CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[MistyWaters]

BIB - Absolutely. They play things close to their chest.
I would think they've suspected this is a criminal investigation from the start.

And especially after the first day when the children weren’t found safe within hollering distance.

 

[AddyFinch]

Nova Scotia RCMP’s intensive approach to missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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More than 11 Nova Scotia RCMP units are working on the missing persons investigation, some of which include the Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit, Pictou County District RCMP, Digital Forensic Services, Truth Verification Section, Legal Application Support Team, Police Dog Services, Underwater Recovery Team, Behavioural Sciences Group, and the Criminal Analysis Service.

They are joined in their investigational efforts by the National Centre of Missing Persons, Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

I’m putting the RCMP update here again, and this is all JMO, MOO
With all these special teams being involved it seems this is now and perhaps for a while, a criminal investigation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Major Crimes being involved is not the norm unless some sort of foul play is suspected. I know the RCMP still says “all scenarios are being considered” but IMO, wouldn’t they say that, even if they don’t actually think that’s the case…simply to not put people on guard who might be involved and for the fact that the RCMP are still putting the pieces together….
I’m not experienced in any way but all of this just seems extreme to me and again JMO

Sure I'm going to get shot down for this but here goes... the expansive list of departments working on this case, I suspect are listed in this manner.... (JMHO), to quell the community questions as to "how much work is being done on this case". The dept grand names are really the same depts always responsible except for the digital stuff which is really relatively new in the last few decades, albeit much more sophisticated. See how you can put a spin on things... Police Dog Services was always "Canine", the Underwater Recovery Team was the "divers" etc. Policing has become more specialized because of new tools. I would imagine they have a computer that once input is entered, the computer spits out tons of info across Cdn RCMP systems, CSIS, Interpol, FBI etc if needed.
So I am sure that someone from all these depts within departments is working on this case. It just sounds grander when the names Major Crimes is attached, and each dept is broken down bit by bit. It's similar for example..there are 6 people working in Ident, but only one is working on this case with his 6 other cases.
And why? IMO, it's because they have taken some major criticism over the last few years for missing things or dropping the ball.
Ok go ahead, flame me.

 

[MistyWaters]

Sure I'm going to get shot down for this but here goes... the expansive list of departments working on this case, I suspect are listed in this manner.... (JMHO), to quell the community questions as to "how much work is being done on this case". The dept grand names are really the same depts always responsible except for the digital stuff which is really relatively new in the last few decades, albeit much more sophisticated. See how you can put a spin on things... Police Dog Services was always "Canine", the Underwater Recovery Team was the "divers" etc. Policing has become more specialized because of new tools. I would imagine they have a computer that once input is entered, the computer spits out tons of info across Cdn RCMP systems, CSIS, Interpol, FBI etc if needed.
So I am sure that someone from all these depts within departments is working on this case. It just sounds grander when the names Major Crimes is attached, and each dept is broken down bit by bit. It's similar for example..there are 6 people working in Ident, but only one is working on this case with his 6 other cases.
And why? IMO, it's because they have taken some major criticism over the last few years for missing things or dropping the ball.
Ok go ahead, flame me.

I agree.

Another reason may be that currently across Canada there seems to be a trend by municipalities contemplating cancelling their contract with the RCMP and hiring their own municipal police force to save money. By listing all the divisions that come together during a complex investigation such as this one it becomes apparent how impossible it must be for small municipal police forces to keep current with all the complex skills and knowledge required in today’s world. No job is like the old days when one person did it all, specialization is by far more effective.

Hopefully this will be proven in learning the answers to Lilly and Jack’s disappearance.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

The accusations made on day 1 of the case from Maleyha's family towards Daniels family have me thinking . They were not accusing Daniel but his family which insinuates that their were more family members on the property other than Daniels mum BG . Who were they I wonder ? Did they only arrive when the news of the two children were missing or were they on the property from the night previous?

I personally don't think Daniel harmed the kids but did one of his relatives ? Otherwise why would Maleyha's family be accusing them on day one . Was there history there ?

