CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

Are 911 calls in Canada recorded? Are those calls ever released?

There have been cases in the U.S. of parents of missing children calling the non-emergency line OR driving to the police station to make the report. And in those cases, speculation is they didn't want a recorded call that could become public record. So if someone says, "Well at least they called 911," I get that, because some people actually don't call 911.
Generally, 911 calls here in Canada are considered private. They are recorded. There have been times they’ve been leaked but it’s not common. During an active investigation they wouldn’t be released to the public.
 
“Post any officers they can get, at the New Brunswick border and P.E.I. … and get them out at every airport possible,” he said.


That's interesting to say any Officers they can get. Not some. Like get all Officers over there, away from here.

Moo

I agree. I also believe that’s why the mother left right away. She couldn’t stand being there any longer and needed to distance herself from the whole thing. Imo she’s frightened le will find something that will point fingers directly back to her. She’s running away from the house where her kids disappeared from? No, that’s not normal behavior at all imo. I go back and forth with the stepdad’s involvement. I think he initially went with the mom’s story. But once the heat got turned up she couldn’t take it anymore and had to disappear herself from all of it. Purely moo
 
The original story they both gave was the sliding glass door was silent, they must have gone out back and were playing in the backyard and then went out the back fence.

That was the first statement that came out.

Then they both started talking about abduction, how the kids will talk to and go with anyone, mom talking about amber alert, stepdad talking about closing borders and checking airports.

But with all of that they mixed in messages of the kids being cold, wet, and dirty, checking culverts etc as if they had wandered off.

And neither one of them sent a message in case their abducted children were watching or made a plea for their safe return.

Moo
BBM. I'm curious if an abducted child has ever seen their parent(s) talking to them while they were held captive, or if a parental plea has ever led their captor(s) to release them. I can't think of a case in which this has helped. MOO but something about that being an expected behavior for the parent(s) seems odd to me.
 
[…] If cell phone service is spotty does that mean cell phone footprints would be unlikely?
My understanding is if there are no towers or the tower range is too far, then there is no “hand shake” (contact/ a date and time stamped “footprint” created.) If by spotty you mean a dropped call, or ability to hear/not/can hear again, IMO, there is signal range and your phone is ‘shaking hands’ with a tower creating a footprint. jmo
 
BBM. I'm curious if an abducted child has ever seen their parent(s) talking to them while they were held captive, or if a parental plea has ever led their captor(s) to release them. I can't think of a case in which this has helped. MOO but something about that being an expected behavior for the parent(s) seems odd to me.
I doubt it would help, but feels like something you'd just do. Moo.

But I personally have zero expected behavior in these situations. It must be one of the most traumatic experiences you can have.

For me, it's everything compiled and what parents say or don't say is just a small portion. In this case we have two kids missing school, and one kid not even seen at all by 10am.

Everything becomes suspect after that, for me, personally.

Moo
 
Are 911 calls in Canada recorded? Are those calls ever released?

There have been cases in the U.S. of parents of missing children calling the non-emergency line OR driving to the police station to make the report. And in those cases, speculation is they didn't want a recorded call that could become public record. So if someone says, "Well at least they called 911," I get that, because some people actually don't call 911.

Due to our confidentiality laws, 911 calls are not publicly released. It HAS happened a few times, but they were leaked.
 
My understanding is if there are no towers or the tower range is too far, then there is no “hand shake” (contact/ a date and time stamped “footprint” created.) If by spotty you mean a dropped call, or ability to hear/not/can hear again, IMO, there is signal range and your phone is ‘shaking hands’ with a tower creating a footprint. jmo
You're right about spotty - as long as it pings the tower even for a second there will be a footprint. Theres also a lot of ways they can track where the phone had gone now. If we think about all the apps we have and the terms and conditions that we agree to without reading. A lot of them have data that can store locations regardless of cell service.

In Martells interview he appeared to (unprompted) say they have his phone/ Google maps.
I can’t say for sure if there was an edit and the reporter had said prompted that statement. But in my opinion if unprompted and he’s involved in the disappearance then for him to just say that about Google maps makes me think he had thought about that prior and took steps to make sure his phone or google maps on his phone wouldn’t show anything bad for him (left it at home if he went to go do something bad for example).

The good thing is that when police forensically examine a phone extraction it’s much more than just location data. Like how I mentioned bank statements can show a lot more than people’s realize and put together a profile of someone’s lifestyle, phones obviously can do that in way more depth.

Just for an example of the morning they were reported missing. Police will be able to see any activity on that phone between 8-10 am. Did he unlock his phone at 8am maybe to look at the time when lily cama in and then lock it and it not be used again until 10am? Or was he using his phone that whole time in a way that contradicts the story of being in bed?
 
Clothes flying out the back of pick ups or thrown out the window of vehicles. You find lots of weird stuff in the culverts in rural areas. Who remembers trash clean up day? I certainly do.

I do roadside cleanups routinely year around from rural to urban very rarely are there shirts or a blanket unless there are homeless nearby. The vast majority of roadside litter we pick up is food or drink related.

I find it curious because abduction is a possibility. To interest the Mounties the items must have looked fresh.

