CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

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So another week and no more news where are those kids and why is there no one speaking up for them . Its crazy .it's like the only avenue I can see the rcmp taking is searching the woods every now and then

I suspect in 5 or 10 years time some hunter may stumble across whatever may be left of remains other than that scenario I don't think they will be found because I can't think of what the rcmp could do that they haven't already done regarding searching the area .

Did the kids somehow navigate the debris on the forest floor and the uneven terrain better than the searchers and somehow travelled further than the kms already searched .

PBMH mentioned last weekend a cadaver dog going in during the week has that happened I wonder
 
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So another week and no more news where are those kids and why is there no one speaking up for them . Its crazy .it's like the only avenue I can see the rcmp taking is searching the woods every now and then

I suspect in 5 or 10 years time some hunter may stumble across whatever may be left of remains other than that scenario I don't think they will be found because I can't think of what the rcmp could do that they haven't already done regarding searching the area .

Did the kids somehow navigate the debris on the forest floor and the uneven terrain better than the searchers and somehow travelled further than the kms already searched .

PBMH mentioned last weekend a cadaver dog going in during the week has that happened I wonder
I believe this case will be solved.

I also think that no one is currently advocating or speaking out on behalf of Lilly & Jack because, not unlike this forum, there are differences of opinion.

The climate in Pictou County has forever changed. Jmo
 
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So another week and no more news where are those kids and why is there no one speaking up for them . Its crazy .it's like the only avenue I can see the rcmp taking is searching the woods every now and then

I suspect in 5 or 10 years time some hunter may stumble across whatever may be left of remains other than that scenario I don't think they will be found because I can't think of what the rcmp could do that they haven't already done regarding searching the area .

Did the kids somehow navigate the debris on the forest floor and the uneven terrain better than the searchers and somehow travelled further than the kms already searched .

PBMH mentioned last weekend a cadaver dog going in during the week has that happened I wonder

These precious children are not simply lost in the woods. It is pretty much impossible at this point. They would have been found already. The only logical conclusion is that they have met with foul play. I can only hope that the RCMP is exploring every possibility.
 
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IMO:

If:
The clump of 2 different child-sized boot prints (which IIRC, the RCMP stated were coincident with their actual boot sizes) were not "planted there" on the pipeline trail by someone purposely as "false evidence" they had been on foot there that day/recently...

Then:
An adult with average or greater upper body strength capable of carrying them a distance to their vehicle, could have first subdued Lilly and Jack at or near home, and then driven them to the pipeline trail and dropped them off there while they were subdued but still alive. And the boot prints were actual physical evidence of them struggling to get free from some type of physical encumberance.

Such as:
If they were already subdued by drugs or physical violence at or near home (or even believed to be completely unconcious or deceased by someone who in a panic or not miscalculated the level of subduing) they could have then been "contained" -- e.g., rolled up in rugs, carpeting, sleeping bags, tarps, bedding, adult-sized clothing, etc. -- for transport/the drive to the pipeline trail location of the boot prints, and dropped there where they regained conciousness and/or were startled awake by being dropped from vehicle height with enough force to make the imprints in the soil, and they could have made those prints as they were fighting for their lives trying to wiggle their way out by their feet of whatever they were wrapped in if they were dropped there.

IMO, it's possible, if this occurred -- foul play by an adult with access to them/their home/property who subdued them & took them away in a vehicle -- that it was a dropoff point far enough from people at home and/or in the neighborhood for voices and/or sounds of human struggle such as crying, moaning, screaming to go largely unnoticed, and it was a chosen location where they had more privacy where they could do whatever was done to them in a more isolated setting.

If this scenario is one explanation for the bootprints to be there and they were Lilly and Jack's from while they were alive but captives, it tears me up to consider the possibilities of what could have happened from there... but they could have been further subdued there, and taken anywhere near or far.

Linked to this line of thought, i's always been a concern of mine that per RCMP personnel onsite that day, as stated in MSM linked way upthread -- that when LE told their mother where they were searching for Lilly and Jack and said it included along the pipeline trail -- she reportedly immediately reacted with heightened emotion & ran back to the house & was inconsolable after that (paraphrasing) & left soon after with her mother, never to return.

If her reaction to the search location including the pipeline trail was the way it seems, it has always made me wonder if there was significance that hit her on that location, as to it being possibly a frightening prospect if she thought they may have gone or been there...

Perhaps there was local wisdom about it or a sense of it being a location where bad things could happen or would be threatening to lost/wandering children in some way or where they weren't allowed to go because there was danger of falling into icy waters.

I just don't know if it makes sense in that frame or is totally off the mark for her to have reportedly reacted like that.

JMO
 
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Linked to this line of thought, i's always been a concern of mine that per RCMP personnel onsite that day, as stated in MSM linked way upthread -- that when LE told their mother where they were searching for Lilly and Jack and said it included along the pipeline trail -- she reportedly immediately reacted with heightened emotion & ran back to the house & was inconsolable after that (paraphrasing) & left soon after with her mother, never to return.
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Sadly, it feels like the search for Jack and Lily has stalled. I WISH that LE would release more information!
 
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If her reaction to the search location including the pipeline trail was the way it seems, it has always made me wonder if there was significance that hit her on that location, as to it being possibly a frightening prospect if she thought they may have gone or been there...

Perhaps there was local wisdom about it or a sense of it being a location where bad things could happen or would be threatening to lost/wandering children in some way or where they weren't allowed to go because there was danger of falling into icy waters.

I just don't know if it makes sense in that frame or is totally off the mark for her to have reportedly reacted like that.

JMO

Her leaving with her mother was not related to that, though. I wonder if CPS was involved or what but apparently there was a debate on whether she should go with DM's family or her mother. MBM decided it was best to go with her mother and that, in my opinion, is why she blocked DM.... she didn't want to argue about it. He was begging her to stay. But that was her decision.

