NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

he’s using an address in Towsen here, i wonder if it’s his family’s address and he didn’t have his own place to live at the moment he was arrested

eta: it seems like the house on this address was sold in june of this year, but he might not have been aware of that if he hasn’t been in contact with his family
Yes, I think that’s exactly what happened. That’s the address I looked up as soon as his name was released.
 
IMO, irrespective of all the noise and hoopla for lack of a better word, surrounding this case to include LM supporters, the slippery slope of “I don’t condone murder, but” stated by untold numbers on various SM platforms and elsewhere, many Americans’ overall disdain for the U.S. health insurance industry, disdain for corporate greed etc., etc., the bottom line in the NY state case of the murder of BT on a sidewalk in NYC’s Midtown comes down to the LAW. (I’m not opining on the federal criminal charges in this post as been busy IRL and behind on getting caught up on the threads and reading about those charges).

Stating the obvious, we have laws in this country for good reason.
LM broke the law when he ((allegedly), (moo he’s obviously the responsible party/perp)), premeditated and murdered another human being in cold blood. And regardless of feelings/emotions about the U.S. health insurance industry which I get it and understand, a system that for many years, decades, has been broken and in need of reform yes, the health insurance companies haven’t broken any laws by delaying and denying claims, and BT certainly didn’t break the law by doing his job.

Simply put, the law is the law and doesn’t take anyone’s feelings/emotions into consideration.
One can loathe the health insurance industry and BT for what he did for a living, be unsympathetic or indifferent about his violent death all they want but at the end of the day, as has been for many years to present day, again, it’s not against the law to delay or deny health insurance claims, whereas premeditated cold blooded murder IS against the law.

What LM did is not only against the law, it sends a dangerous message or trigger for who knows how many potentially unhinged/unbalanced individuals on the interwebs and general public that do agree with/condone LM’s way of handling grievances or societies/various monopolies/corporate conglomerate ‘problems’, to start shooting and killing others, employees/executives of companies in the streets they don’t like or agree with. Society run further amok with unbalanced individuals vigilantes doling out their own version of justice like it’s the Wild, Wild West. I know some feel this isn’t going to happen but I’m not so sure and even one unhinged LM copycat is too many. The last thing the world needs. This world is already scary and crazy enough, just look at all the threads here. So sad all the lives lost to violence.

I’ve mentioned before and think it worth repeating, maybe the LM supporters and “I don’t condone murder, but” should put their energy into advocating for themselves and their families by writing their Senators and Congress members encouraging them to listen to them about their concerns about healthcare/health insurance industry and implore them do something about it/enact laws to make it better, improve it instead of listening to the paid lobbyists. Maybe some have already started writing Senators/Congress and good on them if so. The more of the public they hear from, maybe they’ll start doing something about the broken system. One can hope.
I digress.

Back to the law, LM as the accused, barring a plea deal, will be rightly going on trial and per the U.S. constitution will be afforded due process via the U.S. judicial court system. The state/prosecution will present all their damning evidence against LM at trial and his lawyers will defend him vigorously as is their job/what they’re paid to do. (imo they’re only hope is to go either the NGRI route which good luck with meeting legal standard of insanity when the crime was clearly premeditated and LM running away shows he knows right from wrong, or imo more likely,
go with some yet unknown MH condition as a mitigating factor at sentencing).

The jury will be tasked with deciding LM’s fate based on the jury instructions they receive from the Judge/rules of evidence as per the law. If one or two LM sympathizers/supporters somehow manage to pass voir dire by lying their way through (I cannot see this happening as I expect the voir dire process for this case will be exceptionally careful/potential jurors vigorously and thoroughly questioned and scrutinized but you never know one might still get by) and gets on the jury, I would think they will quickly be found out by their fellow jurors once deliberations start or not long into deliberations and notify the Judge and Judge takes it from there/decides what will happen going forward.

I personally do not see Jury nullification happening because I do not believe 12 people will be able to get past voir dire lying their way through to get on the jury nor do I believe one or two who might be able to do so would be able to convince the rest of the jury members to nullify and besides as previously stated, these jurors would likely be reported to the Judge not too long after deliberations start when it becomes obvious to other jurors that they aren’t there to do the job they were selected for and tasked with based on the law and rules of evidence aka dereliction of duty, which is usually taken very seriously by the court/Judge, as it should be. Not saying jury nullification is impossible just that I personally don’t see it happening here. At most I can see possible hung jury based on one or two holdouts that possibly think the state didn’t prove their case BARD but even that I feel is a real long shot based on the evidence we already know about that the state has against LM, never mind what evidence they have that hasn’t and won’t be released to the public pre-trial, rightly so.
IMO, LM is toast and will be going away for a long time.

