CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Ursa Major]

Do the searchers get paid or is it all volunteer? Looks like they are all volunteers...

Membership – Colchester Search & Rescue Association

www.colchestersar.ca

SARs are volunteers.

 

[Kittypoo]

Both parents imo were out for the count as they say in ireland . I feel both parents are covering their bums so cps don't take meadow on top of possibly never finding jack and lilly.

This is what I don't get about the accusations thrown in daniels direction . If both Maleyha and Daniel are on the same page re sleeping, how can her family accuse him of harming the kids . Unless it was a broad 'it's your fault for bringing us here kind of accusation .

I have noticed this narrative of events has changed a few times from Maleyha trying to sleep to feeding the baby to now the two asleep but Daniel only basically resting with eyes closed.

Deep sleep or light sleep doesn't make a difference your still bloody asleep and definitely not feeding a baby

Plus she’s not actually a baby she’s 18 months so would be unlikely to still be feeding in bed
IMO

 

[FansBlowing]

Would Meadow even be sleeping in the parents' bedroom at that age? Seems like she would be sharing a room with Lily.

 

[Ursa Major]

I find it doubtful the polygraph examiner officially told Daniel that he passed. They have to rewatch the video and examine the data. Maybe consult their superiors. If Daniel point blank asked if he passed, this might just be what they are told to say to everyone.

Agree. This sounds like they may just told him he was done with the test. Which was interpreted by him as "you've passed". It's very unlikely anyone heard about any test results before it's evaluated by an expert who does a final report.
The other thing which strikes me in this interview: he's telling about how he passed, and all smiles, like "you see, I have passed!". Well, who cares so much if you passed or not, during such a tragic time? Finding your missing kids is the only thing that matters, not clearing yourself in public eye for sure. And this his "I am not guilty" demeanor is so obvious through all of his interviews.

 

[TMich6811]

Would Meadow even be sleeping in the parents' bedroom at that age? Seems like she would be sharing a room with Lily.

Our almost 4 year old is still in her crib in our room. For no reason except she sleeps good and I have not yet had the energy or calm period in life to accept disrupted sleep lol her being in their room doesn’t phase me

Her staying in bed until late morning does though. Not sure what the reality of that morning entailed

 

[Chimera]

Plus she’s not actually a baby she’s 18 months so would be unlikely to still be feeding in bed
IMO

Rbm.
Agreed, that always sounded odd, imo.
Did they bring in a bowl of cereal and milk for her and she ate it on the bed ?
A bottle/sippy cup (some kids like that for drinking way into toddlerhood) ?
It's just that before 10 am I'd expect even an 18-month old to be up and busy playing.
Omo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Agree. This sounds like they may just told him he was done with the test. Which was interpreted by him as "you've passed". It's very unlikely anyone heard about any test results before it's evaluated by an expert who does a final report.
The other thing which strikes me in this interview: he's telling about how he passed, and all smiles, like "you see, I have passed!". Well, who cares so much if you passed or not, during such a tragic time? Finding your missing kids is the only thing that matters, not clearing yourself in public eye for sure. And this his "I am not guilty" demeanor is so obvious through all of his interviews.

I don’t blame him at all for wanting to profess his innocence, assuming he is. If he wasn’t I don’t think he’d be so talkative. It’s a total waste of time and energy for the public to be obsessing over him as a fall guy, rather than seeking the truth.
JMO

 

[derweezy]

I’ve thought something similar regarding MBM. This is all speculation. I’ve known people who get into new relationships and they’re totally head over heels with the guy. Now she’s bringing in extra baggage meaning the kids (not to sound disrespectful) to a home where the guy is perhaps used to living on his own). Going from being single and carefree to a family with young kids can be overwhelming to some people. Yet he’s in love with her and she’s in love with him so they stay together. Perhaps he’s the one to scold the kids more or all the time because he’s getting annoyed (blood is thicker than water). She goes along with it because he’s her everything and she just wants to be with him. I’ve personally seen relationships like this. Basically the guy’s an a$$ but yet she doesn’t think so. Kids can be put on the back burner in situations like this since they’re not his biological children. She gets pregnant with his child and afterwards the other kids are neglected even more. Sometimes the mother will lose all perspective. Not quite sure where I’m going with this, lol. I guess I’m just kind of thinking that perhaps this happened to MBM. Maybe before being with DM she was all about her own kids and a really good mom. Sometimes new relationships with the wrong guy can really screw things up.

