CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[TMich6811]

I’m sure the teachers were interviewed and perhaps their school records subpoenaed. But MBM nor DM mentioned anything about school in general other than they were falling behind. In my experience children who are falling behind for whatever reason usually are not the type of keeners who eagerly attend school each day. You’re right, often parents threaten children with punishment….”if you don’t get up and go to school, then you can’t have/do/I’ll take away (whatever)”.

I’ve no idea how time-outs are handled in school these days but between Jack throwing his boots at the bus driver to get his attention and Lilly’s dramatic squealing, I’d be very surprised if that sort of behaviour would be tolerated in a classroom. If it had become a common practise, often going to school can becomes extremely frustrating for children when they discover not anything goes.
JMO

These behaviors seem very typical of someone who may have autism or a developmental need which is sounds like is the case.

 

[AddyFinch]

Has it been established children were not wearing coats? And weather conditions that morning?

I don’t think children of that age would go out to play in the backyard in wet cold weather without coats. They would know enough to put one on. They knew enough to put boots on.
If they entered into the bush at that time, they would have been outside longer in the time it took to get to bush, therefore colder, they probably would’ve gone back to get coats, probably struggling with the heavy sliding door, making more noise, but yet no one heard them coming back in? One might start whining from the cold, not whispering, but planning in loud voices. Surely the other person living in trailer would’ve heard them? We don’t know if that person was there or if they heard them.
Was their exit from backyard disclosed, either to bush or to driveway? Possibly through a gate, climbing the fence, or hole in fence, or no fence? Did DM state he was working on the fence the evening prior to the loss of children or was that a rumour? If true it would indeed be coincidental.
If a planned hand off, the parent would’ve put their coats on knowing the weather was damp and cold.
If children were walking down highway at that hour, dressed out of season / character I am sure someone driving, would have pulled over and tended to them.

 

[Ladyotm]

If children were walking down highway at that hour, dressed out of season / character I am sure someone driving, would have pulled over and tended to them.

Is the road their home on heavily traveled? Also, how much of the land across the street was searched? I'm sure helicopters would have flown overhead, but did they search this area on foot?

 

[su5ie]

From what I can see apart from the boots , bag and lilly wearing pink and jack in a pull up I don't think a full definitive description of what the kids were wearing has been gathered or released .

One would expect at least an image of clothing replicates to be on view by now . Brand and image of pull up to be displayed on missing page too .

 

[abanddb123]

I would love to know what the locals think.

 

[lonetraveler]

This case is really getting on my nerves. What the heck is going on here?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It was our first stretch of daytime sunny, warm weather when they went missing. The nights were still cold, dangerously so, on the first night they went missing.

Local temperatures: high of 10°C on May 2nd, low of 1°C. It rained the second day of the search on May 3rd, high of 16°C, low of 6°C.

Caribou Point weather station, Pictou, historical data.

 

[AddyFinch]

Thanks for posting. Wow, so 7.7c, slightly humid a 0800 hrs.WeatherPoor little kids.

 

[Ontario Mom]

This case is really getting on my nerves. What the heck is going on here?

I'm sure we'd all like to know what really went down & where those babies are.

 

[ttjo]

This case is really getting on my nerves. What the heck is going on here?

Getting on my nerves too. People keep coming out of the woodwork to add something to the story, usually presenting a whole new angle. You never know what's true and what isn't.
Is this what offering a reward does?

 

[AddyFinch]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

FWIW- some maps.

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Stills from:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6805395

Those are images of the pipeline trail, approximately 1.2 kms from the family home and where a boot print was found. Judging from how leafy and green the foliage is, the video was taken sometime in June, imo. The trail is broader than I imagined. On the maps it looks as wide as a typical two-lane highway, but it may be a bit wider.

DM said a piece of what he believes to be Lilly’s blanket was found by the family in the area of the pipeline trail and Lansdowne Road, close to where a child’s boot print was found by searchers. (That’s where DM places it, LE has only said a boot print was found on the pipeline trail).
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Google maps image.

The small pin is where the family home is, the pipeline is highlighted in yellow, and the large pin is where Lansdowne Road intersects with the pipeline.

I’m not convinced yet it was part of Lilly’s blanket because LE haven’t confirmed it. But if the boot print was found in that location maybe Lilly and Jack walked on Gairloch Road to Lansdowne Road and walked northeast.
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That is the most direct route to their school in Salt Springs. Lilly took her backpack, which I’m guessing was what she took to school with her pencil case, workbooks etc., imo.

Now I’m taking what DM has said about the location where the piece of blanket was found with a grain of salt.

What he said about it:

"Families (should likely read ‘family’s’) brought us to a location there not far away that there's a piece of a blanket which the mother says she believes belongs to her daughter, just off the road here," an official said over the radio.

Martell confirmed it was a piece of Lilly's blanket.

"There is more evidence than what the public knows, but I can't elaborate on any of that," said Martell.

He did say it was found on Lansdowne Road near the location of a child-sized bootprint that was discovered around the same time by searchers in the area of a pipeline trail, just over a kilometre from the children's home.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

I cannot link them because they’re not MSM sources, but family members are saying the piece of blanket was found on Lansdowne Station Road. That also aligns with the police radio chatter, that it was found ‘close by’, not 1.2 kms away.

Lansdowne Station Road and its proximity to the family home.

