CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Tealgrove]

Would there be trail cams in this part of Canada?

For hunting purposes? There could be but I wouldn’t count on it.

 

[Tricia]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

 

[Tealgrove]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

Canadian LE are notorious about giving no details. They just don’t. Typically, we know nothing until Trial.

Now, if they were asking for the Public’s assistance and asking who saw the children between Wednesday and Friday we might get more info but they haven’t. Asking that question would tell us what LE is thinking and cast aspersions on the Mother and Father. Publicly I don’t think they’d want to do that.

It also doesn’t mean they haven’t been asking that question quietly as they investigate. Just because we don’t know about it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

 

[Skigh]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

I do so agree with your comment that 'this case is making me lose what ever is left of my mind'.

Which ever scenario one looks at the pieces just do not add up and new updates raise more questions than they answer.

 

[Andromeda]

Aside from mom’s statement to the media May 3rd, we have nothing from her. We have no idea who actually called the kids in sick, or the mechanism the school used to report absenteeism (app?), just that she was the one to call 911.

Police are interviewing 35 people. Probably these people include their teachers, bus driver, in addition to immediate family. That’s approximately 1/3rd of their list. So why such a long list for two early elementary age kids who essentially wake up, go to school and then go home, and are each other’s best playmate?

Police have 180 tips from a community of roughly 100.

Bbm
Tip (law enforcement)
A tip, in law enforcement, is a piece of information regarding a crime or other activity of interest to law enforcement, […] A tip might provide law enforcement personnel with a direction to pursue in the investigation of a crime,[…]
Tip (law enforcement) - Wikipedia

What if DM gave MBM a few days to go and decompress and she wasn’t home from a certain point that week to Friday morning?

There has been no public disclosure if DM had any shifts that week, and he has not said. MBM is a full-time mom. So, her “vacation” schedule would be flexible if back-up would step up.

IMO, their stories kind of lined up in the beginning and they made it sound like they woke up together Friday morning. But then it’s like he went from hero (partner, father of her youngest/stepfather/provider,) to zero over night. Literally. She left Saturday and took their daughter with her.

JMO/MOO
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"Many of the roughly 100 people who live in Lansdowne are related, and have been there for generations."
Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

"More than 180 tips had been received from the public, and officers had identified 35 people to formally interview, MacKinnon said, adding that those people included community members and "those closest to the children.”"
RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

 

[TMich6811]

New search area focus related to cell phone pings possibly?

 

[AIGT]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

This is the biggest sign that RCMP know more than they are letting on. There are people who are saying Canadian law enforcement are always tight lipped but I disagree, it isn’t a country thing. It is case by case.

RCMP have put out the standard press releases with the request for people who may have info to call but other than that nothing at all.

A lot of people saying the public aren’t entitled to know what’s going on but that’s not entirely true. The RCMP has a responsibility to ensure community members feel safe. Not to the detriment of an investigation obviously.

The RCMP know the effect this is having on the community not having any sense of what could’ve happened, where the investigation is at, etc.

With that in mind, I fully trust that the RCMP is being strategically tight lipped here. I believe once this is over the community will understand why the police had to go about this the way that they did.

I trust the RCMP is handling this properly but I will say this because people outside of Canada and maybe some inside Canada won’t understand. If it comes out that the RCMP made mistakes at the beginning of this or had info they could’ve made public, whether something that could ease the stress on the community or help get leads on the investigation - the backlash will be so bad because of perceived mistakes they have made in the past that I don’t see the agency recovering from it.

They’ve got some good officers out there and I trust they are on top of this.

 

[Snoop Sister]

New search area focus related to cell phone pings possibly?

I think the RCMP might have have some tips but better yet, they may be reacting to community and other public pressure. The later is most likely why they are researching the area around Landsdowne. People want answers not just Canadians but internationally.

 

[dotr]

Unrelated case in the UK, just noting fwiw..
2024

Woman who left boy in East Lothian wood without shoes avoids jail

Ashley McGovern abandoned the nine-year-old with no shoes or socks for more than 24 hours in East Lothian.

www.bbc.com

 

[Skigh]

Aside from mom’s statement to the media May 3rd, we have nothing from her. We have no idea who actually called the kids in sick, or the mechanism the school used to report absenteeism (app?), just that she was the one to call 911.

Police are interviewing 35 people. Probably these people include their teachers, bus driver, in addition to immediate family. That’s approximately 1/3rd of their list. So why such a long list for two early elementary age kids who essentially wake up, go to school and then go home, and are each other’s best playmate?

Police have 180 tips from a community of roughly 100.

Bbm
Tip (law enforcement)
A tip, in law enforcement, is a piece of information regarding a crime or other activity of interest to law enforcement, […] A tip might provide law enforcement personnel with a direction to pursue in the investigation of a crime,[…]
Tip (law enforcement) - Wikipedia

What if DM gave MBM a few days to go and decompress and she wasn’t home from a certain point that week to Friday morning?

