CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Snoop Sister]

I agree.

The Globe and Mail did interview their bus driver. The article is locked and I am not subscribed. But I’m linking it nonetheless.

No one disputes he dropped them off on Tuesday leaving us to assume, until reported to the contrary, he was the last person outside of immediate family to see them. JMO/MOO
Disappearance of two children has rocked rural Nova Scotia community

Yes ttjo and I posted this article way back in the first thread. The school bus driver was the last person to publicly say he saw Lily and Jack other than mom and stepdad.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes I posted this article in the first thread. The school bus driver was the last person to publicly say he saw Lily and Jack.

I think the reason the bus driver agreed to be interviewed is to set various false rumours straight - that they hadn’t been attending school all week, that they were non verbal (no idea where that came from, that their neglect should’ve been obvious to others, or that either or both had serious developmental difficulties. However it was the last time he drove them on his bus and he described them as normal, happy children hopefully silencing a whole lot of mean and malicious rumours, insinuations or outright speculation.

I disagree he intended his interview to be perceived that he was the last person to “publicly” see the children because of how easy it is for the one important word to be dropped. That’s not even entirely true because every other kid on the bus would’ve saw them too.
JMO

 

[Skigh]

The reported other 2 family members living on the property surely would have seen them and they have not come forward to report they have either which imo is telling give how vocal he is

I find it very strange that nothing has been mentioned about the 2 other family members living feet away from where the children went missing.
Did they go out to work or were they home when the children wandered off? If at home did they get called to check if they had seen the children?

Maybe his mother kept her distance as the children were not her biological grandchildren so there was no chance of the children going to see her.

Obviously the police know the answers to these questions ,but I thought Daniel might have mentioned something when he spoke in detail about what he did that morning.

 

[Snoop Sister]

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I disagree he intended his interview to be perceived that he was the last person to “publicly” see the children because of how easy it is for the one important word to be dropped. That’s not even entirely true because every other kid on the bus would’ve saw them too.
JMO

I was not saying he was the last person to see the children. But, he was the last person to publicly acknowledge that he saw the children. I have read all the info and links from the beginning, I have never read anyone else save for the parents that have admitted to seeing them prior to their disappearance.
And, yes the bus driver was able to share some of his knowledge and insights about the children, which helped to dispel some rumours re the children being non verbal etc.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am off to do long weekend activities. Jack and Lilly are in my thoughts and I hope there are positive outcomes from the search today and tomorrow. Lilly and Jack need to be recovered and brought home.

 

[MistyWaters]

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I was not saying he was the last person to see the children. But, he was the last person to publicly acknowledge that he saw the children. I have read all the info and links from the beginning, I have never read anyone else save for the parents that have admitted to seeing them prior to their disappearance.
And, yes the bus driver was able to share some of his knowledge and insights about the children, which helped to dispel some rumours re the children being non verbal etc.

Yes you did write the word “publicly”, that was my point. Sorry if you thought I misunderstood your post. Mine was how easy it is for people to forget the word “publicly” and go on to assume nobody had seen the children since they got home from school on Tuesday.

If there is such a person, I really doubt they’d want to come forward to the media, then to have their personal life scrutinized by the public. I think we all know about suspecting the “last to see”. If it were me, my only concern would be providing the RCMP with accurate information. I wouldn’t care about fuelling the general public who seems to be mostly on the pursuit of drama and scandal.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

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So their account is of the kids wandering away. That doesn't mean they weren't abducted after, but even on the 15th of May RCMP restated they still don't believe it was an abduction.

THURSDAY, MAY 15
Nova Scotia RCMP confirm again there has been no evidence to suggest the children were abducted.

Redirect Notice

Moo

The possibility of an abduction began with the parents. She wanted an amber alert, he wanted watches stationed at borders and airports. They did not demand the RCMP arrange an immediate and thorough search of the surrounding dense forest because the children “wandered”, in fact iirc DM said Jack didn’t like being cold and wet, she said the children knew they had to be supervised when they go outside.

 

[iamafiusny]

The possibility of an abduction began with the parents. She wanted an amber alert, he wanted watches stationed at borders and airports. They did not demand the RCMP arrange an immediate and thorough search of the surrounding dense forest because the children “wandered”, in fact iirc DM said Jack didn’t like being cold and wet, she said the children knew they had to be supervised when they go outside.

By his own account DM'S first instinct was to check dirt roads, culverts, running through the woods in waist high water.

Not to drive and look for suspicious cars or bang on neighbors doors asking if they saw/heard anything or had cameras.

He also mentioned Lillys backpack would be brown by now.

Moo

 

[iamshadow21]

By his own account DM'S first instinct was to check dirt roads, culverts, running through the woods in waist high water.

Not to drive and look for suspicious cars or bang on neighbors doors asking if they saw/heard anything or had cameras.

He also mentioned Lillys backpack would be brown by now.

Moo

That's another statement that just really sits wrong with me. How would he know?

