CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[Twistinginthewind]

This is a pretty terrible possibility and probably makes no sense to the average person, but what if Lilly and Jack were 'no longer wanted' by their mom and stepdad (or bio dad)?

So they were given away to an underground/blackmarket/trafficking type of system for money or other recompense or even for nothing, because they just couldn't deal with parenting them anymore? Of these possibilities, I would think they got $$/could have sold them. Two young healthy children might be worth a lot of $$ at their ages, still young enough to be raised by a stranger and eventually forget their birth family and somewhat malleable/controllable being at such a tender young age.

And/or there was child neglect and/or abuse and they decided it was time to call the whole thing off, i.e., parenting Lilly & Jack properly/lovingly/patiently was just altogether beyond them.

And/or they wanted to focus on the child they had together.

And/or they were about to break up, and neither of them felt they could deal with or afford to care for and raise all 3 children.

Hence they could have been avoiding the assessments/school/CPS looking any closer at their situation, and referring to them as talking your ear off or however they put it, and felt like they needed to silence them/get rid of them to make their own lives easier before anything got worse and they would be in trouble and just focus on the toddler they had together IIRC.

This possibility makes more sense to me now that so much time has passed, LE doesn't think they were in the woods, and with their mother taking off right away after their disappearance and not speaking publicly about them and her hopes for their safe return AFAIK.

JMM (just my musings) and MOO

 

[missourimom2]

So they were given away to an underground/blackmarket/trafficking type of system for money or other recompense or even for nothing, because they just couldn't deal with parenting them anymore? Of these possibilities, I would think they got $$/could have sold them. Two young healthy children might be worth a lot of $$ at their ages, still young enough to be raised by a stranger and eventually forget their birth family and somewhat malleable/controllable being at such a tender young age.

I’ve wondered this off and on, too. It sounds far fetched, but sadly it does happen.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Yes I had read it was a scale in which the likes hasn't been seen previously in that area of Canada in particular.

I've no doubt LE are throwing everything at the case including the kitchen sink [sic] and the fact that they are and I gather that there is certain things the public aren't informed of and I guess in all honesty why should they keep us updated we are not close relatives but , imo this is not a missing persons investigation . It is a missing persons with probable homicide .

I'm sorry now to add this and I really dislike trolling a grieving mother but jesus wake up and plead for your kids or at least be a visible presence in the search and investigation for them . Sure she doesn't owe Joe Public or the media one iota of engagement but allegedly not speaking with the RCMP in almost 2 and half months !!! Astounding in the circumstances.

Imo she invited the speculation of her involvement by her actions from day 2 right up until the present moment . No wonder fb , ig and twitter are on fire with rumour and accusations. IMHO she is allowing People to be monetizing on not only herself but her vulnerable missing children by her reluctance to engage and be a voice for those children in a complete and utter cesspool of dis - information. It's crazy .

Sorry for the rant but my god when the voice of two beautiful children is a grandmother who hasn't seen her grandchildren in two years and a questionable relative named derrin G . What impression does it give and don't come at me with she is entitled to privacy . I know that but there is laid back and or needing privacy and there is not giving a

GREAT post! 100% agree!

 

[Sjöberg]

Before the grandmothers video, I thought it's either 1) kids get lost in the woods or 2) homicide by someone in their immediate circle. Or maybe an opportunistic something.
Now as the reported timeline makes getting lost increasingly unlikely, I lean towards homicide by someone in their immediate circle. Or maybe getting lost or opportunistic something.
Because If the timeline is true, there is no time for them to get lost. If the timeline is faulty, then someone in the family has fabricated the timeline for some reason (and possibly fed it to others).

Based on the actions of these closest to the kids, I feel like we are missing some key information here. There is no clear suspect or motive, it's all murky. Nothing really makes sense.

 

[su5ie]

Before the grandmothers video, I thought it's either 1) kids get lost in the woods or 2) homicide by someone in their immediate circle. Or maybe an opportunistic something.
Now as the reported timeline makes getting lost increasingly unlikely, I lean towards homicide by someone in their immediate circle. Or maybe getting lost or opportunistic something.
Because If the timeline is true, there is no time for them to get lost. If the timeline is faulty, then someone in the family has fabricated the timeline for some reason (and possibly fed it to others).