Hopefully all this chatter isn’t too confusing

JMO

I've previously speculated that maybe the mother arranged for them to be taken as a way to get out of the relationship and possibly work on keeping custody of the child they share together. Now hearing from the grandmother that the biological father gave up custody at her request, I wonder if this could be the start of a pattern. I have a hard time believing DM did something nefarious without evidence coming forward/discovered by now. I'm starting to believe that he is innocent, at least when it comes to their disappearance. I also question with MBM being safely out of DM's reach that if she had suspicions about him, would they not have surfaced by now?. Maybe it's just me creating a narrative in my head where the children are alive and well, but with them missing for over a month despite the incredible search efforts and the density of the surrounding woods I have to believe they would have been found by now if they did indeed wander off. This gives me some hope that they are alive and being cared for.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

It's heartbreaking Lilly and Jack have not been found after all this time has passed.

My heart goes out to them if they experienced any trauma during or after their disappearance, and to their loved ones who must miss them immensely and be truly devastated.

As it's written in the title of this thread dedicated to following their disappearance:

"...Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am..."

Underlying the heartbreak is a feeling of "what-in-God's-name-went-wrong" for these two very young children who were both "vulnerable" and "wandered from home 10am" presumably on their own, separately or together?

It makes me want to know why, how, when, and where LE thinks they were/are/have been put in a position of being "vulnerable" in terms of their well being and child safety in general.

Because of their young age & that they're presumed to have "wandered" off on their own, separately or together? And deep into the neighboring woods?

I guess I've answered my own question, <sigh>, looking up the Canada Justice Laws Website definition of vulnerable person: (BBM)

Criminal Records Act

Federal laws of Canada

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca

"Definition of vulnerable person

• 6.3 (1) In this section, vulnerable person means a person who, because of his or her age, a disability or other circumstances, whether temporary or permanent,
  • (a) is in a position of dependency on others; or
  • (b) is otherwise at a greater risk than the general population of being harmed by a person in a position of trust or authority towards them."

Holding out hope they will be found safe... and hindsight being 20-20, wishing "better" child safety measures had been in place to mitigate them being able to have "wandered from home" on their own or together at such a young and tender and vulnerable age.

 

[justice2962]

Would Meadow even be sleeping in the parents' bedroom at that age? Seems like she would be sharing a room with Lily.

Maybe they only have two bedrooms in the house, it seems on the small side. Jack and Lilly might even share a room, who knows? JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Rbm.
Agreed, that always sounded odd, imo.
Did they bring in a bowl of cereal and milk for her and she ate it on the bed ?
A bottle/sippy cup (some kids like that for drinking way into toddlerhood) ?
It's just that before 10 am I'd expect even an 18-month old to be up and busy playing.
Omo.

The feeding topic has been hashed over many many times already. No media except Daily Mail reported that once, their reputation towards accuracy is well known.

 

[tlcya]

IF they were in the woods, I believe the search dogs would've found them.
Imo.

them or some evidence of their presence at some point in that forest. JMO

 

[Slebby]

Our almost 4 year old is still in her crib in our room. For no reason except she sleeps good and I have not yet had the energy or calm period in life to accept disrupted sleep lol her being in their room doesn’t phase me
Her staying in bed until late morning does though. Not sure what the reality of that morning entailed

Re: bold by me

This is very odd to me. I raised 3 kids who never slept that late, my own grandchild is 18 months old and would be rocking and rolling with the older kids. I would think it more likely Meadow would be playing with J and L than lying in bed with DM and MBM. This feeds into my suspicion that, if the children really did get away on their own, they did so much earlier than reported by the parents.
What did the reality of that morning entail?
My opinion

 

[Dpdan]

Re: bold by me

This is very odd to me. I raised 3 kids who never slept that late, my own grandchild is 18 months old and would be rocking and rolling with the older kids. I would think it more likely Meadow would be playing with J and L than lying in bed with DM and MBM. This feeds into my suspicion that, if the children really did get away on their own, they did so much earlier than reported by the parents.
What did the reality of that morning entail?
My opinion

I agree, most 18 month old kids are very mobile, and would not accept lying in bed during the day. At that age they most likely have one nap after lunch.

