NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Seattle1]

12/16/24

9 New Details of Luigi Mangione's Life Inside Pennsylvania Jail​

 

[ttjo]

What does that mean? No more CEOs or no more AI insurance assessment?

Could it mean this?
A class action lawsuit filed last year in US District Court in Minnesota argued that UnitedHealthcare uses AI “in place of real medical professionals to wrongfully deny elderly patients care,” according to the complaint. More than 90% of the denials are reversed through an internal appeal or proceedings before federal administrative law judges, the suit alleges.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/06/business/insurance-claim-denials-unitedhealthcare-ceo/index.html#:~:text=A%20class%20action%20lawsuit%20filed,%2C%E2%80%9D%20according%20to%20the%20complaint.

 

[SlimPickens]

This may have already been discussed in here post-arrest, but has there been anything further disclosed about his being on camera and on a phone call just prior to the killing? I wonder who he was talking to.

 

[mrstfs]

DBM

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

12/16/24

9 New Details of Luigi Mangione's Life Inside Pennsylvania Jail​

I did not get this interstate agreement on detainers, does it mean he will serve the first part of the sentence in Pennsylvania and then the other part in New York state, or because the crime committed in NYC is much more serious all of those years will be ''merged'' so to speak and he will be in prison in the same state all the time?

Watching this video and the pictures shown in it, it's unbelievable this boy became a murderer. He looks so normal. He reminds me of some of my former students in Parma, even the outburst outside the courthouse. It makes me wonder if sometime during those months he went completely ''under the radar'', he had a mental breakdown he sought no medical help for and that caused permanent damage to his cognitive abilities. That considerable weight loss is also very strange.
I guess psychologists & psychiatrists in the Altoona jail are looking into that.

Jmoo.

 

[LaylaD]

Trump is saying the govt will knock out middlemen like UHC:

Insurer stocks fall after Trump says 'we're going to knock out the middleman'

CVS Health's Caremark, Cigna's Express Scripts and UnitedHealth Group's Optum control the majority of the U.S. pharmacy benefit market, with their parent companies also operating health insurance and pharmacy businesses. Pharmacy benefit managers negotiate drug costs with pharmacies and drug...

finance.yahoo.com

Maybe LM’s manifesto had an impact after all.

If you read this carefully, it’s the pharmaceutical middleman being talked about - not the insurance companies

“Pharmacy benefit managers negotiate drug costs with pharmacies and drug manufacturers and help build drug coverage lists for health plans, mostly on behalf of employers and the government. They directly reimburse pharmacies for prescription drugs included under their agreed terms.”

 

[Chimera]

This may have already been discussed in here post-arrest, but has there been anything further disclosed about his being on camera and on a phone call just prior to the killing ? I wonder who he was talking to.

Bbm.
Regarding the bolded : I concur. ^^^

Also, trying to catch up.
Life has been hectic lately.
Didn't LM change his mind about waiving extradition ?
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

Could it mean this?
A class action lawsuit filed last year in US District Court in Minnesota argued that UnitedHealthcare uses AI “in place of real medical professionals to wrongfully deny elderly patients care,” according to the complaint. More than 90% of the denials are reversed through an internal appeal or proceedings before federal administrative law judges, the suit alleges.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/06/business/insurance-claim-denials-unitedhealthcare-ceo/index.html#:~:text=A%20class%20action%20lawsuit%20filed,%2C%E2%80%9D%20according%20to%20the%20complaint.

Bbm.
Whoahhh... That's a huge amount of reversals !

Can't UH see there is a problem ?
This goes way back, and long before Brian's murder.
My goodness.
Imo.

 

[ttjo]

This may have already been discussed in here post-arrest, but has there been anything further disclosed about his being on camera and on a phone call just prior to the killing? I wonder who he was talking to.

Not that I have heard, I'm also wondering what he placed on the garbage?

 

[ttjo]

Bbm.
Whoahhh... That's a huge amount of reversals !

Can't UH see there is a problem ?
This goes way back, and long before Brian's murder.
My goodness.
Imo.

I know!!! and I will never find it now, but Im sure I read that Luigi wanted to study AI or did atudy AI, and had strong opinions on the Insurance companies using this method to assess claim eligibility.
Quick Look for a link :
According to posts he retweeted in 2022, Mangione was initially swept up in the growing excitement surrounding new AI technologies, like OpenAI's ChatGPT and image generators like Dall-E, but has since appeared annoyed by tweets that were generated by an AI.

Whether he was clued into the algorithms being used by UnitedHealth to deny healthcare coverage for elderly patients, however, remains unclear.

Suspected Assassin of Insurance CEO Studied Artificial Intelligence, Spoke of "Singularity"

According to his still public LinkedIn profile, Mangione studied AI during his undergrad at the University of Pennsylvania.

futurism.com

 

[Friday Fan]

I know!!! and I will never find it now, but Im sure I read that Luigi wanted to study AI or did atudy AI, and had strong opinions on the Insurance companies using this method to assess claim eligibility.