It’s going to be very interesting to see how everything plays out once the pretrial hearings begin that’s for sure, probably the understatement of the year lol.

At any rate, going back to reading everyone’s thoughts and getting my popcorn ready…

IMHOO

*ETA: just noticed the PC Affadavit posted above ha, going off to read that first.

**ETA 2: just read the first 5 pages of the PCA, looks like they got LM dead to rights, yeah he’s toast, burnt toast imoo!
 
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"Prison consultant" LOL
Anything to make a buck. It's more lucrative than a typical job for ex-cons such as dish washing or general labor, so who can blame him?

Also, the "prison consultant" did time as a white collar criminal. Violent criminals such as murderers are usually housed in different prisons with tighter security, so I wonder how useful his advice will be.
 
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That is interesting and informative. It points to that he likely "dropped off" completely.
That ~5 month period where LM was out of contact is interesting. What was he doing and where was he staying? Why so long? Maybe bouncing around cheap motels that accept cash for payment and taking buses from one city to another for months on end? What would the point be? I imagine this will be brought up during the trial, if there is a trial.
 
IIRC, United Health Care gave a statement that LM was never covered by UHC.
Yes they did. That's why it's weird that he picked on a UHC CEO as opposed to another health insurance company, like whatever health insurance he had, or another kind of corporation. I think he just wanted to kill someone and gain infamy from it, and BT was a convenient target.
 
Yes they did. That's why it's weird that he picked on a UHC CEO as opposed to another health insurance company, like whatever health insurance he had, or another kind of corporation. I think he just wanted to kill someone and gain infamy from it, and BT was a convenient target.
I think it’s simple. They’re the largest health insurance company in the US by far. They have a 15.7% market share. The next biggest company is only 9.7%.

A lot of people on different social media sites seem to think he’s incredibly clever. I don’t doubt that he’s smart, but I think he literally just searched ‘biggest health insurance companies US’. MOO
 
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IMO, irrespective of all the noise and hoopla for lack of a better word, surrounding this case to include LM supporters, the slippery slope of “I don’t condone murder, but” stated by untold numbers on various SM platforms and elsewhere, many Americans’ overall disdain for the U.S. health insurance industry, disdain for corporate greed etc., etc., the bottom line in the NY state case of the murder of BT on a sidewalk in NYC’s Midtown comes down to the LAW. (I’m not opining on the federal criminal charges in this post as been busy IRL and behind on getting caught up on the threads and reading about those charges).

Stating the obvious, we have laws in this country for good reason.
LM broke the law when he ((allegedly), (moo he’s obviously the responsible party/perp)), premeditated and murdered another human being in cold blood. And regardless of feelings/emotions about the U.S. health insurance industry which I get it and understand, a system that for many years, decades, has been broken and in need of reform yes, the health insurance companies haven’t broken any laws by delaying and denying claims, and BT certainly didn’t break the law by doing his job.

Simply put, the law is the law and doesn’t take anyone’s feelings/emotions into consideration.
One can loathe the health insurance industry and BT for what he did for a living, be unsympathetic or indifferent about his violent death all they want but at the end of the day, as has been for many years to present day, again, it’s not against the law to delay or deny health insurance claims, whereas premeditated cold blooded murder IS against the law.

What LM did is not only against the law, it sends a dangerous message or trigger for who knows how many potentially unhinged/unbalanced individuals on the interwebs and general public that do agree with/condone LM’s way of handling grievances or societies/various monopolies/corporate conglomerate ‘problems’, to start shooting and killing others, employees/executives of companies in the streets they don’t like or agree with. Society run further amok with unbalanced individuals vigilantes doling out their own version of justice like it’s the Wild, Wild West. I know some feel this isn’t going to happen but I’m not so sure and even one unhinged LM copycat is too many. The last thing the world needs. This world is already scary and crazy enough, just look at all the threads here. So sad all the lives lost to violence.

I’ve mentioned before and think it worth repeating, maybe the LM supporters and “I don’t condone murder, but” should put their energy into advocating for themselves and their families by writing their Senators and Congress members encouraging them to listen to them about their concerns about healthcare/health insurance industry and implore them do something about it/enact laws to make it better, improve it instead of listening to the paid lobbyists. Maybe some have already started writing Senators/Congress and good on them if so. The more of the public they hear from, maybe they’ll start doing something about the broken system. One can hope.
I digress.

Back to the law, LM as the accused, barring a plea deal, will be rightly going on trial and per the U.S. constitution will be afforded due process via the U.S. judicial court system. The state/prosecution will present all their damning evidence against LM at trial and his lawyers will defend him vigorously as is their job/what they’re paid to do. (imo they’re only hope is to go either the NGRI route which good luck with meeting legal standard of insanity when the crime was clearly premeditated and LM running away shows he knows right from wrong, or imo more likely,
go with some yet unknown MH condition as a mitigating factor at sentencing).

