CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[MistyWaters]

usually if there is a safety concern about the property, they give you some expectations and timelines to complete, when they come back. if up to snuff, they go away. probably why there were fence boards there, to comply with a soc serv request. and small kids close to a hwy with no fence could be a safety concerm ,

I just can’t believe it was about not having a fence. It’s not okay to allow young children to be unsupervised only if the yard is fenced. The vast majority of family farms and acreages in Canada are not fenced and the hwy going past the mobile home was not a main road to anywhere.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

What we don’t know is the findings following the CPS report. But if it involved ‘living conditions’ I think that would go beyond a messy yard or house, onward toward neglectful parenting. That can often be recognized by something as simple as children not dressed appropriately to the climate. Was there a recent improvement or had both MBM and DM just threw up their hands in defeat over the job of parenting 2 possibly autistic children as much too difficult and the writing was on the wall? Given their comments after the disappearance it was if they were intentionally emphasizing their neglect of both Jack and Lilly.

So I agree, maybe MBM did hand the children over to the band to protect and raise in order to avoid government intervention. Murdering the children and going to jail wouldn’t pose much of a solution.
JMO

BBM

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yes all it said was "
Nova Scotia’s child protection agency investigated the living conditions of Jack and Lilly Sullivan months before their mysterious disappearance from a rural part of the province in early May – a case file that has been reviewed by the minister responsible for child welfare.

Scott Armstrong, Nova Scotia’s Minister of Opportunities and Social Development, confirmed in an interview that the agency had a file on the children prior to their disappearance, but said it would be inappropriate for him to discuss the agency’s findings.

but we know they werent removed so we kind of know the findings. I bet thats why he was fixing the fence. After they come to investigate, they either find something and give recomendations or close the file.

 

[ttjo]

I just can’t believe it was about not having a fence. It’s not okay to allow young children to be unsupervised only if the yard is fenced. The vast majority of family farms and acreages in Canada are not fenced and the hwy going past the mobile home was not a main road to anywhere.
JMO

well its not about the fence as much as the safety concern, ( near a hwy . cars travellig fast, kids are small) and thats just a guess on my part, it could be more than that, unsafe equipment or access to things that arent safe

 

[justice2962]

That's a bit confusing to me. RCMP mentioned after a week they didn't think the kids were still alive, so it seems like a cadaver dog would be the next reasonable step.

I would think so too but maybe the RCMP have reason to believe the kids were never in the woods.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

did they say they were deceased? or did they say IF the kids went into the woods the liklihood of survival in those conditions was not good. and after so many days theyd likely be deceased. How can they say theyre dead, when they dont have one stitch of evidence, ( as far as we know)
Same as saying they werent abducted as opposed to no evidence of an abduction. doesnt mean they werent abducted, just means they dont have any evidence to indicate it.

 

[DMB]

I can't see any reason not to have brought in cadaver dogs by now unless they are absolutely certain that the kids didn't wander off. If they are not certain of that, what could it possibly hurt to bring them in? And it might provide more evidence/indication that something nefarious happened to Lilly and Jack if it were to alert on the house or car.

What other reason might there be not to have brought them in, other than certainty that there would be no point?

They need to tighten the timeline. How much time did they have to dispose the bodies. Hundreds of acres of dense forest not to mention the ocean.

 

[MistyWaters]

well its not about the fence as much as the safety concern, ( near a hwy . cars travellig fast, kids are small) and thats just a guess on my part, it could be more than that, unsafe equipment or access to things that arent safe

Physical improvements to property does not ensure good parenting is in place, nor does a fence. I’d be shocked if that’s all it involved.

 

[ttjo]

Physical improvements to property does not ensure good parenting is in place, nor does fence. I’d be shocked if that’s all it involved.

Living conditions does sound like more than a fence, but that would be an obvious safety concern. If they were found out on the road, and someone reported it, that would be enough.

 

[atomicsciencegal]

Can a school in Canada refer a child to the health board for assessment if they have concerns about their development or behavioral issues

In ireland we have NEPS . Which is intials for national educational psychological service . Their purpose is to address learning ,behaviour and social- emotional needs . They conduct psychological assessments to identify needs and inform interventions. They can also assess for autism ,adhd and specific learning difficulties like dyslexia. They do not diagnosis but can support a child's needs and can forward a referral if needed .
I'm sure they would inform child protection agencies ( tulsa ) if they suspected neglect was the cause of delays and behavioural issues

No. They absolutely do not have the right to do that in Canada. Medical records are private and the responsibility of the health authority. The school will never have anything to do with diagnosis or treatment.

The school may contact the local child welfare branch or services if they have concerns about an issue. They would never contact the health authority.

