CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

I genuinely don't understand why anyone expects anything of this mother.
Her kids are missing & she's tucked herself into the safety of her family, as far as we know.
Nothing about that appears as a negative to me, it appears as perfectly, heartbreakingly normal, given the situation.
I tend to agree with you about it being perfectly normal for MBM to tuck herself safely in surrounded by her family during this trying time. I even understand her not speaking to press if she was indeed cautioned by RCMP not to.

The questions we all have about her leaving mainly, at least for me, are based on information provided by DM, about her leaving and blocking him and cutting ALL contact with him, about her family claiming he is "responsible" for "this", about him not being allowed by CPS to see his child because they are keeping "a tight leash on everything".

I think it is normal to question things when one person isn't speaking at all and another is speaking continuously. It makes it hard for people to understand her position and decisions since all we hear about is DM's take on things.
 
It definitely seems unusual not to hear anything but she might not be in any fit state mentally to do any of that. We just don't know.
Unless its some sort of tactic devised by LE for some reason, I can't imagine much keeping a mom from begging for her babies to be found. Even if she had to appoint someone to do it on her behalf. So many minorities with missing loved ones would love the attention Lilly and Jack are getting. Posters, billboards, statements, etc. Keep momentum going.

Moo
 
While I do believe it highly unusual for mom not to be front and centre pleading for the safe return of her kids or in finding the circumstances too difficult mentally herself, a maternal relative not shouldering the burden for her is what is throwing the public into suspicion . I honestly don't think mom has anything to do with the disappearance though

For one DM has maintained his stance on saying she was sleeping in turn this kind of provides her with an alibi of sorts . That doesn't seem to have waiviered despite him not having access to his own bio child , mom leaving him to deal with the usual media circus that ensues when a minor goes missing and if rumour is to believed cut off all contact and has allowed her family to accuse his .

IDK , other than the cloak and dagger approach of the RMPC and the kids missing school which in other cases has been red flags . I don't know what to think . Being so rural too its hard to believe a peadophile stranger would just happen to chance upon the kids in the yard . That leaves DM and Mother of dm on property who could possibly of harmed them there .we haven't been told if there was other people present at the time .

I've been following the Tina satchwell case here on WS and on other forums for years and have seen how manipulative her husband was in playing the public , media and LE so I don't really trust when I see a relative with crocodile tears . So I'm unsure of my stance on DM
 
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I guess we get derailed, because there simply is nothing more to discuss re this case. It's a sad sad mystery, and if zero evidence found, it will remain a mystery. Will the RCMP give a parting synopsis, until future, if any developments?
 
It is my belief that law enforcement has a pretty good idea what happened to these children . As a Canadian, I admire how much information is kept out of the public domain. This should not be construed to mean they have no leads or information. A strong example I recall was the case in Calgary of a missing boy and his grandparents, who were murdered by a disgruntled former business associate of the grandfather. When the details became known to the public, it was clear the police had been onto the truth early on and made their case relatively fast, especially when you consider how long murder investigations can often take to solve, years, even decades.

Our clues to what likely happened to Lilly and Jack - law enforcement stated early on the children are likely no longer alive. They stated their belief it was not an abduction.

My further interpretation of what has transpired - I believe law enforcement is quietly building their case.

Seeking video footage from the area, including from a few days preceding the disappearance, is for the purpose of showing they have explored every possibility, and have not fixated on one theory. They can show they looked at and identified and eliminated from suspicion any strange vehicles seen in the area.
Video footage can also corroborate or refute statements made by the parents or other family members as to their movements around the time of the disappearance. For example, hypothetically, if a family member claimed to have driven around a certain area looking for the children that morning, but footage of that area reveals no such travel occurred, this would be a hole in the story to be explored.
Re Searching the woods again. It is my belief the children never wandered into the woods. The woods had to be searched, of course, to rule out that possibility. The fact the children were not found in the first searches, with something like 160 searchers along with trained dogs tells me they were not in the woods. That the woods are being searched again is likely to show the thoroughness of their exploration of that avenue. By now, had the children perished in the woods, there would be decomposed remains to discover, and they would be more likely to be found now, even if they had been missed previously.
It is my belief that, had they wandered into the woods, they would have been found, either alive, or dead from exposure, or dead due to animal attack. I find it unlikely an animal attack would take away all evidence of 2 children. I don’t believe the children would have gotten very far away in that dense forest.
Without unpacking their account of what transpired that morning, I find the facts of the case as reported by one or both of the adults in the home do not ring true for me. I find inconsistencies in their descriptions of the children to be suspicious.
I find the statistical likelihood of an opportunistic predator passing through this remote region at the exact same time 2 vulnerable children happen to wander to the roadside to be very very small.
I believe investigators have a better handle on this case than we have been told. I am very hopeful for justice to be served.
All imho
 