 

[MistyWaters]

Re: bold by me

This is very odd to me. I raised 3 kids who never slept that late, my own grandchild is 18 months old and would be rocking and rolling with the older kids. I would think it more likely Meadow would be playing with J and L than lying in bed with DM and MBM. This feeds into my suspicion that, if the children really did get away on their own, they did so much earlier than reported by the parents.
What did the reality of that morning entail?
My opinion

Sure, if the children disappeared much earlier, a concocted story by DM and MBM would mean one of two things -
- they made up the morning story to minimize their negligence but know nothing about the circumstances under which the children are missing.
- one or both are hiding the truth.

In the case of the first scenario, I have no doubt the RCMP would’ve broken through any fabrication quite quickly. The benefit of the couple no longer being together is they can’t collaborate on any details.

If the RCMP really believed both or either were hiding a serious crime, in Canada an accused can be arrested but only held for 24 hours prior to criminal changes being laid. So it’s not unusual for trumped-up charges to be laid, for example to prevent bodies from being moved or evidence destroyed. A good example is the recent case of the Quebec woman and the missing 3-year old. The child has not been found but she was arrested and locked up almost immediately on child abandonment charges.
JMO

 

[justice2962]

them or some evidence of their presence at some point in that forest. JMO

I’m bring this video back here

Around the 3 minute mark the reporter says Police say they found a boot print and listen to this in the radio chatter

Radio Chatter: Family has uh brought us to a location there uh not far away that uh there’s a par, piece of blanket

Reporter: Police won’t say anything about a blanket but Martell says a piece of Lillys blanket was found near the boot print


If this is true, why wouldn’t the police say anything about it?

 

[iamshadow21]

I’m bring this video back here

Around the 3 minute mark the reporter says Police say they found a boot print and listen to this in the radio chatter

Radio Chatter: Family has uh brought us to a location there uh not far away that uh there’s a par, piece of blanket

Reporter: Police won’t say anything about a blanket but Martell says a piece of Lillys blanket was found near the boot print


If this is true, why wouldn’t the police say anything about it?

Maybe because it wasn't found by them or by SAR, but presented to them like a tableau.

MOO

 

[justice2962]

Maybe because it wasn't found by them or by SAR, but presented to them like a tableau.

MOO

Who is the radio chatter? Police or SAR? They’re saying family brought them to a location where a piece of blanket was found. It seems like they’re looking at the piece of blanket in the place it was found

 

[Bekind89]

I've tried to stay away from personal criticism of lifestyle, but I have to chime in here. While this would be adventurous for kids, this is absolutely dangerous for kids, especially the toddler. Is this why they stated they are always out in yard with them? Is this why CPS stepped in? (yes, I'm sure the missing children is largely the reason). Just the side fence rails are far enough apart for a child's head, the wet mattress, the sand table filled with with black water. I know, that some parents don't understand how to care for kids, so that's when adult agencies must take over. If DM wants his daughter back, and it's so quiet without them, he should start by hauling that backyard, and I would guess the inside looks the same.

It is not only unsafe, it is utterly depressing.
One can be poor and also provide a clean and safe environment for their children so my statement is in no way judging them for their financial situation.
Jmo.

 

[tlcya]

Maybe because it wasn't found by them or by SAR, but presented to them like a tableau.

MOO

exactly.

ETA once again, DM says a piece of Lilys blanket was found near the boot print. I assume this was teh partial boot print that was found on teh pipeline trail that runs some distance back in the woods behind the Martell property. LE has never confirmed if that boot print belongs to either child, but they investigated the area thoroughly based on the fact that it might be related. The radio chatter indicates the family (I have my thoughts on which member) brought searchers to a scrap of material. LE has said nothing about this scrap of material. Only DM says it was a piece of Lily's blanket.

Color me skeptical. I grow weary of having only one person's statements to rely upon and therefore I haven't been. . Others mileage may vary.