The jury will be tasked with deciding LM’s fate based on the jury instructions they receive from the Judge/rules of evidence as per the law. If one or two LM sympathizers/supporters somehow manage to pass voir dire by lying their way through (I cannot see this happening as I expect the voir dire process for this case will be exceptionally careful/potential jurors vigorously and thoroughly questioned and scrutinized but you never know one might still get by) and gets on the jury, I would think they will quickly be found out by their fellow jurors once deliberations start or not long into deliberations and notify the Judge and Judge takes it from there/decides what will happen going forward.

I personally do not see Jury nullification happening because I do not believe 12 people will be able to get past voir dire lying their way through to get on the jury nor do I believe one or two who might be able to do so would be able to convince the rest of the jury members to nullify and besides as previously stated, these jurors would likely be reported to the Judge not too long after deliberations start when it becomes obvious to other jurors that they aren’t there to do the job they were selected for and tasked with based on the law and rules of evidence aka dereliction of duty, which is usually taken very seriously by the court/Judge, as it should be. Not saying jury nullification is impossible just that I personally don’t see it happening here. At most I can see possible hung jury based on one or two holdouts that possibly think the state didn’t prove their case BARD but even that I feel is a real long shot based on the evidence we already know about that the state has against LM, never mind what evidence they have that hasn’t and won’t be released to the public pre-trial, rightly so.
IMO, LM is toast and will be going away for a long time.

It’s going to be very interesting to see how everything plays out once the pretrial hearings begin that’s for sure, probably the understatement of the year lol.

At any rate, going back to reading everyone’s thoughts and getting my popcorn ready…

IMHOO

*ETA: just noticed the PC Affadavit posted above ha, going off to read that first.

**ETA 2: just read the first 5 pages of the PCA, looks like they got LM dead to rights, yeah he’s toast, burnt toast imoo!


<<<<Applause>>>>

Great post.

Thoroughly agree.
 
IMO, irrespective of all the noise and hoopla for lack of a better word, surrounding this case to include LM supporters, the slippery slope of “I don’t condone murder, but” stated by untold numbers on various SM platforms and elsewhere, many Americans’ overall disdain for the U.S. health insurance industry, disdain for corporate greed etc., etc., the bottom line in the NY state case of the murder of BT on a sidewalk in NYC’s Midtown comes down to the LAW. (I’m not opining on the federal criminal charges in this post as been busy IRL and behind on getting caught up on the threads and reading about those charges).

Stating the obvious, we have laws in this country for good reason.
LM broke the law when he ((allegedly), (moo he’s obviously the responsible party/perp)), premeditated and murdered another human being in cold blood. And regardless of feelings/emotions about the U.S. health insurance industry which I get it and understand, a system that for many years, decades, has been broken and in need of reform yes, the health insurance companies haven’t broken any laws by delaying and denying claims, and BT certainly didn’t break the law by doing his job.

Simply put, the law is the law and doesn’t take anyone’s feelings/emotions into consideration.
One can loathe the health insurance industry and BT for what he did for a living, be unsympathetic or indifferent about his violent death all they want but at the end of the day, as has been for many years to present day, again, it’s not against the law to delay or deny health insurance claims, whereas premeditated cold blooded murder IS against the law.

What LM did is not only against the law, it sends a dangerous message or trigger for who knows how many potentially unhinged/unbalanced individuals on the interwebs and general public that do agree with/condone LM’s way of handling grievances or societies/various monopolies/corporate conglomerate ‘problems’, to start shooting and killing others, employees/executives of companies in the streets they don’t like or agree with. Society run further amok with unbalanced individuals vigilantes doling out their own version of justice like it’s the Wild, Wild West. I know some feel this isn’t going to happen but I’m not so sure and even one unhinged LM copycat is too many. The last thing the world needs. This world is already scary and crazy enough, just look at all the threads here. So sad all the lives lost to violence.

I’ve mentioned before and think it worth repeating, maybe the LM supporters and “I don’t condone murder, but” should put their energy into advocating for themselves and their families by writing their Senators and Congress members encouraging them to listen to them about their concerns about healthcare/health insurance industry and implore them do something about it/enact laws to make it better, improve it instead of listening to the paid lobbyists. Maybe some have already started writing Senators/Congress and good on them if so. The more of the public they hear from, maybe they’ll start doing something about the broken system. One can hope.
I digress.

Back to the law, LM as the accused, barring a plea deal, will be rightly going on trial and per the U.S. constitution will be afforded due process via the U.S. judicial court system. The state/prosecution will present all their damning evidence against LM at trial and his lawyers will defend him vigorously as is their job/what they’re paid to do. (imo they’re only hope is to go either the NGRI route which good luck with meeting legal standard of insanity when the crime was clearly premeditated and LM running away shows he knows right from wrong, or imo more likely,
go with some yet unknown MH condition as a mitigating factor at sentencing).