Based on the actions of these closest to the kids, I feel like we are missing some key information here. There is no clear suspect or motive, it's all murky. Nothing really makes sense.

Agree with all this . It's the timeline that's causing the most confusion for me .

I know children can disappearance from view in a split second but in general its in a crowded place ( see Jamie bolger uk ) . According to the tight timeline , no one apparently around and unless the kids were given cause to wander far enough that Daniel couldn't hear or find them. I don't see them getting far enough
I will add searchers can miss people and their remains found at a later date

I would be really interested to know what time the thermal imagery cameras scanned the dense forest

 

[justice2962]

Did you notice the older man with the yellow shirt walking away at about 2:28? No idea who he is, JM didn’t mention anyone lived with her.

I noticed the man and for whatever reason, I immediately thought it was Darin Geddes

 

[iveyguy]

I immediately thought it was Darin Geddes

I believe you are 100% correct!!! There's a second CBC video in which Geddes is interviewed (1:27 mark): https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6837619
Compare that guy to the person in the yellow shirt at 2:28 in the longer video... and there's no doubt: the curly thinning white hair and the gait are identical.

 

[ilovepierre]

Is there a time line on issuing an Amber Alert? Could they still do it now? Or how about a missing person billboard or poster campaign. What caused LE to not take these steps? In not doing so, what reasons did they have for this quick decision?
I've seen road checks for things like this, even if just done for a few hours in the window of opportunity. Radio campaigns, alerting all departments and nearby provinces. Or did we just not hear it being out of community?

Criteria wasn’t met for an AA.

 

[Inthedetails]

I believe you are 100% correct!!! There's a second CBC video in which Geddes is interviewed (1:27 mark): https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6837619
Compare that guy to the person in the yellow shirt at 2:28 in the longer video... and there's no doubt: the curly thinning white hair and the gait are identical.

And that would be weird, right?

jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

And that would be weird, right?

jmo

If he's family, why would it be weird that he's there for this interview?

 

[iveyguy]

Yeah, it's weird. He's related to MBM's family, not DM's. JM kicked his cousin** off the property on Day Two. CBC chose not to acknowledge this and presented his interview separately from JM's interview, without that context. The fact that some members of both families are "collaborating" is relevant, IMO. That being said, we've yet to establish whether Mr. Geddes has any evidence of value. CBC interviewed him but didn't air or reveal anything relevant to the case, just that he was feeling "rage" that the RCMP didn't take him seriously.

** According to CBC, DG is MBM's grandmother's first cousin; thus MBM's mother's "first cousin, once removed"

 

[RandyMcDonald]

This is a pretty terrible possibility and probably makes no sense to the average person, but what if Lilly and Jack were 'no longer wanted' by their mom and stepdad (or bio dad)?

So they were given away to an underground/blackmarket/trafficking type of system for money or other recompense or even for nothing, because they just couldn't deal with parenting them anymore? Of these possibilities, I would think they got $$/could have sold them. Two young healthy children might be worth a lot of $$ at their ages, still young enough to be raised by a stranger and eventually forget their birth family and somewhat malleable/controllable being at such a tender young age.

And/or there was child neglect and/or abuse and they decided it was time to call the whole thing off, i.e., parenting Lilly & Jack properly/lovingly/patiently was just altogether beyond them.

And/or they wanted to focus on the child they had together.

And/or they were about to break up, and neither of them felt they could deal with or afford to care for and raise all 3 children.

Hence they could have been avoiding the assessments/school/CPS looking any closer at their situation, and referring to them as talking your ear off or however they put it, and felt like they needed to silence them/get rid of them to make their own lives easier before anything got worse and they would be in trouble and just focus on the toddler they had together IIRC.

This possibility makes more sense to me now that so much time has passed, LE doesn't think they were in the woods, and with their mother taking off right away after their disappearance and not speaking publicly about them and her hopes for their safe return AFAIK.

JMM (just my musings) and MOO

Is there any evidence that such networks actually exist?