I totally do not understand the complete lack of access to Meadow for DM, though. What is up with that? There sure seems to be some CPS involvement and things going on we do not know about.
 
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Her leaving with her mother was not related to that, though. I wonder if CPS was involved or what but apparently there was a debate on whether she should go with DM's family or her mother. MBM decided it was best to go with her mother and that, in my opinion, is why she blocked DM.... she didn't want to argue about it. He was begging her to stay. But that was her decision.

I totally do not understand the complete lack of access to Meadow for DM, though. What is up with that? There sure seems to be some CPS involvement and things going on we do not know about.
Never heard about a debate going with dm family.
 
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Never heard about a debate going with dm family.

Unfortunately I cannot provide a link... but in the court documents, around May 4th or so:

"she said there is currently a lot of conflict between her and Daniel's side of the family. [...] Daniel's family wanted her to bring the baby and stay with them, but she thought the correct decision was to stay with her mother."
 
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Unfortunately I cannot provide a link... but in the court documents, around May 4th or so:

"she said there is currently a lot of conflict between her and Daniel's side of the family. [...] Daniel's family wanted her to bring the baby and stay with them, but she thought the correct decision was to stay with her mother."
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While I was looking for the above document BCslueth, I glanced at this page from the documents.

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It states Maleyha tucked jack into bed he had his dinosaur and blanket and she shut his door , then there is a part redacted and then it goes on to say Lilly had her backpack .

I wonder what was redacted that would be an invasion of privacy 🤔
 
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Does anyone recall Daniel stating he never left home without his phone
 
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While I was looking for the above document BCslueth, I glanced at this page from the documents.

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It states Maleyha tucked jack into bed he had his dinosaur and blanket and she shut his door , then there is a part redacted and then it goes on to say Lilly had her backpack .

I wonder what was redacted that would be an invasion of privacy 🤔

Something private that might be mentioned just before sleep could be that they said their prayers and prayed for Grandma and Papa, and ....

Religious practices are considered private.

Or it could be that Mom took Lilly's temperature, or Lilly was taking an antibiotic for her cold. A medication might have been given before bed and would be considered private. Medical info is considered private.
 
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Does anyone think this is conflicting, from documents so in one statement DM states he rarely checked his phone or used it and in the other statement he says he never leaves home without it 🤔

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I suppose it's possible he only uses his cell for emergencies, so that's why he always takes it with him. He lives in a place with poor cell coverage, so he probably doesn't rely on it at home. I wonder if they have a landline. Many rural residents do because they don't get cell coverage. We only recently got cell coverage at our home. We still have our landline because it's how we get internet. But even when we didn't get coverage at home, we had our cells for when we were elsewhere so we could reach each other.

It sounds like M used an app that used wifi to text. Maybe while M is busy scrolling and texting on her cell, he's using Xbox or a computer. He just might not be tied to his cell like many people are.

It's also possible he has a prepaid plan and when he can't afford it, he drops it and doesn't have service at all. After all, his entire family lives nearby, so it might not be important to him. M probably wanted a way to reach him when he's at work, but he could use an app like she did.
 
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Does anyone know if the RCMP will provide an update in this case or is it now a file in a drawer until something new turns up ??
 
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While I was looking for the above document BCslueth, I glanced at this page from the documents.

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It states Maleyha tucked jack into bed he had his dinosaur and blanket and she shut his door , then there is a part redacted and then it goes on to say Lilly had her backpack .

I wonder what was redacted that would be an invasion of privacy 🤔
Great to have these details, thanks, Su5ie.

I'm guessing the redacted part would be something like an interaction with:

Lilly (& Meadow) -- such as helping her use the bathroom or bathing / them both using the bathroom, or taking medicine for her cough, or helping her clean up something, or soothing her if she wasn't feeling well?

Perhaps at 18 months Meadow was starting to potty train & before bed was a time when mom & big sis would all go to the bathroom together & encourage her efforts, and bathe/do a sponge bath if needed & put the diaper rash cream on Meadow?

Daniel -- such as a discussion about cleaning or finances or disciplining the kids or Meadow's teething & discomfort on the way to putting Lilly to bed?

Just guessing and MOO.
 
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Great to have these details, thanks, Su5ie.

I'm guessing the redacted part would be something like an interaction with:

Lilly (& Meadow) -- such as helping her use the bathroom or bathing / them both using the bathroom, or taking medicine for her cough, or helping her clean up something, or soothing her if she wasn't feeling well?

Perhaps at 18 months Meadow was starting to potty train & before bed was a time when mom & big sis would all go to the bathroom together & encourage her efforts, and bathe/do a sponge bath if needed & put the diaper rash cream on Meadow?

Daniel -- such as a discussion about cleaning or finances or disciplining the kids or Meadow's teething & discomfort on the way to putting Lilly to bed?

Just guessing and MOO.

Thankfully we have privacy laws that protect at least a small part of our lives. I believe what is important in all that is not so much the redacted parts and what they might be about, but that "Daniel's polygraph examination procedure indicated he was truthful".
 
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Does anyone know if the RCMP will provide an update in this case or is it now a file in a drawer until something new turns up ??

I'm sure we won't get an update until there is something new of public interest. As far as putting this in a file in a drawer, well, I hardly think police work is done like that anymore.
 
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I'm sure we won't get an update until there is something new of public interest. As far as putting this in a file in a drawer, well, I hardly think police work is done like that anymore.
<modsnip> ... what happens now , does it get filed as unsolved and does the team of detectives that were involved in the investigation get wound down and assigned to other cases until some new information comes to the fore . In other words does it become a cold case
 
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