It's in his Linked In. @Seattle1 has an archived version. Apparently he specialized in it.

 

[ttjo]

It's in his Linked In. @Seattle1 has an archived version. Apparently he specialized in it.

Thank you b/c I know I read it somewhere.

 

[Seattle1]

If LM was harboring anger-- is it even about his back? I think not!

On Saturday, Feb 29, 2020, at nursing home in Kirkland, WA-- located across the lake from Seattle, the first COVID19 outbreak in the U.S. was confirmed. By early April, the Pacific Northwest was in total lockdown-- children could have probably played safely on the freeway. WA State Emergency Guidelines imposed by the Governor were in effect from Feb 29, 2020 to Oct 31, 2022, and in comparison to other areas, were strictly enforced.

That said, this two year period 2020-2022, seemingly had a tremendous impact on the high school upper classmen (juniors & seniors) who missed every celebrated right of passage, and all college grades in general, who struggled both socially and academically.

From LM's LinkedIn Resume (attached), he was wrapping up at UPenn May 2020, and cites his start date at True Car, Inc (Data Engineer I) as Nov 2020.

Unlike his 2016 HS Valedictorian Speech and Honors, good chance LM's May 2020 University graduation ceremony was canceled.

Again, taking note LM's first proper job post university graduation where he advances to Data Engineer III takes place during the isolation of the global pandemic, working not from Santa Monica, CA but employed remotely. (Having experienced the typical recruitment and relocation for my first job after graduation, I'd be absolutely shattered at this remote work experience).

While we know that True Car, Inc publicly announced its corporate restructuring and reduction of workforce in June 2023-- which very likely could have been pandemic related, I think we'd be remiss not to question if the golden boy may have taken it to heart that his measured improvements to True Car's performance metrics failed to save his job or deter the layoffs of his division (see resume --performance).

What changed for LM?

Did LM burn out working remotely -- missed the entry level mentoring and ego boost environment one needs to keep energized and interested?

Or was LM dealing with imposter syndrome -- now being offered interactive, live work where he'd no longer be able to hide out at home. Weren't the Honolulu digs somewhat an extension of the Frat house he left behind at UPenn?

And who doesn't have a friend that's allergic to gainful employment!

Did LM actually need surgery, or did he feign symptoms to advance surgery to avoid work?

I'm beginning to question whether if not for having money and opportunity, LM might have just been just been living the life of the Trump shooter, Thomas Crooks (who also scored 1530 on his SAT). Intelligent but very selfish and stupid. MOO

State of Emergency - COVID 2020-2022

Bumping my earlier post with LM's LinkedIn Resume attached for reference...

ETA: Guess attachments don't forward so click top of quoted post to go to the original post #437 to see attachment.

 

[LordCyrus]

Nothing intelligent about how the alleged killer acted. Arrived in NY days before the murder leaving a trail of CCTV, forensic and eye-witness evidence in the general area of the crime. Shot Brian at close range in full view of a camera. Had no contingency or escape plan.

Given the target was a company rather than any particular individual, he could have chosen from a large group of potential victims. He could have targeted someone in a less populated area free of CCTV cameras. He could then have shot at long range, like the DC sniper who almost got away with it.

He is definitely not a mastermind. His university degrees are easily obtained by any kid with rich parents to pay for the best tuition.

 

[otto]

Another update, this time pointing out gaps - a work in progress. The timeline is entirely based on links provided at this website. Please feel free to make corrections/ updates.

EARLY
childhood - spondylolisthesis diagnosis

EDUCATION
2016 - completed high school; nominated valedictorian
2020 - completed engineering bachelor degree in computers and MSc. (2 degrees in 4 years; remarkable)

WORK
November 2020 - started work with True Car, Inc. in California
December 2020-December 2021 - ?? WHERE WAS HE? SF?
January 2022 - moved to Surfbreak, Honolulu remote-workers community
Early 2022 - Surfbreak co-living community, Honolulu, active in daily sports
January 2022 - sciatica, beginner surf lesson injury, one week in bed
February 2022 - slipped on piece of paper, right glute locked and right leg shut down for a week, leg couldn't support weight
March 2022 - nerve pain issues, experienced pain off and on
April 2022 - left Surfbreak community due to a lifelong back injury exacerbated by physical activity on the island, sought medical treatment on the East Coast
?? May-December 2022 - living in San Fransisco?
January 2023 - returned to Hawaii "briefly in early 2023", co-started a book club; several members left due to discomfort in book choices (Unabomber manifesto)
?? date 2023 - met President of the Penn Club of Hawaii briefly at Shangri La Museum of Islamic Art, Culture & Design in Honolulu
June 14 2023 - lost job due to True Car Inc. restructuring, kept it secret from family until arrest

