NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[RobSA]

According to reports, his grandmother died in March 2023 and she left an estate worth $30M. She had 10 children and 37 grandchildren. I doubt she left anything for grandchildren. Estates are usually divided amongst children, and those children can gift or bequeath to their children.

It might be a bit of a feather in his cap to brag about "generational wealth" as something that he does not respect.

Maybe his parents were due to receive up to $6M, maybe not. Numbers suggest $3M per child. Maybe the inheritance was in property, so not $3-6M in the bank. Maybe the estate is larger than reported.

Regardless, I don't believe Mangione has that much money from his family. I would like to see his personal finances from July 1, 2022 to Dec 4, 2024, to include 6 months before surgery, grandmother's death, job loss in June 2023, and his international travels.

From what I have been able to ascertain, his parents are quite rich beyond what they might have received from the grandmother. Who knows, maybe they gave Luigi a chunk of money for graduating from college or for some other reason. I don't really know how being wealthy works.

 

[Charlot123]

Brian Thompson's sons could use the money for philanthropic interests in their father's memory.

This will generate a lot of anger in the society.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Charlot123]

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Good point, but I think he was talking crap to his friend in Japan. I think he knows he is entitled to six million but probably has access to a small portion of that at this point in time. If he truly got laid off with severance with a high paying SF job mid 2023 there’s been enough there for him to float on since. If I were to give my 21 year old son today six million dollars, of course I’d never see him again, ha. And I think LM’s mother knows better than that too.
I’m going to make a grand prediction here. He will be in prison for a long time but not nearly for the length of time most would agree on. I think it’s impossible to get a full jury that will hammer him. Did you see Chris Rock’s joke on Snl about it? He equated the ceo to a drug dealer, saying sometimes drug dealers get shot. Lots of laughs. Not saying I agree with it.

The reality is, I don't think it will be easy to find a jury member who never had UHC. Or Medicare Advantage, for that matter.

 

[MassGuy]

The reality is, I don't think it will be easy to find a jury member who never had UHC. Or Medicare Advantage, for that matter.

And if that matters, even a little bit, then people like that shouldn't be on a jury. Ever.

You can hate the victim. You can hate the industry. But cold blooded premeditated murder is cold blooded premeditated murder.

 

[otto]

From what I have been able to ascertain, his parents are quite rich beyond what they might have received from the grandmother. Who knows, maybe they gave Luigi a chunk of money for graduating from college or for some other reason. I don't really know how being wealthy works.

He told a travelling friend in Asia (early 2024) that he got his money from family, and that there was a lot of generational wealth available to him.

Grandmother died in March, lost job West Coast in June, surgery East Coast in July, Hawaii in November, Baltimore in December, Asia January-April, social shutdown started in May.

Did he run credit card debt?

The "monopoly" money backpack, if it's not a settlement gimmick, what's his statement about money? It is family related? Were the bullets for public consumption, backpack for family?

 

[Kaley Smith]

And if that matters, even a little bit, then people like that shouldn't be on a jury. Ever.

You can hate the victim. You can hate the industry. But cold blooded premeditated murder is cold blooded premeditated murder.

I agree, and I am appalled at how many people are dismissing it with "he deserved it".

 

[Warwick7]

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[Charlot123]

And if that matters, even a little bit, then people like that shouldn't be on a jury. Ever.

You can hate the victim. You can hate the industry. But cold blooded premeditated murder is cold blooded premeditated murder.

From the practical standpoint. The members of the jury are not asked to hold any specific views besides conventional morality. They have to fairly respresent the society in general. About the society, though, "it might be complicated."

 

[otto]

The reality is, I don't think it will be easy to find a jury member who never had UHC. Or Medicare Advantage, for that matter.

As a second degree murder charge, the prosecutor could argue intent without mentioning motive. As a terrorism charge, I'm assuming that argument can't be made without motive.

It opens the door to a noisy public discussion about health insurance rather than focus on murder, in my opinion. Is he a celebrity or is he deadly? I personally think that Mangione is dangerous, but he has his mug on candles ... popular like Charles Manson.