The RCMP’s command centre was also on Lansdowne Station Road.

 

[Serononin]

Good thinking on the backpack

Part of me thinks lilly wanted to go to school or maybe was unaware she was being kept home and headed out to school bus and jack followed her .

Certain points could make this scenario obsolete like if they were always accompanied to the bus by an adult or they were told the evening before that they would not be in school . I wonder if lilly asked DM that morning what time it was at any stage going in and out of the room .

I have grandchildren of lilly and Jack's age and I'm trying to think why a child would venture out so far as to get lost . Scenarios I can think of is trying to see a friend to play , being promised a nearby excursion and being too excited to wait for the adults , following an animal , collecting nature bits getting distracted and lost k, going to the playground without telling if they were grounded or told because sick they had to stay in . boredom and doing any of the above . Seeing something the day before and wanting to go see if they could spot it again .

Children of that age don't really have the confidence to go on a long hike far from the safety of home or a parent . It would not be like an older child or teen that gets up to all sorts exploring Lots of kids will get lost in a crowded place like a shopping mall as they are easily distracted but in general out in the open they tend to stay within view of whatever they deem as safety .

I wouldn't rule out them being within a half of kilometre from the home . Humans aren't static pieces so the kids could well have been missed by searchers in a specific search area
or not in it at all but once searchers moved on the kids returned to it . Almost encircling each other but never meeting . Because in fairness the search got underway quickly.

They also could have hid after hearing the shouting and commotion and being too frightened to reveal themselves succumbed to the elements . But would hunger not make them come out if they could see people searching

I wonder if Lilly could tell time by herself yet? I remember I learned when I was about her age

 

[Serononin]

Has it been established children were not wearing coats? And weather conditions that morning?

I don’t think children of that age would go out to play in the backyard in wet cold weather without coats. They would know enough to put one on. They knew enough to put boots on.
If they entered into the bush at that time, they would have been outside longer in the time it took to get to bush, therefore colder, they probably would’ve gone back to get coats, probably struggling with the heavy sliding door, making more noise, but yet no one heard them coming back in? One might start whining from the cold, not whispering, but planning in loud voices. Surely the other person living in trailer would’ve heard them? We don’t know if that person was there or if they heard them.
Was their exit from backyard disclosed, either to bush or to driveway? Possibly through a gate, climbing the fence, or hole in fence, or no fence? Did DM state he was working on the fence the evening prior to the loss of children or was that a rumour? If true it would indeed be coincidental.
If a planned hand off, the parent would’ve put their coats on knowing the weather was damp and cold.
If children were walking down highway at that hour, dressed out of season / character I am sure someone driving, would have pulled over and tended to them.

I guess depending on how old DM's mother is, she could be hard of hearing (not that you have to be elderly to lose your hearing, of course - my own grandma went deaf in her 30s)

 

[Ontario Mom]

Getting on my nerves too. People keep coming out of the woodwork to add something to the story, usually presenting a whole new angle. You never know what's true and what isn't.
Is this what offering a reward does?

I haven't seen any new information/new angle so I'm not sure what you mean?

 

[ilovepierre]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

Like a hoax?

If so, all the players involved should be charged for wasting RCMP’s time.

IMO

 

[ilovepierre]

I wonder if Lilly could tell time by herself yet? I remember I learned when I was about her age

She may have been able to read a digital clock, IMO.

 

[su5ie]

She may have been able to read a digital clock, IMO.

Because the children were deemed to be behind their peers in school I had surmised that prehaps telling the time was something the kids may not have grasped yet . Autistic children can sometimes find it difficult comprehending time too

 

[su5ie]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

Hope you enjoy your trip .

Hoaxes in child disappearances are not unheard of eg being Shannon Matthews in UK. But generally its done to gain sympathy or money and the obvious I suppose hiding kids from a bio parent in a custody battle

I haven't seen enough evidence of any of the above , no media appearance by mum anyway , no continuity of interviews with family members crying crocodile tears and AFAIK, no legit go fund me or custody battle .

Only scenario where I could see MBM hiding kids for a reason that would be valid in her mind and from the known information and speculation of possible DV being a factor . Is if cps said they were taking the children into care or she felt she needed to flee Daniel and couldn't if lilly and jack were present.

But would even say an uneducated person with no knowledge of the law continue to keep up the pretence if fleeing a DV situation if they were now safe with their family I personally don't think so . If the objective was escape and to ensure the safety of you and your children .once that goal was achieved on the 3rd / 4th of May there would be no need to mislead investigators because it would have the complete opposite effect , you would be at risk of ending up in prison and your children removed from the home on the grounds of you being mentally unstable and possibly a risk to the mental stability of your kids

I feel the mentioning of prior cps involvement was mentioned in msm and verified by LE for a reason other than just to casually make it known . There is more to that snippet of information than is being said imo

Understanding the CPS Case Process: A Family's Guide

Learn about the CPS case process: from report to resolution.

texascpslawyer.net

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/108768NCJRS.pdf

When Your Child Is Missing: A Family Survival Guide

 

[su5ie]

I guess depending on how old DM's mother is, she could be hard of hearing (not that you have to be elderly to lose your hearing, of course - my own grandma went deaf in her 30s)

I'm surprised DM has not made any comment regarding his mum even just a casual mention of she is so upset or in shock