CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[thispersonj]

Okay, I wouldn’t be shocked if they did but how do you know they never do?

This is one of the many, pretty stringent rules around journalistic integrity in the industry. You do not show your work to your sources, prior to publication. It's drilled into students' heads in j-school. This would invite interference. (My reference is my education and career in journalism.)

That said, I'm sure there are extreme situations we could brainstorm, where public safety trumps a news organization's standards, but this is a pretty standard missing children/kidnapping case. The police could come back after it airs, and ask the news org for copies of their video, I'm sure. And they'd comply, but not prior to publishing. Showing anything beforehand would require an editorial board review and discussion at any news agency worth its salt.

 

[sunshineray]

BBM. I'm curious if an abducted child has ever seen their parent(s) talking to them while they were held captive, or if a parental plea has ever led their captor(s) to release them. I can't think of a case in which this has helped. MOO but something about that being an expected behavior for the parent(s) seems odd to me.

Maybe Jaycee Ducard, Elizabeth Small or Steven Stayner possible could have over the long periods they were kidnapped and held?

 

[tarabull]

I understand, I should clarify that I dont know this to be a fact about the Facebook, but it did come from someone I consider a reliable source.
I should just say I hope someone is checking that out.

Just to be clear all around --- i did not post that link in response to you or anyone at all...
I PROMISE.

TBH - I hadn't read your post, but I will now. You may be onto something. TY for paying attention, it's free.

 

[sunshineray]

Due to our confidentiality laws, 911 calls are not publicly released. It HAS happened a few times, but they were leaked.

But they can be used in court right, if relevant to a prosecution?

 

[MistyWaters]

This is one of the many, pretty stringent rules around journalistic integrity in the industry. You do not show your work to your sources, prior to publication. There are numerous of these rules that are drilled into students' heads in j-school. This would invite interference. (My reference is my education and career in journalism.)

That said, I'm sure there are extreme situations we could brainstorm, where public safety trumps a news organization's standards, but this is a pretty standard missing children/kidnapping case. The police could come back after it airs, and ask the news org for copies of their video, I'm sure. And they'd comply, but not prior to publishing. Showing anything beforehand would require an editorial board review and discussion at any news agency worth its salt.

My point was IMO the RCMP definitely are keenly interested in knowing exactly what DM (or anyone else) is sharing with the media while this investigation is active, journalism rules or not.

 

[sunshineray]

Her changing her Facebook status to single a day or two after the kids disappeared? I don't know what that was for or for who?
It is so out there, that it has to be looked into
It has to be saying something.

Yes I agree and the way it happened, logged on, changed it, logged off. What is says is up for interpretation I suppose. MO

 

[MistyWaters]

But they can be used in court right, if relevant to a prosecution.

Yes but we’d only be reading about it in tweets or a reporters summary illustrated by hand drawn stickman figures.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes I agree and the way it happened, logged on, changed it, logged off. What is says is up for interpretation I suppose. MO

What if the ex closed his FB account? Would that also remove the relationship ie the old adage that people who are not on FB do not exist!

 

[aggiekel2005]

What if the ex closed his FB account? Would that also remove the relationship ie the old adage that people who are not on FB do not exist!

It wouldn't change her relationship status. Rather it just wouldn't list who she was in a relationship with (so it would say "in a relationship" and nothing more opposed to "in a relationship with____"

 

[ttjo]

Yes I agree and the way it happened, logged on, changed it, logged off. What is says is up for interpretation I suppose. MO

I dont think it said anythng, it just went from (whatever it was) to single its like a dropdown menu and you choose whats already there.

 

[branmuffin]

You're right about spotty - as long as it pings the tower even for a second there will be a footprint. Theres also a lot of ways they can track where the phone had gone now. If we think about all the apps we have and the terms and conditions that we agree to without reading. A lot of them have data that can store locations regardless of cell service.

In Martells interview he appeared to (unprompted) say they have his phone/ Google maps.
I can’t say for sure if there was an edit and the reporter had said prompted that statement. But in my opinion if unprompted and he’s involved in the disappearance then for him to just say that about Google maps makes me think he had thought about that prior and took steps to make sure his phone or google maps on his phone wouldn’t show anything bad for him (left it at home if he went to go do something bad for example).

The good thing is that when police forensically examine a phone extraction it’s much more than just location data. Like how I mentioned bank statements can show a lot more than people’s realize and put together a profile of someone’s lifestyle, phones obviously can do that in way more depth.

Just for an example of the morning they were reported missing. Police will be able to see any activity on that phone between 8-10 am. Did he unlock his phone at 8am maybe to look at the time when lily cama in and then lock it and it not be used again until 10am? Or was he using his phone that whole time in a way that contradicts the story of being in bed?