 

[tlcya]

The accusations made on day 1 of the case from Maleyha's family towards Daniels family have me thinking . They were not accusing Daniel but his family which insinuates that their were more family members on the property other than Daniels mum BG . Who were they I wonder ? Did they only arrive when the news of the two children were missing or were they on the property from the night previous?

I personally don't think Daniel harmed the kids but did one of his relatives ? Otherwise why would Maleyha's family be accusing them on day one . Was there history there ?

her family isn't alleged to have accused his family. They are alleged to have accused DM, per his own statements on the topic. The two families were gathered on the property the day after the children were reported missing (Saturday)

Martell said that after the disappearance, the children's mother left the area to be with her family in another part of the province and has blocked him on social media.

He said there was an argument between the two families out in the yard of the home that day.

"My mother had to kick … some people off the property 'cause they were saying that I did it, I had something to do with it, and I'm the only one here fighting for them, which is sad," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...g-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-6-1.7527394

 

[Ontario Mom]

Nova Scotia RCMP’s intensive approach to missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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More than 11 Nova Scotia RCMP units are working on the missing persons investigation, some of which include the Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit, Pictou County District RCMP, Digital Forensic Services, Truth Verification Section, Legal Application Support Team, Police Dog Services, Underwater Recovery Team, Behavioural Sciences Group, and the Criminal Analysis Service.

They are joined in their investigational efforts by the National Centre of Missing Persons, Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

I’m putting the RCMP update here again, and this is all JMO, MOO
With all these special teams being involved it seems this is now and perhaps for a while, a criminal investigation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Major Crimes being involved is not the norm unless some sort of foul play is suspected. I know the RCMP still says “all scenarios are being considered” but IMO, wouldn’t they say that, even if they don’t actually think that’s the case…simply to not put people on guard who might be involved and for the fact that the RCMP are still putting the pieces together….
I’m not experienced in any way but all of this just seems extreme to me and again JMO

I definitely think it's a criminal investigation.
Who they're targetting, is the real question that remains unanswered, until or unless they name a POI. Often times when they do in an investigation like this, it's literally no one's ever even heard of.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I definitely think it's a criminal investigation.
Who they're targetting, is the real question that remains unanswered, until or unless they name a POI. Often times when they do in an investigation like this, it's literally no one's ever even heard of.

I would love to know who they have on their radar!

 

[tlcya]

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just because children of divorced parents reside with their mother wouldn't automatically mean their father has lost custody. Do you have a link to that info @Catcity ? Thanks in advance

 

[su5ie]

A couple of more things to unpack .

The children could absolutely be in that forest having wandered off most likely dead unless by some miracle, survival instinct kicked in and they know how to forage for food but just because an area is grid searched doesn't mean remains are found . There is umpteen cases on WS were remains were found years later in previous searched areas . But ....

Today I was thinking of previous cases where the step parent had more or less taken charge of step children even when the mother was present the step parent was the main " disciplinarian " and apparent care giver
Often when these cases are before the courts because step parent has murdered the child and on trial and the other parent mostly the mother is on trial for allowing the death of her child . Usually the mother will have claimed to any questions from concerned relatives and friends running up to the murder that oh child A is super close to suspect etc etc . It really bothers me that Daniel appears to have been in that role judging by what he has said about the kids discipline . Stating he constantly reminded them to close the door etc and he did everything for the kids . And also his reference to Maleyha's mental health having an effect on His child . Meadow is Her child too . (Maybe I'm referencing that wrong please correct me if I am )

Although I don't feel Daniel killed the children but what was his relationship like with Maleyha, was he controlling, was she a victim of DV , did he turn the kids against her so that they came to him in order to make her feel less of a good mum

Where I'm going with all this is could she have had someone remove the kids from the home in order to escape herself and now it's blown up into this big investigation Is she afraid to come forward and tell the truth or whoever has the kids for her is afraid to come forward.

Without telling LE that she fabricated the disappearance, did she tell them that Daniel was abusive and that's why cps won't let him see his other children or meadow . How did his ex wife lose custody? Was she too , afraid to put up a fight ? All my own speculation of course .