The closest I have heard of this are the networks for "rehoming" adopted children, children with difficulties being traded.

https://afth.org/rehoming-what-is-it-and-what-can-we-do-to-stop-it/

 

[thelesis]

OT. In Canada 45,000 children are reported missing each year, that’s one every 11 minutes.

https://www.victimsweek.gc.ca/symp-colloque/presentation/pdf/search-program.pdf

2024 Fast Fact Sheet

55% of missing children/youth reports in 2024 were removed from CPIC within 24 hours, while 90% were removed within a week

72% of all missing children/youth subjects in 2024 were identified as runaways, 57% of whom were female

MCSC - Resources

In 2023, there were 50 reported stranger child abductions in Canada.

The media likes to grab on to the sensational cases. Of course Jack and Lilly could be one of the ~50 stranger abductions, but IMO we don't talk enough about how rare they are.

Edit: I just took an even closer look at the tables provided in my first source. There were 391 children in the 2024 'Wandered off/lost' category, versus 60 in the 'Human trafficking' category and 25 in the 'Abduction by stranger' category.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Criteria wasn’t met for an AA.

It does really seem that, if anything was done to the children, it was probably done by someone in the community. The odds of a random predator venturing down obscure back roads in rural Nova Scotia and happening upon two children would presumably be very low.

 

[MistyWaters]

2024 Fast Fact Sheet

MCSC - Resources

The media likes to grab on to the sensational cases. Of course Jack and Lilly could be one of the ~50 stranger abductions, but IMO we don't talk enough about how rare they are.

Edit: I just took an even closer look at the tables provided in my first source. There were 391 children in the 2024 'Wandered off/lost' category, versus 60 in the 'Human trafficking' category and 25 in the 'Abduction by stranger' category.

Thank you. The point I was hoping to make was it would be impossible for an Amber Alert to be issued for every missing child without any evidence of abduction, as was the case when Lilly and Jack went missing.

 

[Serononin]

It does really seem that, if anything was done to the children, it was probably done by someone in the community. The odds of a random predator venturing down obscure back roads in rural Nova Scotia and happening upon two children would presumably be very low.

I'd be very interested to know what the feeling is among locals about this case, especially since it's such a small community

 

[missourimom2]

Is there any evidence that such networks actually exist?

The closest I have heard of this are the networks for "rehoming" adopted children, children with difficulties being traded.

https://afth.org/rehoming-what-is-it-and-what-can-we-do-to-stop-it/

I’ve heard of *illegal* adoptions happening with older children. I watched something awhile ago where predators were the ones taking in children. I would share a link, but I don’t remember where I saw it or what it was called. Maybe someone here has seen it and could help.
My friend took in a teen girl whose parent had tried to sell her years previous.
Legal adoptions are a long process with many hoops to jump through, but with very good reasons.

 

[AddyFinch]

It does really seem that, if anything was done to the children, it was probably done by someone in the community. The odds of a random predator venturing down obscure back roads in rural Nova Scotia and happening upon two children would presumably be very low.

Agree, that is why I keep pondering the flurry of attempted abductions and the arrests of those 2 men lately. Could they have taken those kids? If so, where are they?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Yeah, it's weird. He's related to MBM's family, not DM's. JM kicked his cousin** off the property on Day Two. CBC chose not to acknowledge this and presented his interview separately from JM's interview, without that context. The fact that some members of both families are "collaborating" is relevant, IMO. That being said, we've yet to establish whether Mr. Geddes has any evidence of value. CBC interviewed him but didn't air or reveal anything relevant to the case, just that he was feeling "rage" that the RCMP didn't take him seriously.

** According to CBC, DG is MBM's grandmother's first cousin; thus MBM's mother's "first cousin, once removed"

And yet, at least according to this video, he was at JM's property. So if it's not weird to her (and it didn't appear to be) then why is it weird to onlookers?

 

[AddyFinch]

This is a pretty terrible possibility and probably makes no sense to the average person, but what if Lilly and Jack were 'no longer wanted' by their mom and stepdad (or bio dad)?

Yes, this is a possibility, sad but true. Can't be ruled out.