CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[musicaljoke]

I’m not sure, are you expecting DM to take over for the police/SAR and proceed to organize search parties? Why would he do that?

Indeed he wouldn't. It seems he still has hope that the police and SAR are doing good work. If the children are never found, it may come to private searches at some time in the future, but not yet. I'm not sure how many days over the past month that there has been nothing in the news, but it can't be many. The children certainly have not been forgotten by the media.

 

[ttjo]

I think they have a good idea of what has occurred but need strong enough evidence to go to trial AND get a conviction.

well you will have made my day if that is true.

 

[iamafiusny]

Are you aware of the organized search that’s to take place tomorrow and police have asked for dashcam footage from Gairloch Road? The investigation has not gone cold.

A casual reader might think we’re all panicking here because there’s no exposure, no movement in this missing children’s case at all. That’d be wrong.

Very aware, I do not think the case has gone cold. I know RCMP have been working around the clock on this for weeks.

It doesn't change my perception of the parents behavior, choice of words, or lack of words.

And yes, I'm also aware we don't all behave the same way.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I’m not expecting him to do that, no. But that’s because I have a different opinion on what happened.

I think a lot of people’s expectations of what the parents actions should be don’t line up with what the reasonable actions would be based on those people’s theory of what happened.

The people’s theory is not driving this investigation in the slightest.

 

[MistyWaters]

Very aware, I do not think the case has gone cold. I know RCMP have been working around the clock on this for weeks.

It doesn't change my perception of the parents behavior, choice of words, or lack of words.

And yes, I'm also aware we don't all behave the same way.

Moo

I think each of us are looking at this case in different ways. As a Canadian I can say I have confidence in the RCMP but no expectations they will keep the public in the loop so as with other Canadian cases, I’m following this case as an observer without thinking I know much at all. And I’m okay with that.

USA cases are much different, sometimes the manner in which people engage it’s difficult to draw the line between true crime and a murder mystery play.
JMO

 

[AIGT]

LE does not go by people’s opinions or expectations.

They go by facts, proof and investigative protocols.

I think they have a good idea of what has occurred but need strong enough evidence to go to trial AND get a conviction.

They don’t want volunteers wading through potential evidence.

We do not operate in the same manner as the US.

I’m not sure what point of mine you’re referring to but I am well aware of how investigations work.

The “we don’t do things like the states” thing for every reasonable question someone raises about how things are going gets old in my opinion. Coming from a Canadian.

 

[iamafiusny]

I think each of us are looking at this case in different ways. As a Canadian I can say I have confidence in the RCMP but no expectations they will keep the public in the loop so as with other Canadian cases, I’m following this case as an observer without thinking I know much at all. And I’m okay with that.
JMO

As an American I have confidence in the RCMP and do not expect to be kept in the loop. I know there is a whole lot I don't know.

My opinions are based on what I do know, and I'm comfortable with changing them if needed. Haven't needed to yet.

Moo

 

[JDG]

well you will have made my day if that is true.

LE needs physical proof or a confession (if there is criminality involved) and physical proof (ie human remains) if the children did wander off.

It could take years to have all their ducks in a row. Hopefully quicker, who knows.

eg. The Sherman case. I’m sure the police have a solid scenario but not enough proof for an arrest or to go to trial and get a conviction. It’s been over seven years.

 

[ttjo]

LE needs physical proof or a confession (if there is criminality involved) and physical proof (ie human remains) if the children did wander off.

It could take years to have all their ducks in a row. Hopefully quicker, who knows.

eg. The Sherman case. I’m sure the police have a solid scenario but not enough proof for an arrest or to go to trial and get a conviction. It’s been over seven years.

I want to believe that they do have a good idea of what happened even if they dont say it.
I understand the evidence part, when the end game is not just to make an arrest but the lilklihood of conviction. I know in Alberta the Liklihood of conviction is considered in the crown prosecutors ethical committment. Especially when you only get one shot at it. On some of the bigger cases (lomg investigations) I'm pretty sure L/e consults with a prosecutor before they make an arrest.

 

[MistyWaters]

As an American I have confidence in the RCMP and do not expect to be kept in the loop. I know there is a whole lot I don't know.

My opinions are based on what I do know, and I'm comfortable with changing them if needed. Haven't needed to yet.

Moo

You haven’t needed to but neither have I noticed a press conference scheduled so the parents/step can hold up pictures of the children. Surely nobody believes that’s what required to solve this case???

The focus on this case is not lacking and the media publishes photos of the children with every report.