These shirts, blanket and water bottle were found "near" Gairloch Road.

Gairloch Road being the scene of two missing children whose scent ends at that road's junction with their driveway.

Imo, the dedication to the search is impressive that the Mounties collected and questioned about the items. Lots of evidence is is collected roadside from fleeing perps or items accidently lost during a hectic spontaneous crime.

Good work by the Mounties, imo. They checked into it and have their evidence if it is found out someone was lurking nearby or had lost the items while in the process of contemplating or carrying out a crime.


all imo
 
I do roadside cleanups routinely year around from rural to urban very rarely are there shirts or a blanket unless there are homeless nearby. The vast majority of roadside litter we pick up is food or drink related.

I find it curious because abduction is a possibility. To interest the Mounties the items must have looked fresh.

These shirts, blanket and water bottle were found "near" Gairloch Road.

Gairloch Road being the scene of two missing children whose scent ends at that road's junction with their driveway.

Imo, the dedication to the search is impressive that the Mounties collected and questioned about the items. Lots of evidence is is collected roadside from fleeing perps or items accidently lost during a hectic spontaneous crime.

Good work by the Mounties, imo. They checked into it and have their evidence if it is found out someone was lurking nearby or had lost the items while in the process of contemplating or carrying out a crime.


all imo
If the school bus goes down that road ,could the items have been dropped by children using the bus or accompanying an adult doing drop off or pick up?
 
Certainly a plea for safe return is done in the U.K and I am pretty sure it is done in other countries too.
Guys, it's not a cultural thing. It's not media predation.

This is an act of parental desperation by someone who is at their wit's end, convinced their child has been abducted. If you believe someone has your baby/babies, and that they still might be alive, and you might be able to reach them through the news, then it's very natural to take what might be your only opportunity to communicate with them.

Not every parent is the same, but if you're already going in front of a camera and you think your kid(s) have been abducted, you're not even going to say something—at least, to the KIDS?

As a parent and an ex-reporter who spent days shadowing parents in this very situation, I find it hard to listen to people suggest this is somehow an unnatural act/behaviour or that it's only prompted by reporters.

Edited to add: This is not aimed at @Skigh 's comment in particular
 
I do roadside cleanups routinely year around from rural to urban very rarely are there shirts or a blanket unless there are homeless nearby. The vast majority of roadside litter we pick up is food or drink related.

I find it curious because abduction is a possibility. To interest the Mounties the items must have looked fresh.

These shirts, blanket and water bottle were found "near" Gairloch Road.

Gairloch Road being the scene of two missing children whose scent ends at that road's junction with their driveway.

Imo, the dedication to the search is impressive that the Mounties collected and questioned about the items. Lots of evidence is is collected roadside from fleeing perps or items accidently lost during a hectic spontaneous crime.

Good work by the Mounties, imo. They checked into it and have their evidence if it is found out someone was lurking nearby or had lost the items while in the process of contemplating or carrying out a crime.


all imo
Many years ago, as I talked to either the sheriff or deputy in my line of work, he said that in certain cases of stolen items (I think maybe burglary), they looked in ditches for paperwork, etc. to have been thrown out within a few miles of the home -- maybe 7. So LE drove all the roads around the crime scene to look for where the criminals had gotten rid of the personalized information they could not use.
 
Her changing her Facebook status to single a day or two after the kids disappeared? . I don't know what that was for or who, but it is so out there that it has to be asked: What was that about?
I don’t know if that is a fact or not. I also don’t use facebook but just a thought. If you block someone and they are no longer on your friend list maybe it automatically removes that relationship connection on your profile?

Regardless, it was discussed here before and linked that the globe called MBM’s phone and a woman who answered told the reporter that the two are no longer in a relationship. So I am not debating the split. If she purposefully changed the status that seems to be sending a message to people she knows. Seems like an odd an immature thing to do if on purpose.

Obviously just in general - the relationship ending 24 hours after the children go missing and are still presumed to be alive is one of the most mind bending things about this case.
 
I don’t know if that is a fact or not. I also don’t use facebook but just a thought. If you block someone and they are no longer on your friend list maybe it automatically removes that relationship connection on your profile?

Regardless, it was discussed here before and linked that the globe called MBM’s phone and a woman who answered told the reporter that the two are no longer in a relationship. So I am not debating the split. If she purposefully changed the status that seems to be sending a message to people she knows. Seems like an odd an immature thing to do if on purpose.

Obviously just in general - the relationship ending 24 hours after the children go missing and are still presumed to be alive is one of the most mind bending things about this case.
fair enough if it ends, but to make a point to change your status maybe thats just weird to me? and youre right Im not sure if its a fact, someone wrote that she reactivated it long enough to change her status, maybe she just has it set on private? break up ...whatever, but to update your status ? thats sayin something. ( to me anyway)
I guess just b/c something seems super odd to me, doesnt mean its odd for others, changing my status would be the last thing on my mind at a time like this unless I was wanting to send a message to someone? even to Daniel.
 
I understand, I should clarify that I dont know this to be a fact about the Facebook, but it did come from someone I consider a reliable source.
I should just say I hope someone is checking that out.
 

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