CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[TMich6811]

Possible the 3rd would stay due to a change in living situation aside with MBMs mother’s supervision.

Someone must’ve said Daniel couldn’t ‘have her’ as according to him he wasn’t allowed to see his daughter. We dont know the situation with Child Welfare but he may’ve been a concern. Umpteen possibilities without more information.
JMO

IMO
If J and L were being placed into foster care, it would likely be required M would be also. If her mom agreed to kinship (as a foster replacement) prior to the kids missing, Daniel would have already been aware. It wouldn’t have been something new. Which is how he has presented it.

I do believe her mother has supervised guardianship, I just don’t believe that was in place prior to this. I think it’s as a result of this.

 

[TMich6811]

IMO
If J and L were being placed into foster care, it would likely be required M would be also. If her mom agreed to kinship (as a foster replacement) prior to the kids missing, Daniel would have already been aware. It wouldn’t have been something new. Which is how he has presented it.

I do believe her mother has supervised guardianship, I just don’t believe that was in place prior to this. I think it’s as a result of this.

Also just a follow up to this that if J and L bio dad had any kind of custody he would have been notified of that also and bio grandmother on side likely asked for kinship assuming this is similar to US anyway. I don’t know that we’ve had confirmation that bio dad didn’t have any custody just that he wasn’t actively having physical custody

 

[MistyWaters]

Also just a follow up to this that if J and L bio dad had any kind of custody he would have been notified of that also and bio grandmother on side likely asked for kinship assuming this is similar to US anyway. I don’t know that we’ve had confirmation that bio dad didn’t have any custody just that he wasn’t actively having physical custody

The paternal grandmother stated MBM was granted sole custody of the two eldest and her son had stepped away.

 

[ttjo]

I thought it made sense because it was really bothering me that MBM had meadow and Daniel said he couldnt see her So i thought if he cant have access but she can, its either b/c something came up against Daniel or she can stay with meadow under a supervision order and it would be considered supervised ( by her mother) who would be responsible for meadow.

 

[TMich6811]

The paternal grandmother stated MBM was granted sole custody of the two eldest and her son had stepped away.

Thanks, I didn’t watch that or get all of the details from it. She could have still been utilized for kinship but we don’t know that she wasn’t asked either.

 

[Bigditch]

Thanks, I didn’t watch that or get all of the details from it. She could have still been utilized for kinship but we don’t know that she wasn’t asked

Dbm

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks, I didn’t watch that or get all of the details from it. She could have still been utilized for kinship but we don’t know that she wasn’t asked either.

According to BG, there was no contact at all after MBM moved in with DM,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400

 

[Catcity]

In a poll what would people tick .

Kids wandered off □
Homicide direct or indirect □
Handover □
Abduction □
Other □ and what is your theory

2 I think the SAR lady saying she believes the kids are still out there wasn’t really allowed to say anything different. It’s not her job to speculate on other theories, and her comment gave a lot of people hope. But I’m not sure if that was her genuine opinion or just the safest thing to say to the news to avoid getting in trouble or dragged into the circus

 

[HockeyMomDiva]

I check this thread regularly. I may have missed it, but do we know their attendance record in general? Meaning, were they frequently absent? Was this a pattern established before they disappeared?

 

[Serononin]

RS&BBM:

JMO It looks like there is a lot happening on their property. I see lots of brush and "hiding places", vehicles, tools, equipment.

Sadly, I'd considered this as well. Even something like a tool, cleaning chemicals or equipment etc.


RBBM

Hmm... Was Jack wearing a pull up from the previous evening? Just thinking that by 9 or 10 a.m children have usually had their breakfast, washed up and are on the move.

Stupid question: Did the bus make its regular stop at their house despite the kids not attending school that day? Sorry if this has been established already!

Neither parent mentioned anything about washing/dressing/feeding the kids in their description of that morning, so unless they were able to dress themselves (can any parents here chime in on how old their kids were when they first started getting dressed on their own?), I would assume that anything they were wearing was from the night before.

