CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Ontario Mom]

In Alberta, kids don't even get to take their indoor shoes home, they stay at school.

Same here until last day of school. Common in heavy winter snow areas of Canada.

 

[Ontario Mom]

This case is beginning to remind me of the Madeline Soto case - during this case in early interviews the mum used words like ‘we’ when in reality she never saw or heard Maddie that morning.

RSBM

Thankfully, LE have not given the public any reason to presume the cases have anything at all, in common.

 

[thispersonj]

Some folks in the last thread were talking about how strange it was the parents couldn’t describe Jack’s clothing.
I could have sworn I heard the stepdad mention a full pull up. (Side note: Like the soiled backpack description, this made me shudder.)
If he was wearing a full pull up, he was wearing his clothes from last night. I mean, he might sleep only in a pull up but, in that weather, in that house, I would think he’d be wearing jammies.
If I’m right about the pull up (correct me if I’m wrong) then I think it’s weird neither of them would know what else he’d been wearing.

I can tell you what my kids (similar ages) are wearing at any time unless, I suppose, they are up and changed before me. But a full pull up would suggest Jack didn’t change.

Expecting a harsh correction on this one.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't think DM giving his phone up to LE or asking to take a lie detector test are indicator or innocence. In the case of the phone, lots of people delete information but don't realize LE have ways of finding it. And almost everyone knows whether you take a lie detector test and fail it's still not permissible in court.

I agree completely, and call me cynical, but I don't believe anything DM says until it is confirmed by LE.

I'm hopelessly behind on this case, but AFAIK he's said a lot of things that LE hasn't confirmed.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I agree completely, and call me cynical, but I don't believe anything DM says until it is confirmed by LE.

I'm hopelessly behind on this case, but AFAIK he's said a lot of things that LE hasn't confirmed.

At this time, they also haven't denied or refuted anything he's stated in the media.

 

[iamafiusny]

Some folks in the last thread were talking about how strange it was the parents couldn’t describe Jack’s clothing.
I could have sworn I heard the stepdad mention a full pull up. (Side note: Like the soiled backpack description, this made me shudder.)
If he was wearing a full pull up, he was wearing his clothes from last night. I mean, he might sleep only in a pull up but, in that weather, in that house, I would think he’d be wearing jammies.
If I’m right about the pull up (correct me if I’m wrong) then I think it’s weird neither of them would know what else he’d been wearing.

I can tell you what my kids (similar ages) are wearing at any time unless, I suppose, they are up and changed before me. But a full pull up would suggest Jack didn’t change.

Expecting a harsh correction on this one.

He did state the backpack would probably be brown and he didn't see her carrying it for long and the pull-up would be full by now and he doesn't see him keeping it on.

I agree, if he had any clothing on at all, it's likely whatever he slept in the night before.

Moo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

At this time, they also haven't denied or refuted anything he's stated in the media.

Why would they? Their focus is on finding out what happened to the children, not proving that DM is telling the truth.

 

[iamafiusny]

He did state the backpack would probably be brown and he didn't see her carrying it for long and the pull-up would be full by now and he doesn't see him keeping it on.

I agree, if he had any clothing on at all, it's likely whatever he slept in the night before.

Moo

Speaking of, I wonder if he wasn't potty trained yet after all.

I know there was some discussion early on if it might just be a safety measure for bedtime, but if he would be willing to fill it up before removing it, instead of pulling them down like underwear, maybe he did wear them all the time.

Which might be an indication of how severe his suspected autism was.

Among 4- to 5-year-olds, 49 percent of autistic children were not toilet trained, compared with 24 percent of children with developmental delay. By comparison, only 8 percent of typically developing children in that age range were not toilet trained, according to a 2022 study.


Just something to consider when thinking about him being left alone all morning, if he could get his own breakfast, dress himself, etc children with autism sometimes have coordination difficulties.

Moo

What to Know About Toilet Training Your Child with Autism - SPARK for Autism

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[IzzyBlanche]

DM's statement that he was running ahead of the search helicopters sounds goofy as all get out to me. I'm sure the helicopters weren't flying in a straight line.

 

[molliebean]

No, I definitely do not think he would have made it far. Even clothed I don't see them making it far.

I'm not sure Lilly would tell him to get dressed though. Not sure how much guidance they had on a day to day basis to learn that or how special needs she may or may not be.

I really don't think they wandered off at all though so

Moo

Have you heard of Bessie Barker? She was a 2 year old child who went looking for her mother when other children at her relatives home, which they were visiting, teased her saying her mother went home. It was Kansas in the wintertime 1890. She made it 11 miles. She wasn’t wearing a coat. She was found frozen near her doll she had gotten for Christmas. So a child can make it pretty far.

