CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[imstilla.grandma]

Searchers will scour the woods around Lansdowne Station for Lilly and Jack Sullivan beginning Saturday morning.

Kevin MacLean, the president of Colchester Ground Search and Rescue, said the RCMP asked him to get his volunteers back together.

In a news release on Friday afternoon, Nova Scotia RCMP confirmed ground and air search efforts are planned for Saturday.

"Searchers from ground search and rescue teams, the Civil Air Search and Rescue Association, and the RCMP will focus on specific areas around Gairloch Rd. in an effort to locate Lilly and Jack and advance the investigation," police said in a news release.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/search-for-kids-missing-from-pictou-county-home-resumes-1.7537354

 

[Cedars]

Well it wouldn’t be the first time searchers missing finding who they were looking for. There must be a reason the RCMP has reason to believe it’s worth taking a second look at back where they began.

N.S. missing kids: Search to resume in scoured area 2 weeks after disappearance | Globalnews.ca

Lilly and Jack Sullivan, aged six and four, were reported missing on the morning of May 2 from their home on Gairloch Road in Lansdowne Station.

globalnews.ca

Police say they will return to an area they’ve already scoured to launch a fresh search and rescue operation in their efforts to find two children who have been missing in Nova Scotia for two weeks.

Ground and air teams will return to a specific area near where the children originally went missing to search over the long weekend, according to the RCMP…..

…..Police on Friday reassured the public their search would keep going two weeks after the kids disappeared — and would be stepped up over the Victoria Day long weekend.

The force said its ground and air teams would return to a previously searched area for a fresh operation.

IMO, typically the first search is a desperate attempt to find the missing while they are still alive. So the focus is to find someone who is on the move/who can see/hear/respond - meaning calling, looking in all directions all the time for any movement, listening carefully, and covering a larger and larger area in case the missing are continuing to move farther away.

When there is no chance of survival, that type of search has to be given up. Searchers rest, catch up with everything else they had stopped doing.

Then a new type of search starts: looking for an object that is stationary. So searchers need to keep their eyes and attention focussed down, checking in a grid pattern side by side, under foliage, etc.

JMO but you can't do both at the same time.

 

[starlightstarbright]

To me, this sounds like they are coming back to search the property and area directly around it. That sounds very sensible. MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Montrealaise]

Experts are saying this case is highly unusual for several reasons:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/experts-point-to-anomalies-in-unprecedented-case-of-missing-ns-children-1.7536905

 

[iamafiusny]

Experts are saying this case is highly unusual for several reasons:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/experts-point-to-anomalies-in-unprecedented-case-of-missing-ns-children-1.7536905

Very unusual case, for sure, but she only knows as much as we do. I'm hoping since they have specific areas they want to search they have found evidence they need.

Jmo

 

[ttjo]

Very unusual case, for sure, but she only knows as much as we do. I'm hoping since they have specific areas they want to search they have found evidence they need.

Jmo

it could even be things like, I heard them identify 2 heat sources as oil drums. They didnt say if they were sealed or empty, I'm assuming they checked what they needed to, but it could even be stuff like that?

 

[iamafiusny]

it could even be things like, I heard them identify 2 heat sources as oil drums. They didnt say if they were sealed or empty, I'm assuming they checked what they needed to, but it could even be stuff like that?

Yes, absolutely. Plus stated most the interviews are almost complete and they collected cellphones etc several days ago.

I have confidence they're bringing Jack & Lilly home.

 

[MistyWaters]

Experts are saying this case is highly unusual for several reasons:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/experts-point-to-anomalies-in-unprecedented-case-of-missing-ns-children-1.7536905

This is the article I recall reading with the talking head who was somewhat critical of the outdoor area search and now we have it that the RCMP are revisiting that once again. Is this an indication they have an ‘active lead’ and what might that be? I continue to wonder if there is a witness who sighted the children outside, either playing in the yard or on the side of the road, as if waiting for the school bus. This is just my opinion

(from your link)
He also said police should have said publicly in the early days of the search whether the case was considered suspicious.

"I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that there is some active lead being worked and they don't want to upset the equilibrium that they're in," said Arntfield.

"But based on appearances, this went in the wrong direction early on and key momentum and leads were lost when they were out in the fields looking for kids that maybe were never there."

 

[paris_paris]

To me, this sounds like they are coming back to search the property and area directly around it. That sounds very sensible. MOO

I remember specifically a little guy that went missing where family had a car shop? Something about not searching the cars on the lot because all the keys were hanging behind the desk. And guess where they found him…
And don’t me started on the trucker from Ontario that the never searched the truck trailer. Another driver realized he was in there after he drove the truck and trailer back to the east coast.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

To me, this sounds like they are coming back to search the property and area directly around it. That sounds very sensible. MOO

Yes. I am curious about whether they'll devote extra attention to the area directly across the road from the residence. The map with colored tracers and searched areas that was posted earlier in this thread showed most attention devoted to west, southwest, and northwest of the residence, and less so to the south and southeast, across the road.

 

[sunshineray]

Was this article posted yet? https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7536905

From your link...interesting

"Michael Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., called the case "unprecedented," saying it's highly unlikely for two siblings who live together to vanish when a parent is not involved.
"And there's no evidence of that. If that had been the case, I think we would have heard about that very quickly," he said."
"This case, when you overlay it on a hundred other missing children cases, it just doesn't add up at many levels."
(...)

"I'm giving them [LE] the benefit of the doubt that there is some active lead being worked and they don't want to upset the equilibrium that they're in," said Arntfield.
"But based on appearances, this went in the wrong direction early on and key momentum and leads were lost when they were out in the fields looking for kids that maybe were never there."