I don't know about the bus, I would guess it didn't stop since the school had been notified that they weren't coming in, but that it most likely went past the house to pick up the next kid(s) on the route? I seem to remember reading that the bus driver gave an interview to the media early on, so it's possible he mentioned that, but I don't remember the details

 

[Serononin]

I have a hard time with this theory, at least the way you explained it. If this was the case, why wouldn't MBM have just taken Meadow and left with the person who picked up J&L? Why go back inside and pretend to be in an out of sleep? Why stage a disappearance? They weren't DM's children so she can leave with them at any point if she wanted to get away from DM. If she's trying to protect J&L from their biodad and family, why not tell DM this information? There's always the chance that she did tell him and he's in on it I guess. She'd have a harder time walking away with Meadow, but it doesn't appear that DM made that very difficult for her once the disappearance came to light (which also makes me question if there was a handoff, if he was involved/knew about it). However, if it was a staged handoff, I do agree that someone would have likely said "hey, the kids are safe and the case is closed."

I agree. I feel like if you're trying to escape with your kids (either from your current partner or a former one) or to hide the children from someone/something, you're wanting to lay low as much as possible and not draw any unnecessary attention. Staging a disappearance, quite apart from the legal trouble you'd be in if you were found out, means thousands of eyes on you, as well as making it much more likely that whoever you're trying to get the kids away from will find them, seeing as they've now got massive police resources on the case

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Neither parent mentioned anything about washing/dressing/feeding the kids in their description of that morning, so unless they were able to dress themselves (can any parents here chime in on how old their kids were when they first started getting dressed on their own?), I would assume that anything they were wearing was from the night before.

I don't know about the bus, I would guess it didn't stop since the school had been notified that they weren't coming in, but that it most likely went past the house to pick up the next kid(s) on the route? I seem to remember reading that the bus driver gave an interview to the media early on, so it's possible he mentioned that, but I don't remember the details

My 4 year old daughter dresses herself every morning. I don’t think my boys were at that age.

 

[su5ie]

BBM:

Yes there are multiple agencies but they cooperate with one another. Most of the time things are handled internally within whichever "jurisdiction" (speaking as a non-Indigenous Canadian layperson). From my understanding, it's very case-by-case and each family has it's own unique set of circumstances which is always given consideration.

FWIW From what I understand, it would NOT be considered clandestine (and may be potentially harmful terminology).

We would need an expert to weigh in on this. MOO.

Sorry I'm not being provocative, I thought clandestine meant secretive with an illegal undertone . My meaning in including the word was an alleged/ speculated handover might have been done secretively and with the illegal part meaning reporting the children as missing when one knows they are not . In the nicest possible way I'm asking how can it be harmful terminology. Can you please explain to me as its the first time I've used the word in relation to missing children thank you

Just for context I used the word in relation to Band members NOT engaging in clandestine handovers

 

[su5ie]

Neither parent mentioned anything about washing/dressing/feeding the kids in their description of that morning, so unless they were able to dress themselves (can any parents here chime in on how old their kids were when they first started getting dressed on their own?), I would assume that anything they were wearing was from the night before.

I don't know about the bus, I would guess it didn't stop since the school had been notified that they weren't coming in, but that it most likely went past the house to pick up the next kid(s) on the route? I seem to remember reading that the bus driver gave an interview to the media early on, so it's possible he mentioned that, but I don't remember the details

My neurotypical grandsons could dress themselves at 2/3 years old . Many neurodivergent children can't coordinate dressing and need help but I'm sure there is children in that category that have no problems dressing.

In general from what I've experienced, some of the red flags For a child's possible need for an autism / special needs assessment would be not reaching the milestones expected for their age , so walking , talking, toilet training , independent dressing and learning difficulties.

