NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[ttjo]

The event in New York the day Brian was killed was the United health Care annual Investor conference. Anyone know what was on the agenda?

 

[Jamara3]

The event in New York the day Brian was killed was the United health Care annual Investor conference. Anyone know what was on the agenda?

The book was made public prior to the event: https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/c...s/2024/ic24/Investor-Conference-2024-Book.pdf

But as far as schedule for the day, list of speakers etc., that doesn’t seem to have ever been public information as it was invite only. The time of the event and its location at the Hilton was also not public information. It just lists the date and NYC on the website.

 

[Scarlett Fire]

Regarding Luigi interest in AI, maybe I am reaching but this is what I see:
Luigi goes to pre program at Stanford near San Francisco
Luigi has interest in Ai
November 18th mom files missing person report in San Francisco
November 26th Ai whistle-blower in San Francisco committed suicide
December 4th Luigi kills CEO who approved use of Ai for fast denials of claims.

Is there a connection?
Or am I too far down the hole?

OpenAI Whistleblower Found Dead in San Francisco Apartment

Suchir Balaji was expected to give evidence against the company in court.

petapixel.com

 

[SleuthJan]

Regarding Luigi interest in AI, maybe I am reaching but this is what I see:
Luigi goes to pre program at Stanford near San Francisco
Luigi has interest in Ai
November 18th mom files missing person report in San Francisco
November 26th Ai whistle-blower in San Francisco committed suicide
December 4th Luigi kills CEO who approved use of Ai for fast denials of claims.

Is there a connection?
Or am I too far down the hole?

OpenAI Whistleblower Found Dead in San Francisco Apartment

Suchir Balaji was expected to give evidence against the company in court.

petapixel.com

Now that you bring this up, I cannot get it off my mind. However the AI whistleblower committed suicide, how does that square up?

Both are/were 26.

 

[ttjo]

Regarding Luigi interest in AI, maybe I am reaching but this is what I see:
Luigi goes to pre program at Stanford near San Francisco
Luigi has interest in Ai
November 18th mom files missing person report in San Francisco
November 26th Ai whistle-blower in San Francisco committed suicide
December 4th Luigi kills CEO who approved use of Ai for fast denials of claims.

Is there a connection?
Or am I too far down the hole?

OpenAI Whistleblower Found Dead in San Francisco Apartment

Suchir Balaji was expected to give evidence against the company in court.

petapixel.com

with or without a connection, it sure is having a big impact on people and it appears that nothing is being done about it.

 

[Sundog]

Regarding Luigi interest in AI, maybe I am reaching but this is what I see:
Luigi goes to pre program at Stanford near San Francisco
Luigi has interest in Ai
November 18th mom files missing person report in San Francisco
November 26th Ai whistle-blower in San Francisco committed suicide
December 4th Luigi kills CEO who approved use of Ai for fast denials of claims.

Is there a connection?
Or am I too far down the hole?

OpenAI Whistleblower Found Dead in San Francisco Apartment

Suchir Balaji was expected to give evidence against the company in court.

petapixel.com

LM worked at Stanford in the summer of 2019. Not seeing any connection to what happened in 2024. Looks to me like the summer job at Stanford was a way to spend the summer and have something prestigious-sounding to add to his resume.

 

[Seattle1]

The event in New York the day Brian was killed was the United health Care annual Investor conference. Anyone know what was on the agenda?

After the event canceled, not seeing much available on the agenda today but the 2023 Conference (held in Dec 2023) was uploaded to YT in February and posted in last thread. I'll repost it here for general reference:

United Health (NYSE: UNH) - Investor Conference 2023​

 

[10ofRods]

Another add:
Stanford University as a head counselor

“We can confirm that a person by the name of Luigi Mangione was employed as a head counselor under the Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program between May and September of 2019,” Stanford spokesperson Dee Mostofi told KCRA 3 in a statement.