It is my belief that law enforcement has a pretty good idea what happened to these children . As a Canadian, I admire how much information is kept out of the public domain. This should not be construed to mean they have no leads or information. A strong example I recall was the case in Calgary of a missing boy and his grandparents, who were murdered by a disgruntled former business associate of the grandfather. When the details became known to the public, it was clear the police had been onto the truth early on and made their case relatively fast, especially when you consider how long murder investigations can often take to solve, years, even decades.

Our clues to what likely happened to Lilly and Jack - law enforcement stated early on the children are likely no longer alive. They stated their belief it was not an abduction.

My further interpretation of what has transpired - I believe law enforcement is quietly building their case.

Seeking video footage from the area, including from a few days preceding the disappearance, is for the purpose of showing they have explored every possibility, and have not fixated on one theory. They can show they looked at and identified and eliminated from suspicion any strange vehicles seen in the area.
Video footage can also corroborate or refute statements made by the parents or other family members as to their movements around the time of the disappearance. For example, hypothetically, if a family member claimed to have driven around a certain area looking for the children that morning, but footage of that area reveals no such travel occurred, this would be a hole in the story to be explored.
Re Searching the woods again. It is my belief the children never wandered into the woods. The woods had to be searched, of course, to rule out that possibility. The fact the children were not found in the first searches, with something like 160 searchers along with trained dogs tells me they were not in the woods. That the woods are being searched again is likely to show the thoroughness of their exploration of that avenue. By now, had the children perished in the woods, there would be decomposed remains to discover, and they would be more likely to be found now, even if they had been missed previously.
It is my belief that, had they wandered into the woods, they would have been found, either alive, or dead from exposure, or dead due to animal attack. I find it unlikely an animal attack would take away all evidence of 2 children. I don’t believe the children would have gotten very far away in that dense forest.
Without unpacking their account of what transpired that morning, I find the facts of the case as reported by one or both of the adults in the home do not ring true for me. I find inconsistencies in their descriptions of the children to be suspicious.
I find the statistical likelihood of an opportunistic predator passing through this remote region at the exact same time 2 vulnerable children happen to wander to the roadside to be very very small.
I believe investigators have a better handle on this case than we have been told. I am very hopeful for justice to be served.
All imho
very well articulated. I agree.
 
It is my belief that law enforcement has a pretty good idea what happened to these children . As a Canadian, I admire how much information is kept out of the public domain. This should not be construed to mean they have no leads or information. A strong example I recall was the case in Calgary of a missing boy and his grandparents, who were murdered by a disgruntled former business associate of the grandfather. When the details became known to the public, it was clear the police had been onto the truth early on and made their case relatively fast, especially when you consider how long murder investigations can often take to solve, years, even decades.

Our clues to what likely happened to Lilly and Jack - law enforcement stated early on the children are likely no longer alive. They stated their belief it was not an abduction.

My further interpretation of what has transpired - I believe law enforcement is quietly building their case.