Learning difficulties in a child with autism is not often a display of rate of intelligence. They often are highly intelligent and just find it difficult to apply that knowledge in a setting that's rigid and has a rote learning system like school . Some autistic children learn better visually. So visual aids are used instead of just being told . Many do have intellectual disabilities but many more have higher and average intelligence

Examples of visual aids might be flashcards with a picture of a task for example dressing will have individual cards for the stages of dressing. First card will display a picture of a child putting on a vest ,second card pants and so on . Tasks we take for granted and deem them as one action tasks need to be broken down into individual actions for many neurodivergent children .

Putting on a coat for example will be done laying it upside down on a flat surface such as the floor and putting hands into sleeves and flipping over head . This method doesn't involve the need to coordinate the actions of both sides of the body .

Socks and shoes ,buttons and laces are very difficult to coordinate as they involve fine motor skills which many autistic children have difficulties with .

 

[su5ie]

In all of my speculating the thought in the fore front of my mind is , the reward is not being offered without RCMP having suspicion of foul play . It is not offered for cases of children or adults whom are under the assumption of they just wandered of and got lost imo

 

[su5ie]

Does MBM leaving search area and DM relationship and remaining silent ( I'm still shocked by her silence)indicate DM as somehow implicated in the disappearance? For me it certainly adds a layer of suspicion about him .

 

[Serononin]

My neurotypical grandsons could dress themselves at 2/3 years old . Many neurodivergent children can't coordinate dressing and need help but I'm sure there is children in that category that have no problems dressing.

In general from what I've experienced, some of the red flags For a child's possible need for an autism / special needs assessment would be not reaching the milestones expected for their age , so walking , talking, toilet training , independent dressing and learning difficulties.

Learning difficulties in a child with autism is not often a display of rate of intelligence. They often are highly intelligent and just find it difficult to apply that knowledge in a setting that's rigid and has a rote learning system like school . Some autistic children learn better visually. So visual aids are used instead of just being told . Many do have intellectual disabilities but many more have higher and average intelligence

Examples of visual aids might be flashcards with a picture of a task for example dressing will have individual cards for the stages of dressing. First card will display a picture of a child putting on a vest ,second card pants and so on . Tasks we take for granted and deem them as one action tasks need to be broken down into individual actions for many neurodivergent children .

Putting on a coat for example will be done laying it upside down on a flat surface such as the floor and putting hands into sleeves and flipping over head . This method doesn't involve the need to coordinate the actions of both sides of the body .

Socks and shoes ,buttons and laces are very difficult to coordinate as they involve fine motor skills which many autistic children have difficulties with .

Thanks for the information!! I remember being taught the 'flipping over the head' method to put on my coat in pre-school when I was about 3, my parents were very impressed when I demonstrated it to them

 

[Slebby]

I check this thread regularly. I may have missed it, but do we know their attendance record in general? Meaning, were they frequently absent? Was this a pattern established before they disappeared?

I have wondered this too. I also wonder if there has been any other mention of possible autism - from teachers or other school personnel, people with the training and experience to know. When MBM described them as “undiagnosed autistic” it seems to have become a forgone conclusion. We don’t even know if it’s true. IMO.

 

[ilovepierre]

In a poll what would people tick .

Kids wandered off □
Homicide direct or indirect □
Handover □
Abduction □
Other □ and what is your theory

I’d say homicide

IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I have wondered this too. I also wonder if there has been any other mention of possible autism - from teachers or other school personnel, people with the training and experience to know. When MBM described them as “undiagnosed autistic” it seems to have become a forgone conclusion. We don’t even know if it’s true. IMO.

No we don’t but MBM did mention they were behind other children in school. So it appears there was cause for concern and a situation that required attention but the children had not been taken to be officially diagnosed by medical experts. Why that would be could be perceived as a lack of parental concern for the well-being of the child,

I would think an official diagnosis is required before a school is granted funding to hire additional aids to support a child’s learning journey. Prior to that teachers usually don't have time to devote a lot of personal attention to students with special needs which can cause disruptions in the classroom.
JMO