Yes schools can provide supports and EAs or aides, but the child must have a confirmed diagnosis from the doctors and written confirmation paperwork. Regardless, some diagnoses for certain issues cannot be made until the child is of a certain age, independent of doctors opinions.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Here is what I want to know. Did the "families" (I think is was Family has, personally) lead LE to an area, and the blanket piece happened to be be there? or did the family know the blanket piece was there and that is why they led LE there? I ask because by 6, my D's favorite blanket was shredding and leaving parts here and there. We actually found part of it in a birds nest. We retired it to a zip lock bag before it was completely gone.

So if LE were led to, say, the Bus pickup/drop off place and the blanket piece was just there, would that have been odd? Did she carry it to school? If LE was led to a blanket piece in a not normal place, that would look different to me. Context is everything, IMO.

 

[Bigditch]

did they say they were deceased? or did they say IF the kids went into the woods the liklihood of survival in those conditions was not good. and after so many days theyd likely be deceased. How can they say theyre dead, when they dont have one stitch of evidence, ( as far as we know)
Same as saying they werent abducted as opposed to no evidence of an abduction. doesnt mean they werent abducted, just means they dont have any evidence to indicate it.

My understanding is that LE said it would be hard for LJ to survive for that length of time in the woods.

 

[su5ie]

DBM

 

[atomicsciencegal]

Which brings me back to "customary care". Would she have given them to the Band to protect and raise?

No. Thats not a thing. In fact, I find it very offensive to suggest that. And I’m indigenous Métis.

If she wanted to adopt out to band members or for other family to have guardianship, that’s a simple and legal thing to do in Canada.

Suggesting that a whole tribal band is responsible for hiding these children for 6 weeks when the world is looking for them? Shame on people who are asking this.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Physical improvements to property does not ensure good parenting is in place, nor does a fence. I’d be shocked if that’s all it involved.

In my area, a CPS check could be called if the kids had called in sick more than X days. Or if they wore the same clothes 2 days in a row. Or even if they said "Mommy sleeps a lot", leaving out if Mommy had been sick for three days. There are countless reasons for a check, though. It would be interesting to know the actual complaint.

 

[ttjo]

Here is what I want to know. Did the "families" (I think is was Family has, personally) lead LE to an area, and the blanket piece happened to be be there? or did the family know the blanket piece was there and that is why they led LE there? I ask because by 6, my D's favorite blanket was shredding and leaving parts here and there. We actually found part of it in a birds nest. We retired it to a zip lock bag before it was completely gone.

So if LE were led to, say, the Bus pickup/drop off place and the blanket piece was just there, would that have been odd? Did she carry it to school? If LE was led to a blanket piece in a not normal place, that would look different to me. Context is everything, IMO.

source :MSN

 

[atomicsciencegal]

In my area, a CPS check could be called if the kids had called in sick more than X days. Or if they wore the same clothes 2 days in a row. Or even if they said "Mommy sleeps a lot", leaving out if Mommy had been sick for three days. There are countless reasons for a check, though. It would be interesting to know the actual complaint.I’m not

In my area, a CPS check could be called if the kids had called in sick more than X days. Or if they wore the same clothes 2 days in a row. Or even if they said "Mommy sleeps a lot", leaving out if Mommy had been sick for three days. There are countless reasons for a check, though. It would be interesting to know the actual complaint.

I’m not sure if we are able to know this in Canada? I think the why may be kept private (unless parents are charged with something and then it becomes part of proceedings), but IANAL.

But I have to say - knowing the exact reason is going to shed a whole lot of light on this.This may be helpful for some of our questions.

 

[ttjo]

I’m not sure if we are able to know this in Canada? I think the why may be kept private (unless parents are charged with something and then it becomes part of proceedings), but IANAL.

But I have to say - knowing the exact reason is going to shed a whole lot of light on this.This may be helpful for some of our questions.

even then its private , they never disclose anything involving a child,

 

[atomicsciencegal]

even then its private , they never disclose anything involving a child,

That’s what I thought, as they’re minors. Thanks ttjo.

 

[MistyWaters]

I can't see any reason not to have brought in cadaver dogs by now unless they are absolutely certain that the kids didn't wander off. If they are not certain of that, what could it possibly hurt to bring them in? And it might provide more evidence/indication that something nefarious happened to Lilly and Jack if it were to alert on the house or car.

What other reason might there be not to have brought them in, other than certainty that there would be no point?

Another reason might be it could point towards the children are dead but not to whom murdered them. And I’m just guessing but in a wilderness area surely there’s areas involving the deaths of animals. In a car or house there’d be store bought meat. So are cadaver dogs trained only to detect human remains? i’m thinking not but I don’t know for sure.

 

[su5ie]

Another reason might be it could point towards the children are dead but not to whom murdered them. And I’m just guessing but in a wilderness area surely there’s areas involving the deaths of animals. In a car or house there’d be store bought meat. So are cadaver dogs trained only to detect human remains? i’m thinking not but I don’t know for sure.

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