If the social media discussion becomes a debate about justifiable homicide ... that' not a healthy society. It's just a matter of time before the question is who deserves to live, and who doesn't.

Will charging him with terrorism feed the masses and derail the intent argument?

 

[JDG]

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It’s very sad that this woman and others do not realize that Luigi Mangione would kill them in a flash if they *upset* him for the wrong reason.

He is a cold blooded murderer, he’d hunt them down like he did Brian Thompson.

 

[Kaley Smith]

As a second degree murder charge, the prosecutor could argue intent without mentioning motive. As a terrorism charge, I'm assuming that argument can't be made without motive.

It opens the door to a noisy public discussion about health insurance rather than focus on murder, in my opinion. Is he a celebrity or is he deadly? I personally think that Mangione is dangerous, but he has his mug on candles ... popular like Charles Manson.

If the social media discussion becomes a debate about justifiable homicide ... that' not a healthy society. It's just a matter of time before the question is who deserves to live, and who doesn't.

Will charging him with terrorism feed the masses and derail the intent argument?

I agree with you.

 

[MassGuy]

Prior to taking LM's case, his lawyer commented on CNN that a mental health type defense might be the best option. With the overwhelming amount of evidence here, it's hard to disagree. Her problem however, might be her client. He likely wants to be a martyr for his cause, but that's greatly diminished by any argument that he wasn't in his right mind at the time. You can't have both things at once:

I'm a hero standing up against corporate greed.
I'm a crazy person who killed a man because I wasn't thinking straight.

 

[snarast]

From what I have been able to ascertain, his parents are quite rich beyond what they might have received from the grandmother. Who knows, maybe they gave Luigi a chunk of money for graduating from college or for some other reason. I don't really know how being wealthy works.

It seems he puts other things as more important than money, I’d say. Or at least, that’s part of it. The monopoly money and all - I think he hates someone in his family deeply.

Just a guess obviously.

IMHO

 

[Warwick7]

CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/us/luigi-mangione-murder-indictment-new-york/index.html

 

[ttjo]

I just don't know how anyone thinks this murder will change anything, Sure, (LM) made it very clear people are unhappy about health care. But now what? Hoping for conversations, she said... the ones started are not about health care. They're about whether BT deserved it or not, like he controlled everything, as if he was the Wizard of oz.
It almost seems like people just love to have something to rant about, even if it's pointless, unproductive banter about things that are missing the mark.
Paying for his legal fees? How will that help?
I think the outcome is fairly predictable unless his high-priced lawyer's fees include a magic wand.
Do these people actually think murdering someone is going to scare insurance companies into changing? Get real. The problem wasn't Brian Thompson alone; it's a system, and it seems to have a big reach.

 

[Bounceycat]

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What is a Chooch? The only Chooch I know is the enigmatic former Phillies catcher, Carlos Ruiz.

 

[ttjo]

What is a Chooch? The only Chooch I know is the enigmatic former Phillies catcher, Carlos Ruiz.

well here is one definition
The origin of the word “chooch” is Italian. It's a slang term that means a dummy, idiot or jackass. donkey, and I guess a girl is a "cheech" but Im not even gonna look that up.

 

[Sundog]

From the practical standpoint. The members of the jury are not asked to hold any specific views besides conventional morality. They have to fairly respresent the society in general. About the society, though, "it might be complicated."

Actually, during voir dire interrogation, potential jury members will be asked about their views on a number of topics and let the judge, and the prosecution and defense attorneys, know their backgrounds, how they feel about certain issues that are related to the case, etc. Jurors who have biases around certain issues or have certain backgrounds and experiences may be relieved from jury duty on this case.

 

[otto]

In Canada, there is a rarely used determination of dangerous offender status with indeterminate sentence. Is there something similar in New York State?

Could Mangione have been convicted of shooting a stranger in the back with intent, and then be given a dangerous offender with terrorist intention status?

Does this terrorism charge muddy the waters and shift focus from intent to motive - making motive the Star of the Show. Is that in anyone's best interests?

Which charge is heard first? Murder or terrorism? Lunatic or martyr?