SF police sent the FBI a tip identifying Luigi Mangione days before his arrest, report says

San Francisco police recognized Luigi Mangione and passed on a tip to the FBI four days before the 26-year-old was arrested in connection with the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

www.kcra.com

He was not a licensed counselor, of course. The Pre-Collegiate Studies program is for high school students and employs persons with bachelor's degrees who are recent graduates of good universities to be peer counselors. It includes two weeks of online classes, so it's not a lengthy experience nor, I believe, is it in person.

About | Stanford Pre-Collegiate Summer Institutes

summerinstitutes.spcs.stanford.edu

The sessions involve more than just a taste of Stanford-level coursework, they also involve the counselors and faculty engaging with students in grades 8-11.

Stanford Pre-Collegiate Summer Institutes | Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies

Stanford Pre-Collegiate Summer Institutes offers single-subject summer enrichment courses with focus in humanities, science, math, business, and more.

spcs.stanford.edu

There are two sessions, for a total of about 8 weeks of commitment for the counselors. I would expect this job to pay around $20-25 an hour. The job announcement this year read:

//Share your academic passions with the next generation of scholars in a Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program. We are looking for dedicated undergraduate students, recent college graduates, and early professionals who enjoy working with academically motivated students.//

Academic and Student Support Positions

Share your academic passions with the next generation of scholars in a Stanford Pre-Collegiate Studies program. We are looking for dedicated undergraduate students, recent college graduates, and early professionals who enjoy working with bright, motivated high school students.

spcs.stanford.edu

This particular program is fully online. It is not specifically about AI and it is aimed at high school students. It has areas other than CS under its umbrella, but I'd guess that LM was hired to peer mentor kids with an interest in CS.

 

[Friday Fan]

LM worked at Stanford in the summer of 2019. Not seeing any connection to what happened in 2024. Looks to me like the summer job at Stanford was a way to spend the summer and have something prestigious-sounding to add to his resume.

That's what it sounds like to me. LM was very active in robotics in HS. Those are usually university sponsored programs. My sons were also involved in STEM summer programs and one was on the robotics team. This sounds like it was an extension of what he was involved with in HS. It sounds like it's a peer mentorship program and a better summer job than flipping burgers.

 

[Bounceycat]

This particular program is fully online. It is not specifically about AI and it is aimed at high school students. It has areas other than CS under its umbrella, but I'd guess that LM was hired to peer mentor kids with an interest in CS.

As I understand it, there were in-person camps prior to Covid, and since then have remained online-only.

 

[10ofRods]

I did not get this interstate agreement on detainers, does it mean he will serve the first part of the sentence in Pennsylvania and then the other part in New York state, or because the crime committed in NYC is much more serious all of those years will be ''merged'' so to speak and he will be in prison in the same state all the time?

Watching this video and the pictures shown in it, it's unbelievable this boy became a murderer. He looks so normal. He reminds me of some of my former students in Parma, even the outburst outside the courthouse. It makes me wonder if sometime during those months he went completely ''under the radar'', he had a mental breakdown he sought no medical help for and that caused permanent damage to his cognitive abilities. That considerable weight loss is also very strange.
I guess psychologists & psychiatrists in the Altoona jail are looking into that.

Jmoo.

Mental illness can confer "permanent cognitive damage" on a person, of course, although many illnesses have periods of remission.

You can't tell who is mentally ill by their looks (many "normal" looking people are mentally ill; the guy who plays Trump on SNL (Darrell Hammond) is schizophrenic. So was Betty Paige. And Veronica Lake and Clara Bow. And Mary Todd Lincoln.

I am not implying that LM Is schizophrenic, but it is one of those illnesses that can permanently change cognition. So can Bipolar - and people with Bipolar look normal. Vivian Leigh, for example. Carrie Fisher. Mel Gibson. Catherine Zeta-Jones. Mariah Carey. Jane Pauley.

With treatment, some of the cognitive changes can be mitigated. I wouldn't say that any of these illnesses involves brain damage, per se - but their brains do have unusual activity when their symptoms are active.