Seeking video footage from the area, including from a few days preceding the disappearance, is for the purpose of showing they have explored every possibility, and have not fixated on one theory. They can show they looked at and identified and eliminated from suspicion any strange vehicles seen in the area.
Video footage can also corroborate or refute statements made by the parents or other family members as to their movements around the time of the disappearance. For example, hypothetically, if a family member claimed to have driven around a certain area looking for the children that morning, but footage of that area reveals no such travel occurred, this would be a hole in the story to be explored.
Re Searching the woods again. It is my belief the children never wandered into the woods. The woods had to be searched, of course, to rule out that possibility. The fact the children were not found in the first searches, with something like 160 searchers along with trained dogs tells me they were not in the woods. That the woods are being searched again is likely to show the thoroughness of their exploration of that avenue. By now, had the children perished in the woods, there would be decomposed remains to discover, and they would be more likely to be found now, even if they had been missed previously.
It is my belief that, had they wandered into the woods, they would have been found, either alive, or dead from exposure, or dead due to animal attack. I find it unlikely an animal attack would take away all evidence of 2 children. I don’t believe the children would have gotten very far away in that dense forest.
Without unpacking their account of what transpired that morning, I find the facts of the case as reported by one or both of the adults in the home do not ring true for me. I find inconsistencies in their descriptions of the children to be suspicious.
I find the statistical likelihood of an opportunistic predator passing through this remote region at the exact same time 2 vulnerable children happen to wander to the roadside to be very very small.
I believe investigators have a better handle on this case than we have been told. I am very hopeful for justice to be served.
All imho
I like your methodical case building, and pray if LE gets the evidence they need for a charge, that person does not get acquitted at the end of the day.
 
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I am baffled too. I cannot work out what might have happened. I just do not think they both wandered into the woods.
I'm baffled as well, hoping as other have pointed out that LE has a good idea of what happened. I sometimes wonder if there was a way to monetize their disappearance, such as a go fund me, or something where the kids are safe and will be left somewhere to be found once a targeting amount of funds have been raised...this is likely me just grasping to think of a scenario where the children are alive and well. I guess in this case LE just wait. Maybe the mother is close to them or is away so she can maintain some form of communication out of the public eye. After typing this I realize how much of a reach it is.
 

“The stepfather of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is asking people to stop “attacking” their mother online as he tries to remain hopeful the siblings will be found safe.

“It doesn’t get any easier,” Daniel Martell told CTV News. “One month has passed.”Martell says the grief is overwhelming and only made worse by the online speculation about what happened to six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and four-year-old Jack Sullivan, especially when he has one child who still lives with her mother.

“Put your focus around Maleyha and toward the kids,” he said, referring to the children’s mother. “Don’t attack Maleyha because her mental health is going to be reflected on our daughter, so I don’t want anyone attacking Maleyha anymore.”….”

more….
 

Host Dan Ahlstrand speaks with CityNews.ca writer Natasha O’Neill, who has been following the case.
Can you give a short synopsis of any new info in interview..young children in hearshot and I don't have ear phones
 

“The stepfather of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is asking people to stop “attacking” their mother online as he tries to remain hopeful the siblings will be found safe.

“It doesn’t get any easier,” Daniel Martell told CTV News. “One month has passed.”Martell says the grief is overwhelming and only made worse by the online speculation about what happened to six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and four-year-old Jack Sullivan, especially when he has one child who still lives with her mother.

“Put your focus around Maleyha and toward the kids,” he said, referring to the children’s mother. “Don’t attack Maleyha because her mental health is going to be reflected on our daughter, so I don’t want anyone attacking Maleyha anymore.”….”

more….
Well one thing is for sure DM is portraying the good partner and father and is coming across well with that statement. . He seems genuine but step father's dont always come out well in missing kids cases so im still keeping an open mind.


Couple of things on my mind today .

Why did they rule out abduction so soon ? Is it the rural location of the property.? Abductors can leave no trace behind so what evidence did they have that an abduction did NOT occur?

DM states he heard the kids up and lilly came into the room . He doesn’t specify a time ,just that the sun was up . Does he mean it was sunrise which depending on season and being in the northern hemisphere usually occurs between 5.00am and 6.30am . Maleyha states in first interview that she was awoken at about 9.45 am - 10.15 am as far as I recall . Maybe I'm mistaken but did she also say she heard the children or was that just Daniel that did ? So based on those times is there a window of between 3 to 5 hours that the kids possibly could have been unsupervised?

I think Maleyha and her family in their fear and grief are accusing DM and his family because this window of time can't be corroborated as she was asleep
 
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To be fair, how many of us as children would get up on the weekend, get some cereal, and turn on cartoons while our parents slept?

Alternatively how many parents here have ever had a child go outside into the yard, and when you realized, you went out and called them back in? But you were lucky; they were there?

There are other cases on WS where parents were "partying" and therefore didn't notice their kids until much later than 10:00 the next day. That's different, though. JMO.
I let my 4 and 7 year old get up on weekends and have a snack and watch TV while I get some extra sleep. If that makes me a horrible parent I guess so be it.
 

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