 

[iamafiusny]

DM's statement that he was running ahead of the search helicopters sounds goofy as all get out to me. I'm sure the helicopters weren't flying in a straight line.

They're also fast.




A helicopter typically needs to reach a minimum airspeed of about 50-60 knots (approximately 58-69 mph) to maintain lift and stay airborne, according to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Have you heard of Bessie Barker? She was a 2 year old child who went looking for her mother when other children at her relatives home, which they were visiting, teased her saying her mother went home. It was Kansas in the wintertime 1890. She made it 11 miles. She wasn’t wearing a coat. She was found frozen near her doll she had gotten for Christmas. So a child can make it pretty far.

I have not heard of Bessie Barker. That's a horribly sad story.

I have heard of children traveling much farther than anyone expected, but this is specifically in relation to the dense woods with bramble.

I don't think his 4 year-old skin could have gotten far. I definitely don't think they could have made it any great distance without losing a boot or ripping clothing on something, yet nothing of theirs was found.

Moo

 

[Andromeda]

People can give up parental rights but they will only be accepted if it is to the benefit of the child.

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I misspoke. I meant the stepfather/DM, as he would be considered the head of the household. IMO

Interesting link. Thank you.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Have you heard of Bessie Barker? She was a 2 year old child who went looking for her mother when other children at her relatives home, which they were visiting, teased her saying her mother went home. It was Kansas in the wintertime 1890. She made it 11 miles. She wasn’t wearing a coat. She was found frozen near her doll she had gotten for Christmas. So a child can make it pretty far.

I know there are many instances in which children have made it pretty far, but Bessie was on the flat prairie in western Kansas, not a rugged terrain like the Sullivan children were in.

 

[dotr]

May 13, 2025 #ctvnews #ctvnationalnews #canadiannews
The Nova Scotia RCMP provided an update on missing kids Jack and Lilly Sullivan on Tuesday.

 

[sunflowermomma]

I'm sorry for what is probably a repeat question - where are the children's bio father(s)? Is it possible they were abducted by their biological father or paternal family? JMO, throwing out a potential scenario not accusing anyone of anything specifically

 

[AIGT]

They're also fast.




A helicopter typically needs to reach a minimum airspeed of about 50-60 knots (approximately 58-69 mph) to maintain lift and stay airborne, according to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Moo

In my opinion It’s almost like saying “I already searched the area they should move on elsewhere” which I think he said actually said in similar words in another interview

 

[AIGT]

I'm sorry for what is probably a repeat question - where are the children's bio father(s)? Is it possible they were abducted by their biological father or paternal family? JMO, throwing out a potential scenario not accusing anyone of anything specifically

Nothing officially reported about that only rumors. Certainly a path the police would’ve went down though.

 

[Just4TB]

Snipped 8<
More speculation - Where’s “back home”?? Do we know where MBM lived prior to hooking up with DM three or so years ago?
Snipped 8<

She decided to "get away" from the Gairloch Rd location for a reason. Respectfully, I think it would be in MBM's interest that her location is not made public at this time. So, if anyone knows, let's keep that on the low.

 

[musicaljoke]

I have heard of children traveling much farther than anyone expected, but this is specifically in relation to the dense woods with bramble.

I don't think his 4 year-old skin could have gotten far. I definitely don't think they could have made it any great distance without losing a boot or ripping clothing on something, yet nothing of theirs was found.

Moo

There was a CBC interview with a search and rescue expert, posted upthread which talks about kids who get lost in thick woods. We think they wouldn't go as far, but they actually go further in thick bush than when lost in a thinner woods. The S&R expert, Robert Koester, has collected a database of a half-million search and rescue incidents from around the world and compiled them in a database, which he uses to create statistics.

From the article:

"Qn. And what about the forest conditions? This area has really dense underbrush and fallen trees, and it's almost like you can't even see through the forest when you're trying to look. How could that set kids back in terms of how far they can go?

A. This sometimes limits the data, but in kind of a surprising result, a lot of my data also comes from the Pacific Northwest, so Oregon, Washington state, British Columbia. And you would think those thicker forests might slow people down, but in fact they tend to go a little bit further than in the more eastern vegetation."
...

I suspect that this is because kids are less likely to backtrack when walking through a thick woods, especially with trees fallen from the hurricane. It seems to me that they would walk in the direction of the fallen trees, rather than walk against the fallen trees. What I mean is, if the fallen trees are pointing north, then they would walk north, rather than in circles or back south to return in the direction that they came from.
jmo

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-person-expert-lansdowne-station-search-1.7531338