IMO, merely going "under the radar" (including ghosting a friend who asked him to be part of a wedding and also his entire family, such that Mom doesn't even know what city he is in) is a set of symptoms, in and of itself. Unless there were tensions in his family that we don't know about (and they apparently didn't, either), ghosting one's parents and siblings is an unusual/atypical thing to do. A parent becoming worried enough to file a missing person report and hire a PI is concerned about this sudden change in behavior.

I do wonder if his desire to start a book club (to read Ted K with friends) was another bit of odd behavior, in retrospect. I guess the simplest explanation would be that somehow he was radicalized along the way (perhaps by losing his job in the capitalist start-up sector and seeing how brutal life can be as an unemployed 20-something; relative deprivation theory applied).

As LM becomes convinced of his own revolutionary ideas and ideals, he alienates/pushes away and eventually avoids the joint living situation (which was quasi-friendship to begin with, it was a shared rental experiment first and foremost, IMO). He eventually pushes away everyone who has known him previously.

Link below is about the incidence of homicide committed by Bipolar I individuals, during their depressive phase. One form of Bipolar homicide in this 22 year long study is...atruistic homicide during the depressive phase. That means killing someone in order to benefit others - or even with the delusional belief that the victim is better off, somehow.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073811005251

He was right at the age where Bipolar often becomes diagnosable. Wanting to save the world through revolution is arguably a manic kind of symptom - and when the world doesn't change, the depression is severe. Some Bipolars switch states rapidly (as in, within one 24 hour period; this is unusual, but my point is that the switch between the states is unpredictable and governed by the person's thoughts and their degree of illness).

Anyway, I'm on the same page as you with the idea that there's some kind of mental break going on here. There are other plausible theories, of course, but given the attorney he has hired, I think mental health is going to be an issue in this case.

IMO.

 

[ttjo]

After the event was cancelled, I do not see much available on the agenda today, but the 2023 Conference (held in Dec 2023) was uploaded to YT in February and posted in the last thread. I'll repost it here for general reference:

United Health (NYSE: UNH) - Investor Conference 2023​

Thank you, I'm going to listen to it. Do you think there is anything to him choosing this conference based on the participants? Not to harm but to inform? "all the bean counters"
Could he have had a better audience to deliver a message to?

 

[10ofRods]

As I understand it, there were in-person camps prior to Covid, and since then have remained online-only.

Pretty sure they had both on the ground and online in 2019, but good point. The program grew out of the Online High School. However, this got me to investigate just how it works now that it's all online. It's pretty amazing that they encourage (and students engage in) game nights where everyone joins an online game server. They also do music parties where the students use Zoom and their Spotify playlists to interact and enjoy music together.

They aim for an international cohort. And it is not for units or grades. AFAIK, each cohort's experience lasts just 2 weeks?

And apparently, they do still have some real world meet-ups on real high school campuses in the Bay Area.

As far as I can tell, LM worked for them for just one 8 week period and it must have been while he was himself still in college?

At any rate, his job was not learning things for himself nor was it teaching others. It was older peer support for college bound, gifted high school students (as he himself had once been).

IMO.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869102766494494819

 

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[sds71]

Luigi Mangione has been indicted for the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan earlier this month, multiple law enforcement officials tell CNN.

A New York grand jury has voted to charge Mangione with murder in the first-degree and murder in the second-degree, among other charges, the officials said.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is expected to announce the indictment at a 3:30 p.m. news conference.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/luigi-mangione-ceo-shooting/index.html

 

[BUF]

PerCNN

LM will not be fighting extradiction to NY

DA soon to give charges on LM

 

[sds71]

Here’s the indictment

A Manhattan grand jury has indicted Luigi Mangione on first-degree murder, second-degree murder as a crime of terrorism, and other offenses for the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Mangione-Indictment-FINAL-as-filed.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869115092949975137

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869113419829567778

 

[BrianJohnson]

Wow they are going for domestic terrorism, thought they would play it safe and go for 2nd degree