UNEMPLOYED TRAVELLER
July 4 2023 - experienced another injury, went to hospital
July 27 2023 - had spinal fusion surgery on East Coast (check date)
August 2023 - reported surgery was successful 8 days post-surgery
?? date Japan - perhaps looking for work?
November-December 2023 - Hawaii, visiting Maui, Big Island, Oahu
December 2023 - returned to Baltimore to see his family.
February 2024 - Mangione said the surgery came "after 1.5 years of failed conservative treatment." (Jan 2022-July 2023)
Early 2024 - Mangione traveled to Asia for several months
April 2024 - Thailand

CONTEMPLATING MURDER
May 25 2024 - last reddit post where he endorsed back surgery
June 10 2024 - last twitter post; anniversary of Unabomber death by suicide, final X.com post shared: impact of smart phones and social media on mental health and brain plasticity
?? 2024 - San Francisco?
July 2024 - friend wrote that he hadn’t heard from Mangione in months regarding wedding commitment
July 2024 - began forming murder plan, stopped talking to friends and family
September-October 2024 - Honolulu
September 2024 - Mangione removed phone number from WhatsApp group for Penn alumni in Hawaii
October 2024 - friend asks Mangione on twitter whether he is okay
November 18 2024 - reported missing by mother in San Francisco.
December 4 2024 - shoots a stranger in the back

 

[otto]

Could it mean this?
A class action lawsuit filed last year in US District Court in Minnesota argued that UnitedHealthcare uses AI “in place of real medical professionals to wrongfully deny elderly patients care,” according to the complaint. More than 90% of the denials are reversed through an internal appeal or proceedings before federal administrative law judges, the suit alleges.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/06/business/insurance-claim-denials-unitedhealthcare-ceo/index.html#:~:text=A%20class%20action%20lawsuit%20filed,%2C%E2%80%9D%20according%20to%20the%20complaint.

Eliminating machine assessment of people's health insurance applications is a good idea. Machines need more learning to get it right. The app is premature.

 

[otto]

If you read this carefully, it’s the pharmaceutical middleman being talked about - not the insurance companies

“Pharmacy benefit managers negotiate drug costs with pharmacies and drug manufacturers and help build drug coverage lists for health plans, mostly on behalf of employers and the government. They directly reimburse pharmacies for prescription drugs included under their agreed terms.”

That's how opiates ended up everywhere - compensating pharmacies for distributing specific prescription drugs.

 

[JDG]

I’d be very interested in talking to the late Grandma Mangione.

What did she see/sense in the family dynamics that others missed??

Perhaps she noticed ‘the darkness’ and knew something was wrong.

 

[otto]

Nothing intelligent about how the alleged killer acted. Arrived in NY days before the murder leaving a trail of CCTV, forensic and eye-witness evidence in the general area of the crime. Shot Brian at close range in full view of a camera. Had no contingency or escape plan.

Given the target was a company rather than any particular individual, he could have chosen from a large group of potential victims. He could have targeted someone in a less populated area free of CCTV cameras. He could then have shot at long range, like the DC sniper who almost got away with it.

He is definitely not a mastermind. His university degrees are easily obtained by any kid with rich parents to pay for the best tuition.

Not a mastermind, but he wanted to be a game designer. I believe he expected to get away with the murder.

Why did he change the words in the book?
The book: “delay, deny, defend”
He wrote: "deny", "defend", "depose"

We have monopoly money in a backpack that was not hidden, but was not easily found. Two failed sweeps then, who found it?

Then police went on a mad hunt in the water for the weapon. Why? ... because some weapons are thrown in water, but the backpack is left in plain sight? Not terribly logical. Weapon was found on the suspect.

It seemed like a mockery of the murder and search for a suspect: escaping on a pre-planned e-bike, vanishing bike, taxi and again vanishing into the Port Authority transit area. He's not the average criminal. He seems to treat the murder and getaway like a game, which led me to think that he has a sense of humour.

It this a nice sense of humour, or is this arrogant mockery?

 

[otto]

I’d be very interested in talking to the late Grandma Mangione.

What did she see/sense in the family dynamics that others missed??

Perhaps she noticed ‘the darkness’ and knew something was wrong.

It's a very unusual clause to include in a Will - that any beneficiary who is indicted for criminal activity is excluded from the Will. Was there some financial monkey-business with siblings and estate distribution?

Did the Will also state that descendants of Will beneficiaries can nullify their parent's interest in the estate if they are indicted for criminal activity? If so, Mangione just wiped out his parents' inheritance.

Luigi Mangione's friend said that he always had a darkness about him. That sounds like a longterm friend who saw something that made him uncomfortable - but that's pure speculation. I keep a cautious distance if I meet a friend who has a "darkness".

To shoot a complete stranger in the back because Mangione was on a "Mission" to make a "statement" with his unibomber-inspired "manifesto"? That sounds sociopathic.

He had no empathy for his victim. His mission holds a strong prejudice against the health insurance industry, so he used extreme violence to randomly eliminate that perceived threat. He believes that he understands a higher order, and he retaliates to restore injustice.

I think he has hate-related psychological illness that make him dangerous for the rest of his life.