MOO

 

[ttjo]

I find it very strange that nothing has been mentioned about the 2 other family members living feet away from where the children went missing.
Did they go out to work or were they home when the children wandered off? If at home did they get called to check if they had seen the children?

Maybe his mother kept her distance as the children were not her biological children so there was no chance of the children going to see her.

Obviously the police know the answers to these questions ,but I thought Daniel might have mentioned something when he spoke in detail about what he did that morning.

yes info like that, like who was home, if they saw them I think that should have been ok to say, ( although Im not a cop so they know better)
Did they say they were returning to the search b/c they had more info or because of the public pressure?
Just wondering if they have a new reason to search again.

 

[MistyWaters]

By his own account DM'S first instinct was to check dirt roads, culverts, running through the woods in waist high water.

Not to drive and look for suspicious cars or bang on neighbors doors asking if they saw/heard anything or had cameras.

He also mentioned Lillys backpack would be brown by now.

Moo

So do you think it’s all on account of DM going out to look that the RCMP took over such an intensive 6-day search, now being revisited?

 

[ttjo]

The possibility of an abduction began with the parents. She wanted an amber alert, he wanted watches stationed at borders and airports. They did not demand the RCMP arrange an immediate and thorough search of the surrounding dense forest because the children “wandered”, in fact iirc DM said Jack didn’t like being cold and wet, she said the children knew they had to be supervised when they go outside.

Do you believe that if the parents wanted an Amber Alert and border watches, that the RCMP would have thoroughly questioned why they believe that to be true? what makes them think that, and assess accordingly?

 

[Skigh]

yes info like that, like who was home, if they saw them I think that should have been ok to say, ( although Im not a cop so they know better)
Did they say they were returning to the search b/c they had more info or because of the public pressure?
Just wondering if they have a new reason to search again.

I am not sure why they are returning to search , I do not think a clear reason was given in updates I have seen. It could just be routine to go back and search again in the area the children first went missing.
I suppose they could have a team searching elsewhere whilst the media's attention is on the publicised search area.

 

[MistyWaters]

Do you believe that if the parents wanted an Amber Alert and border watches, that the RCMP would have thoroughly questioned why they believe that to be true? what makes them think that, and assess accordingly?

Yes I’ve no doubt the RCMP would’ve questioned and assessed the reason the parents suggested that.

 

[iamafiusny]

So do you think it’s all on account of DM going out to look that the RCMP took over such an intensive 6-day search, now being revisited?

Definitely not. I think their interviews and collection of cellphones, etc has given them areas of focus.

I just think when RCMP says multiple times there is no evidence of abduction we can believe them, and that DM did not start talking about abduction until a few days in (after a private briefing with RCMP).

Moo

 

[Diddian]

That's another statement that just really sits wrong with me. How would he know?

MOO

Whatever his motivation - distraught acting stepparent, exhausted and concerned and determined to maintain some control in a situation that feels out of control, or otherwise - I think DM has a tendency to try to fill in missing details to make an overall picture more complete, whether he has a solid basis for doing so or not.

Given this, I expect that authorities likely had to do a lot of subtraction with his statements to get down to ONLY what was known by someone present as a starting point for searching for the missing children.

 

[MistyWaters]

I am not sure why they are returning to search , I do not think a clear reason was given in updates I have seen. It could just be routine to go back and search again in the area the children first went missing.
I suppose they could have a team searching elsewhere whilst the media's attention is on the publicised search area.

The only reason given is to “advance the investigation”. But the RCMP never really put an end to the area search. They always referred to it as ‘scaled-back’.

Pictou County missing persons investigation continues with renewed ground and air search efforts​

May 16, 2025
Lansdowne Station, Nova Scotia
News release
Ground and air search efforts are planned for tomorrow (May 17) as the missing persons investigation into the disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan continues.

Searchers from ground search and rescue teams, the Civil Air Search and Rescue Association, and the RCMP will focus on specific areas around Gairloch Rd. in an effort to locate Lilly and Jack and advance the investigation.

This search follows a large-scale air and ground search of 5.5 square kilometres of heavily wooded, rural terrain in the Gairloch Rd. area that began on May 2. On May 7, the search was scaled back in favour of more specific searches.

On May 8 and 9, the RCMP's Underwater Recovery Team (URT) scoured bodies of water around Lansdowne Station; URT's two-day operation did not uncover evidence.

We continue to ask that the public avoid the search area to allow trained searchers to do their work.

 

[ttjo]

Yes I’ve no doubt the RCMP would’ve questioned and assessed the reason the parents suggested that.

So does that tell you anything about why that wasnt the angle the RCMP went with ?

 

[ttjo]

besides they did send out an alert. Maybe not an Amber alert but they sent out an emergency alert based on the info they had.

 

[MistyWaters]

So does that tell you anything about why that wasnt the angle the RCMP went with ?

Good question, maybe you can read my mind! They said they had no evidence of an abduction……so is that to indicate they do have evidence that the children “wandered away”?…even though apparently nothing such as personal items (ie boots, backpack) have been found yet?