There has been no public disclosure if DM had any shifts that week, and he has not said. MBM is a full-time mom. So, her “vacation” schedule would be flexible if back-up would step up.

IMO, their stories kind of lined up in the beginning and they made it sound like they woke up together Friday morning. But then it’s like he went from hero (partner, father of her youngest/stepfather/provider,) to zero over night. Literally. She left Saturday and took their daughter with her.

JMO/MOO
"
"Many of the roughly 100 people who live in Lansdowne are related, and have been there for generations."
Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

"More than 180 tips had been received from the public, and officers had identified 35 people to formally interview, MacKinnon said, adding that those people included community members and "those closest to the children.”"
RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

I imagine a fair number of those tips have come from people reading about the case on line.

Parents from the school the children might not live in Lansdowne but know the family through school events or out of school activities.

35 people Does seem a lot ,but at least 5 if not more could be connected to the school by the time individual teachers and classroom support assistants are included . Family members,including those of her former husband ,his work boss and colleagues ,medical professionals, locals ,friends. The numbers soon add up.

 

[Snoop Sister]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

Although, our Mounties are tight lipped, I honestly don’t think they know exactly when the children were last seen and by whom save for the report by mom and step-dad. And, you are right because they live in an isolated area, maybe not many people see the children except for school staff, possible visitors etc.
In my opinion, the RCMP might have released Lilly and Jack’s last known sighting if it could be substantiated. There is just too much public pressure not to do so imo.

 

[Andromeda]

Although, our Mounties are tight lipped, I honestly don’t think they know exactly when the children were last seen and by whom save for the report by mom and step-dad. And, you are right because they live in an isolated area, maybe not many people see the children except for school staff, possible visitors etc.
In my opinion, the RCMP might have released Lilly and Jack’s last known sighting if it could be substantiated. There is just too much public pressure not to do so imo.

I agree.

The Globe and Mail did interview their bus driver. The article is locked and I am not subscribed. But I’m linking it nonetheless.

No one disputes he dropped them off on Tuesday leaving us to assume, until reported to the contrary, he was the last person outside of immediate family to see them. JMO/MOO
Disappearance of two children has rocked rural Nova Scotia community

 

[MistyWaters]

From virtually day 1, the RCMP have stated the children were believed to have ‘wandered’ away even though that’s not even what the parents insisted had occurred. IMO police did not state this possibility on a whim, so I think they had information pointing toward that conclusion. Perhaps they did not disclose that information to the public, so as to not encourage well meaning but inexperienced people from organizing unofficial searches that could result in general chaos in the area, injury and more lost people.

Of all the various risks that can result in the deaths of two children together the odds are low it involved a fatal accident, poisoning, wild animal attack or both being picked up by child traffickers. But being lost in the wilderness poses great danger to everyone equally, so it makes sense to me that the RCMP would want to search once again using closer scrutiny than the first time when the mission was to rescue live children. I hope this 2nd search proves worthwhile.

BBM

Police receive more than 180 tips about missing Nova Scotia siblings Lily, 6, and Jack, 4

Tips pour in from the public about missing Nova Scotia siblings

nationalpost.com

“We’re exploring all avenues in this missing persons investigation,” Staff Sgt. Curtis MacKinnon said Tuesday in a news release. “We have officers from multiple disciplines dedicated to finding Lilly and Jack, including highly trained RCMP major crime and forensic investigators.”

“They were believed to have wandered away from their home on Gairloch (Road). A multi-agency search and missing persons investigation began immediately,” said the RCMP news release.

 

[ttjo]

The RCMP know the effect this is having on the community not having any sense of what could’ve happened, where the investigation is at, etc.

With that in mind, I fully trust that the RCMP is being strategically tight lipped here. I believe once this is over the community will understand why the police had to go about this the way that they did.

I trust the RCMP is handling this properly but I will say this because people outside of Canada and maybe some inside Canada won’t understand. If it comes out that the RCMP made mistakes at the beginning of this or had info they could’ve made public, whether something that could ease the stress on the community or help get leads on the investigation - the backlash will be so bad because of perceived mistakes they have made in the past that I don’t see the agency recovering from it.

They’ve got some good officers out there and I trust they are on top of this.

Everything you said, I couldn't agree more. They care about public perception of how they investigate, and the community's safety.
If they searched other things and the kids were in the woods, they'd get backlash for that too. How do they win?
They did a search based on the best information they had, as far as we know.
Major crimes were in on this the very next day, we have no idea what other info came in or what else they knew.
I get it they haven't been found. Everyone is getting anxious and wanting answers, suggesting they may have based a search on bad information. What else did they have? The police aren't mind readers,

 

[iamafiusny]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

It's a very crazy case with nothing quite making sense no matter how you look at it.

I just wanted to point out for people not familiar, even the most rural of roads will have more traffic than you might imagine.

People will still have work, school, shopping, visitors. People will still shop online and get deliveries. There will be oil trucks filling tanks and other home services such as plumbers, house cleaners. A lot of rural homes sell product so people might be picking up eggs, syrup, etc. And then just random people that happen to be using the road to get from point A to point B.