It's just in general people unless they get therapy usually follow a pattern of behaviour in relationships so I wondered was similar dynamics at play in the two relationships that DM had .

It is just weird that not one shred of evidence has come to light to support the wandered off theory. And the closing of the sliding door upon exiting the house when it is something they never did without reprimand .

 

[Catcity]

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just because children of divorced parents reside with their mother wouldn't automatically mean their father has lost custody. Do you have a link to that info @Catcity ? Thanks in advance

Daniel basically states it himself in the article

Martell says the silence inside his once busy home is deafening.


"Going from a family of seven to just me, I have nothing but time to just think," he said.


The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

 

[MistyWaters]

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just because children of divorced parents reside with their mother wouldn't automatically mean their father has lost custody. Do you have a link to that info @Catcity ? Thanks in advance

That’s true. We don’t even know the prior custody arrangements for the two other children as it’s possible it was the most common, joint custody with DM half time. Otherwise if DM had sole custody I’d be curious to know where were the two the morning Lilly and Jack went missing?

 

[MistyWaters]

Daniel basically states it himself in the article

Martell says the silence inside his once busy home is deafening.


"Going from a family of seven to just me, I have nothing but time to just think," he said.


The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

DM never ‘lost’ custody of Meadow because mother and child lived with him so he never had custody. That his visits now must be supervised isn’t really a red flag without knowing anything more, it may be due to the stress he’s under due to Lilly and Jack’s disappearance. As for the other two children, we don’t know anything of that custody situation IMO.

I doubt he’d have mentioned it if he intended for it to reflect negatively against him in a derogatory way.
JMO

 

[Catcity]

DM never ‘lost’ custody of Meadow because mother and child lived with him so he never had custody. That his visits now must be supervised isn’t really a red flag without knowing anything more, it may be due to the stress he’s under due to Lilly and Jack’s disappearance. As for the other two children, we don’t know anything of that custody situation IMO.

I doubt he’d have mentioned it if he intended for it to reflect negatively against him in a derogatory way.
JMO

I’m just responding with what CTV stated which says he lost custody.

The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

"I haven't even got to see my own kids, not even Meadow yet, but I'm still hopeful. I have supervised visits coming up with CPS," said Martell.

 

[su5ie]

That’s true. We don’t even know the prior custody arrangements for the two other children as it’s possible it was the most common, joint custody with DM half time. Otherwise if DM had sole custody I’d be curious to know where were the two the morning Lilly and Jack went missing?

Excellent point he does not mention any other kids being present. He only accounts for himself, Maleyha, meadow and of course lilly and jack

 

[su5ie]

I’m just responding with what CTV stated which says he lost custody.

The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

"I haven't even got to see my own kids, not even Meadow yet, but I'm still hopeful. I have supervised visits coming up with CPS," said Martell.

This does suggest a joint custody arrangement

" I haven't even got to see my own kids , not even Meadow yet

 

[Bigditch]

This does suggest a joint custody arrangement

" I haven't even got to see my own kids , not even Meadow yet

If I'm not mistaken that was a Daniel quote, repeated in print by a journalist, quoting him. If that makes sense.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I don't get why Maleyha left the property and him so quickly and imo immaturely change her status on fb to single surely that would be the last thing on your mind to change

Maybe Maleyha left so quickly because she felt it wasn't a safe place to stay for her youngest child?

As far as taking the time to change a relationship "status," she is really young. And if she blames him for the disappearance...

What does she know that makes it acceptable to her to not be at the place where she last knew those children to be?

Good question. I now think she has at least a belief of what happened to the kids, blames Daniel, and doesn't feel safe staying there.

Well even if by accident, they are in deep now!
If not abduction, then one of them is going to be declared mentally unfit, and I think we know who that might be.

Why do you think this, and why only one of them?

Perhaps LE is just continuing to build their case, but if it was that obvious, there should have been an arrest by now.

Some cases take a long time to build. I was just on a different case from 2024 and the parents were just charged with a crime.

could one of the children have killed the other, and parents are hiding fact that they reacted in a response?

Wouldn't at least one parent have immediately called 911 in that case, though?