagree but in my opinion there is a lot to think about when watching the interviews.

Im not going to get into what I think about the prospects that a polygraph was actually being flown in for him.

With respect to charter rights, my point was that it would be a violation for the police to tell him what he can say in front of the media.

Is he saying he wants everyone to do a polygraph? the reporter says theyre flying someone in to do a polygrah is that on you?
and he says:" not just on me but on everyone".

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6753206

 

[Snoop Sister]

Is he saying he wants everyone to do a polygraph? the reporter says theyre flying someone in to do a polygrah is that on you?
and he says:" not just on me but for everyone".

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6753206

I thought I had read somewhere that the idea of having polygraphed tests done was cancelled? Anyone know …

 

[MistyWaters]

Is he saying he wants everyone to do a polygraph? the reporter says theyre flying someone in to do a polygrah is that on you?
and he says:" not just on me but for everyone".

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6753206

The police might be polygraphing more than just him. But if he’s determining who he wants to be polygraphed, he’d have to hire a private polygrapher as the RCMP are not working for him.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

The police might be polygraphing more than just him. But if he’s determining who he wants to be polygraphed, he’d have to hire a private polygrapher as the RCMP are not working for him.
JMO

Oh I agree. but that changes things to me. To ask for everyone to do one? not just yourself.? Thats not as genuine.

 

[ttjo]

I thought I had read somewhere that the idea of having polygraphed tests done was cancelled? Anyone know …

Oh no doubt it was, especially if he was saying he wants everyone to do one, I bet they didnt even consider it, He wanted one? like hes calling the shots... as if.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Oh no doubt it was, especially if he was saying he wants everyone to do one, I bet they didnt even consider it, He wanted one? like hes calling the shots... as if.

I believe he stated that the RCs were going to fly someone in to do the polygraphs. I will have to back track. It might have been on thread one.

 

[ttjo]

I believe he stated that the RCs were going to fly a someone in to do the polygraphs. I will have to back track. It might have been on thread one.

OH yeah he did say that, he said they'll fly someone in, because he asked for polygraphs. Im sure the RCMP are falling all over themselves to meet his demands.
easy for him to ask when he know's they probably wont do it.
Besides who does he want to polygraph? whos everyone? Allegedly the only 2 people around were him and the mom?

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh I agree. but that changes things to me. To ask for everyone to do one? not just yourself.? Thats not as genuine.

I think movies and TV shows over-emphasize polygraph testing when in reality police don’t rely on it a whole lot for investigative purposes since it’s known to not be totally reliable and it can’t be used in court. So it’s absolutely meaningless bravado to suggest “I have nothing to hide so I’m taking a poly” because the public will never know about the results one way or another. JMO

 

[ttjo]

I think movies and TV shows over-emphasize polygraph testing when in reality police don’t rely on it a whole lot for investigative purposes since it’s known to not be totally reliable and it can’t be used in court. So it’s absolutely meaningless bravado to suggest “I have nothing to hide so I’m taking a poly” because the public will never know about the results one way or another. JMO

exactly , they're about as useful as...??? on a log. (better not quote what my dad used to say) lol

 

[Snoop Sister]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...g-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-8-1.7529741

"They searched every rock, every root. Everything," said Martell. "I've been giving them every detail, everything from my bank account statements to all the information that came off my Google maps."

Daniel Martell, stepfather of Lilly and Jack Sullivan, said he has asked police to give him a polygraph test. He says he's been told it will happen in the next few days.”

 

[iamafiusny]

OH yeah he did say that, he said they'll fly someone in, because he asked for polygraphs. Im sure the RCMP are falling all over themselves to meet his demands.
easy for him to ask when he know's they probably wont do it.
Besides who does he want to polygraph? whos everyone? Allegedly the only 2 people around were him and the mom?

Who's everyone, and what's "it". They think I did "it".

I wonder why his first concern is the other family doesn't believe him.

Moo

 

[ttjo]

I copied the above from early in thread 1. I don’t know how to transfer the post here.

click on this symbol on the top of the post and then hit copy link. That's what someone showed me b/c I didnt know how either.

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[Snoop Sister]

click on this symbol on the top of the post and then hit copy link. That's what someone showed me b/c didnt know how either.

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Thank you

 

[ttjo]

so now im thinking if RCMP told him they were flying someone in, they might have been calling his bluff. I cant see them doing that? They spent so much money on that search, I dont know what they would consider reason to bring one in? I mean other than DM's wish list