Looking at the photos it appears to me there is a clear view of their home from the road. If the kids were out playing or standing waiting for their bus theres actually a decent chance they were seen.

moo

 

[iamafiusny]

From virtually day 1, the RCMP have stated the children were believed to have ‘wandered’ away even though that’s not even what the parents insisted had occurred. IMO police did not state this possibility on a whim, so I think they had information pointing toward that conclusion. Perhaps they did not disclose that information to the public, so as to not encourage eager to help but inexperienced people from organizing unofficial searches that could result in general chaos in the area, injury and more lost people.

Of all the various risks that can result in the deaths of two children together the odds are low it involved a fatal accident, poisoning, wild animal attack or both being picked up by child traffickers. But being lost in the wilderness poses great danger to everyone equally, so it makes sense to me that the RCMP would want to search once again using closer scrutiny than the first time when the mission was to rescue live children. I hope this 2nd search proves worthwhile.

BBM

Police receive more than 180 tips about missing Nova Scotia siblings Lily, 6, and Jack, 4

Tips pour in from the public about missing Nova Scotia siblings

nationalpost.com

“We’re exploring all avenues in this missing persons investigation,” Staff Sgt. Curtis MacKinnon said Tuesday in a news release. “We have officers from multiple disciplines dedicated to finding Lilly and Jack, including highly trained RCMP major crime and forensic investigators.”

“They were believed to have wandered away from their home on Gairloch (Road). A multi-agency search and missing persons investigation began immediately,” said the RCMP news release.

It's always been interesting to me how that's worded though. They do not say "we" believed them to have wandered away. They said "they were believed". And DMs first account was he guessed they got out the sliding door because they can't hear it, they were playing out back, and must have got out the fence.

So their account is of the kids wandering away. That doesn't mean they weren't abducted after, but even on the 15th of May RCMP restated they still don't believe it was an abduction.

THURSDAY, MAY 15
Nova Scotia RCMP confirm again there has been no evidence to suggest the children were abducted.

Redirect Notice

Moo

 

[Jade]

It's a very crazy case with nothing quite making sense no matter how you look at it.

I just wanted to point out for people not familiar, even the most rural of roads will have more traffic than you might imagine.

People will still have work, school, shopping, visitors. People will still shop online and get deliveries. There will be oil trucks filling tanks and other home services such as plumbers, house cleaners. A lot of rural homes sell product so people might be picking up eggs, syrup, etc. And then just random people that happen to be using the road to get from point A to point B.

Looking at the photos it appears to me there is a clear view of their home from the road. If the kids were out playing or standing waiting for their bus theres actually a decent chance they were seen.

moo

On the way to a popular fishing hole on the first day of the season, the back road to Halifax.


Imo

 

[TMich6811]

This report is interesting for what it is not saying.
Officials have never said there are any independent sightings of the children after they were last seen at school..
To our Canadian members wouldn't the RCMP state the children were last seen by a neighbor or last seen by another relative if this were the case? What would be the reason for officials to withhold this type of information if true?
IMO there are no other independent sightings of the kids. BUT, just because there was no independent sighting of the kids doesnt mean anything nefarious IMO. Since they lived in such a rural area there is a good chance that rarely anyone else saw the kids outside of school unless the kids went with the parents to do shopping or to visit other people.
No independent sighting of the kids could mean nothing or it could be a huge clue.
This case is making me lose what little is left of my mind.
Tricia

The reported other 2 family members living on the property surely would have seen them and they have not come forward to report they have either which imo is telling give how vocal he is

 

[MistyWaters]

It's always been interesting to me how that's worded though. They do not say "we" believed them to have wandered away. They said "they were believed". And DMs first account was he guessed they got out the sliding door because they can't hear it, they were playing out back, and must have got out the fence.

So their account is of the kids wandering away. That doesn't mean they weren't abducted after, but even on the 15th of May RCMP restated they still don't believe it was an abduction.

THURSDAY, MAY 15
Nova Scotia RCMP confirm again there has been no evidence to suggest the children were abducted.

Redirect Notice

Moo

I think that’s merely high level wording to place the emphasis on the children “the children were believed to have wandered”, as opposed to stating what the RCMP believe because until the case is solved, what the RCMP believe is secondary.

The six day intensive search is definite proof the RCMP supported the belief.

 

[ttjo]

Although, our Mounties are tight lipped, I honestly don’t think they know exactly when the children were last seen and by whom save for the report by mom and step-dad. And, you are right because they live in an isolated area, maybe not many people see the children except for school staff, possible visitors etc.
In my opinion, the RCMP might have released Lilly and Jack’s last known sighting if it could be substantiated. There is just too much public pressure not to do so imo.

it would have been nice to know if anyone else lived on the property and the last time they saw the kids.
There were little things they could have told us but theyve been too tight lipped and its worked against them a little.
At the same time, too many people out there have a problem with everything,
We can be our own worst enemy. we want answers but when that turns into blame and judgement, people clam up.