 

[Sillybilly]

For those who aren't familiar with Michael Arntfield:

Michael Andrew Arntfield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A post by dotr from a couple of years back:

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Post in thread 'WEBSLEUTHS IS IN THE NEWS'

Apr 29, 2022

Very positive writeup about Websleuths in this newly released book! (Page #60)
One of the Ws tidbits...
How to Solve a Cold Case - Michael Arntfield - Paperback (harpercollins.ca)

''Websleuths.
Perhaps the most consistent, accessible, and credible of the internet communities devoted to researching, discussing, and investigating cold cases, Websleuths now boasts nearly 140,000 active members. by far the largest ''squad'' in the world committed to unsolved crimes and missing persons ( many of whom are suspected cold case murder victims), it was launched in 1999, about the same...

• dotr

• 

 

[TMich6811]

Searching cell pings perhaps?

 

[LadyL]

From your link...interesting

"
"Michael Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., called the case "unprecedented," saying it's highly unlikely for two siblings who live together to vanish when a parent is not involved.
"And there's no evidence of that. If that had been the case, I think we would have heard about that very quickly," he said."
"This case, when you overlay it on a hundred other missing children cases, it just doesn't add up at many levels."
(...)

"I'm giving them [LE] the benefit of the doubt that there is some active lead being worked and they don't want to upset the equilibrium that they're in," said Arntfield.
"But based on appearances, this went in the wrong direction early on and key momentum and leads were lost when they were out in the fields looking for kids that maybe were never there."
Michael Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., called the case "unprecedented," saying it's highly unlikely for two sblingsho live together to vanish when a parent is not involved.
"And there's no evidence of tht If that had been the case, I think we would have heard about that very quickly," he said."
"This case, when you overlay it on a hundred other missing children cases, it just doesn't add up at many levels."


"I'm giving them [LE] the benefit of the doubt that there is some active lead being worked and they don't want to upset the equilibrium that they're in," said Arntfiel.
"But based on appearances, this went in the wrong direction early on and key momentum and leads were lost when they were out in the fields looking for kids that maybe were never there."

I wonder if he thinks they were probably abducted ...

 

[Fruit]

I've been thinking about the whole changing relationship status. And the only thing I can come up with is that she reactivated her FB account to remove the status cause she was stressing about her name maybe still be on his FB account - despite her account being deactivated. And that she did that to avoid the massive international publicity this case got. E.x hundreds of DMs from strangers.

This is the only theory I can think of that could make sense about the timing of it. Not necessarily to "break up" with DM.

But then again - DM said he hasn't heard from her and can't see the baby.
MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I dont think it said anythng, it just went from (whatever it was) to single its like a dropdown menu and you choose whats already there.

The point in my mind was she disowned her relationship

 

[sunspun]

It wouldn't change her relationship status. Rather it just wouldn't list who she was in a relationship with (so it would say "in a relationship" and nothing more opposed to "in a relationship with____"

Ok so if that's true, then we know now that all she did was block him. She didn't actually change anything about her relationship status.

Because what you described is exactly what happened. It was reported back then that she blocked him and her relationship status changed from "In A Relationship with DM", to just "In A Relationship", with no name mentioned.

Which, going by what you said, is what will happen automatically if you block the person you had named in your relationship status on FB.

This was in a post earlier in this thread somewhere.

I wish everyone knew this, because to me, it makes a big difference. It seems a lot less weird to me that she just blocked him and that caused FB to automatically drop his name from her status, instead of thinking that she did that herself.

Blocking him at this time is still strange though, imo.

ETA ok now I'm afraid I'm confusing this even further, because I replied to the wrong post here. I replied to the post that's answering what would happen if HE blocked HER. But we don't know that he did, that was just a hypothetical question I think.

But the answer to that is the same as to when SHE blocks him, which is what I'm talking about. Which is why I was confused and replied to the wrong post. I should have replied to the post a little after that by @Toniab329 , because they were the one who answered what happens if she just blocks him. Which is that her relationship status automatically removes his name, but still says in a relationship. That's what I was trying to clear up, that she only blocked him, didn't change her status. So hope now it's not even more confusing than it was already.

 

[sunspun]

I dont think it said anythng, it just went from (whatever it was) to single its like a dropdown menu and you choose whats already there.

No, from what I recall from an earlier post in this thread, it didn't change to single. It just changed to in a relationship, with no person named. Which, according to what I just learned from the post before yours, is what automatically happens when you block the person you had named in your relationship status.

 

[AddyFinch]

These statistics are out dated, but this is from their website.

• The abduction of a child by a stranger is rare. But an individual may seize a child for a sexual purpose, to cause harm to a child or the child's family, because of mental health problems or for financial motives. RCMP
• A total of 122 of those missing children reports were for a parental abduction, while 16 were related to a stranger abduction.
• About 58% of all missing children or young people involve females. Also, 62% of missing children or youth cases were closed within 24 hours, while 92% were closed within a week.
• Between 2013 and February 2020, Canada issued 56 Amber Alerts involving 74 abducted children. Of those, 67 were recovered and returned safely.
• Of all missing persons reported in a given year, about 500 remain missing after one year. Missing children make up about 9% of that 500.

I'm not sure about the child trafficking stats in Canada, but the CAS of Toronto speaks of this issue here Toronto CAS. These children seem very young for this, but Public Safety Canada also talks of these things. Public Safety.
Abduction is always a possibility.