 

[AIGT]

You haven’t needed to but neither have I noticed a press conference scheduled so the parents/step can hold up pictures of the children. Surely nobody believes that’s what required to solve this case???

The focus on this case is not lacking and the media publishes photos of the children with every report.

[mod snip] That’s not what will solve the case but it’s a reasonable action to take if you’re a parent telling the truth about everything.

More reasonable than running away or talking about yourself every time you see a camera.

The point people are trying to make is the actions don’t line up with the story.

MO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

For family members to beg for the return of the children with no indication they’d been abducted by police would indeed be bizarre theatrics IMO.
JMO

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I see what you're saying but I see it differently. If I were 100% convinced the police were wrong and that my children had indeed been abducted, I would beg the abductors to return my children.

If I were 100% convinced my children had been abducted, if the police told me there was no evidence of them being abducted, I (and no parent in the world) would just think, oh well, I was mistaken then and they weren't abducted because the police say so.

It would be bizarre, but it wouldn't be theatrics.

 

[Cedars]

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I see what you're saying but I see it differently. If I were 100% convinced the police were wrong and that my children had indeed been abducted, I would beg the abductors to return my children.

If I were 100% convinced my children had been abducted, if the police told me there was no evidence of them being abducted, I (and no parent in the world) would just think, oh, I was mistaken and they weren't abducted because the police say so.

It would be bizarre, but it wouldn't be theatrics.

Just dropping by.

I thought the belief was they got lost in the woods. Where did abduction come from?

 

[AIGT]

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I see what you're saying but I see it differently. If I were 100% convinced the police were wrong and that my children had indeed been abducted, I would beg the abductors to return my children.

If I were 100% convinced my children had been abducted, if the police told me there was no evidence of them being abducted, I (and no parent in the world) would just think, oh, I was mistaken and they weren't abducted because the police say so.

It would be bizarre, but it wouldn't be theatrics.

Yes. Exactly.

 

[AddyFinch]

LE needs physical proof or a confession (if there is criminality involved) and physical proof (ie human remains) if the children did wander off.

It could take years to have all their ducks in a row. Hopefully quicker, who knows.

eg. The Sherman case. I’m sure the police have a solid scenario but not enough proof for an arrest or to go to trial and get a conviction. It’s been over seven years.

True, but let’s not forget TPS screw up at the start. Brushing off any theories from the getgo may have been the downfall of evidence gathering. I agree, they know who did it, so do the kids.

 

[AddyFinch]

Just dropping by.

I thought the belief was they got lost in the woods. Where did abduction come from?

Mother claimed abduction from the start.

 

[MistyWaters]

Mother claimed abduction from the start.

Yes but that was four weeks ago. Nada since then.

 

[MistyWaters]

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I see what you're saying but I see it differently. If I were 100% convinced the police were wrong and that my children had indeed been abducted, I would beg the abductors to return my children.

If I were 100% convinced my children had been abducted, if the police told me there was no evidence of them being abducted, I (and no parent in the world) would just think, oh well, I was mistaken then and they weren't abducted because the police say so.

It would be bizarre, but it wouldn't be theatrics.

Initially I wondered if both DM and MBM were fearful of negligence charges. The possibility of the children being abducted sounds better than a 4 and 6 year old leaving the mobile home while the adults are still in bed mid morning, walking down the long driveway into the wilderness without either of the adults even noticing. One child is apparently sick, reason for school absence.

Nevertheless MBM didn’t want an Amber Alert because of abduction, her concern was everyone she knew hadn’t heard the children were missing. Obviously she wasn’t aware the purpose of an Amber Alert is more than a missing child alert.

If I were 100% convinced my children were abducted it would be because of some sort of proof such as a car stopping, then speeding off or somebody I suspected who had made prior threats, etc. It would be unusual that LE wouldn’t at least consider that a possibility, so did they even have a reason or did it just sound good at the time?
JMO

 

[Cedars]

Mother claimed abduction from the start.

I would translate that as a desperate hope someone is taking care of them, so they can be brought back.

 

[Alison]

You’re still missing the point. That’s not what will solve the case but it’s a reasonable action to take if you’re a parent telling the truth about everything.

More reasonable than running away or talking about yourself every time you see a camera.

The point people are trying to make is the actions don’t line up with the story.

MO

It’s also reasonable for an Indigenous Woman to not engage the media due to historic and current discrimination against Indigenous Mothers. We seem to forget this mother has probably faced much prejudice in her life. Look at the rumours and judgment already. In this space and time the parents are victims and we need to treat them as such, not question their actions.