When Suzanne Morphew went missing on Mother's Day in 2020 her husband was suspected of foul play in her absence. LE used the black box from his vehicle, which recorded miles he drove how many times he opened both the driver's door and the passenger door. His vehicle was pretty new so I don't know if that kind of evidence can be extracted from the box in any vehicle DM drove when he was out looking for Lilly and Jack.

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting...from Tuesday

"Nova Scotia RCMP‘s major crime investigators are advising police to return to specific areas around the home of Lilly and Jack Sullivan in a rural hamlet of Pictou County, to try and figure out what happened to the children who went missing without a trace a week and a half ago.

In a news release Tuesday, Nova Scotia RCMP said they have interviewed 35 people, including those closest to the two children, as well as community members. Police said they received and are following up on more than 180 tips from the public.

Local RCMP are being assisted by the Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit, a branch of the Mounties that investigates homicides, suspicious deaths and missing persons cases where foul play is suspected."

(...)

"Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon of the Pictou County District RCMP said in an interview Tuesday that police are executing plans right now based on input from major crime investigators, including re-examining various areas of interest near the trailer where the children were reported missing.

“They may include culverts, wells or areas around the residence that need to be re-looked at,” he said. “It will probably be the third or fourth time.”

Nova Scotia RCMP’s search for missing children re-examining areas around siblings’ home as police plead for tips

Police also interviewed community members and those closest to the children

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[ttjo]

When Suzanne Morphew went missing on Mother's Day in 2020 her husband was suspected of foul play in her absence. LE used the black box from his vehicle, which recorded miles he drove how many times he opened both the driver's door and the passenger door. His vehicle was pretty new so I don't know if that kind of evidence can be extracted from the box in any vehicle DM drove when he was out looking for Lilly and Jack.

did he go out in a vehicle or was he on that red Quad thats in their driveway? The quad makes more sense given the terrain.

 

[Ursa Major]

How far from the house is the sawmill where the stepdad works, does anybody know?

 

[Sarahlou]

did he go out in a vehicle or was he on that red Quad thats in their driveway? The quad makes more sense given the terrain.View attachment 586518

He said "I jumped in my vehicle"

 

[ttjo]

He said "I jumped in my vehicle

So how far could he get with those cars? certainly not into the woods.
or the quad is his vehicle ?
I dont know if we should take his words so literally.

 

[Toniab329]

I don’t know if that is a fact or not. I also don’t use facebook but just a thought. If you block someone and they are no longer on your friend list maybe it automatically removes that relationship connection on your profile?

Regardless, it was discussed here before and linked that the globe called MBM’s phone and a woman who answered told the reporter that the two are no longer in a relationship. So I am not debating the split. If she purposefully changed the status that seems to be sending a message to people she knows. Seems like an odd an immature thing to do if on purpose.

Obviously just in general - the relationship ending 24 hours after the children go missing and are still presumed to be alive is one of the most mind bending things about this case.

I believe, if she had blocked him without purposely changing her status, it would just say "in a relationship" with no name mentioned.

 

[thispersonj]

So how far could he get with those cars? certainly not into the woods.
or the quad is his vehicle ?
I dont know if we should take his words so literally.

"When we noticed that the children were gone, I immediately jumped in the vehicle, surveyed all the areas, [as] many dirt roads, [as] many culverts as I could and waited for the police to get there," Martell told CBC News.

If speaking about an ATV, typically drivers would say "on."
Source: Comparing quoted Google searches: 1) "jumped in my ATV" vs. 2) "jumped on my ATV"

Personally, I never got the impression he was talking about the backyard.

 

[musicaljoke]

BBM. I'm curious if an abducted child has ever seen their parent(s) talking to them while they were held captive, or if a parental plea has ever led their captor(s) to release them. I can't think of a case in which this has helped. MOO but something about that being an expected behavior for the parent(s) seems odd to me.

Indeed, that's why I feel these pleas are the media taking advantage of hurting parents and putting them on display in their deepest agony.

 

[branmuffin]

How posting theories about 2 missing N.S. kids online could land you in legal trouble | Globalnews.ca

A Canadian lawyer says there could be legal implications for those posting unsubstantiated theories online about the two missing children from Nova Scotia.

globalnews.ca

A theory is just a theory, not an accusation. Two totally different things.

did he go out in a vehicle or was he on that red Quad thats in their driveway? The quad makes more sense given the terrain.View attachment 586518

I know he did go out on the quad but I think he said he drove which I could be misinterpreting. Usually, people say they rode a quad and drove a car. Problem is, I'm not sure he has up to date license but driving in such a remote area he probably could get away with driving around on the roads looking in ditches and culverts.