The jury will be tasked with deciding LM’s fate based on the jury instructions they receive from the Judge/rules of evidence as per the law. If one or two LM sympathizers/supporters somehow manage to pass voir dire by lying their way through (I cannot see this happening as I expect the voir dire process for this case will be exceptionally careful/potential jurors vigorously and thoroughly questioned and scrutinized but you never know one might still get by) and gets on the jury, I would think they will quickly be found out by their fellow jurors once deliberations start or not long into deliberations and notify the Judge and Judge takes it from there/decides what will happen going forward.

I personally do not see Jury nullification happening because I do not believe 12 people will be able to get past voir dire lying their way through to get on the jury nor do I believe one or two who might be able to do so would be able to convince the rest of the jury members to nullify and besides as previously stated, these jurors would likely be reported to the Judge not too long after deliberations start when it becomes obvious to other jurors that they aren’t there to do the job they were selected for and tasked with based on the law and rules of evidence aka dereliction of duty, which is usually taken very seriously by the court/Judge, as it should be. Not saying jury nullification is impossible just that I personally don’t see it happening here. At most I can see possible hung jury based on one or two holdouts that possibly think the state didn’t prove their case BARD but even that I feel is a real long shot based on the evidence we already know about that the state has against LM, never mind what evidence they have that hasn’t and won’t be released to the public pre-trial, rightly so.
IMO, LM is toast and will be going away for a long time.

It’s going to be very interesting to see how everything plays out once the pretrial hearings begin that’s for sure, probably the understatement of the year lol.

At any rate, going back to reading everyone’s thoughts and getting my popcorn ready…

IMHOO

*ETA: just noticed the PC Affadavit posted above ha, going off to read that first.

**ETA 2: just read the first 5 pages of the PCA, looks like they got LM dead to rights, yeah he’s toast, burnt toast imoo!
Yeah to me "I don't condone murder, but..." means that they actually ARE justifying murder. It's okay in this case, just one little exception.
 
I think it’s simple. They’re the largest health insurance company in the US by far. They have a 15.7% market share. The next biggest company is only 9.7%.

A lot of people on different social media sites seem to think he’s incredibly clever. I don’t doubt that he’s smart, but I think he literally just searched ‘biggest health insurance companies US’. MOO
He wasn't clever enough to disguise himself and discard the murder weapon. It doesn't take a genius to realize the need to trim those big, bushy eyebrows and maybe dye his hair and wear colored contacts, but LM failed to do so and got caught fairly quickly. Also, it wasn't too bright of him to go without gloves and throw a bottle that he drank out of in the trash. Then there's the grin to the hostel worker. Book smart but not too much common sense IMO.
 
He wasn't clever enough to disguise himself and discard the murder weapon. It doesn't take a genius to realize the need to trim those big, bushy eyebrows and maybe dye his hair and wear colored contacts, but LM failed to do so and got caught fairly quickly. Also, it wasn't too bright of him to go without gloves and throw a bottle that he drank out of in the trash. Then there's the grin to the hostel worker. Book smart but not too much common sense IMO.
Same old story on here. We've followed cases with some pretty intelligent people; brilliant even, who make terrible criminals. This guy planned this meticulously, but had zero chance. I say that even if every single thing went right. They would have gotten him eventually, but he made mistakes that made it much easier.

You simply cannot commit an on camera assassination in a city with as many surveillance cameras as New York, and have any expectation at all of getting away with it.
 
Same old story on here. We've followed cases with some pretty intelligent people; brilliant even, who make terrible criminals. This guy planned this meticulously, but had zero chance. I say that even if every single thing went right. They would have gotten him eventually, but he made mistakes that made it much easier.

You simply cannot commit an on camera assassination in a city with as many surveillance cameras as New York, and have any expectation at all of getting away with it.
It's like he wasn't even trying to disguise himself, or he was so arrogant to think he'd get away with it. Personally, I think it's the later. That's why he was so flattered at the young woman who pretended to flirt with him.
 
LM Address on PA. Police Criminal Complaint. Towson?
he’s using an address in Towsen here, i wonder if it’s his family’s address and he didn’t have his own place to live at the moment he was arrested

eta: it seems like the house on this address was sold in june of this year, but he might not have been aware of that if he hasn’t been in contact with his family
@detective.moon. @imstilla.grandma (this thread, post #11) @MassGuy
Thx for the related posts about MD. address LM (apparently) provided to LE.
Was owner of this home related to (e.g., parents of) LM; did LM live there when younger?

House was built in 1966, sold in 1987, again in 1993, then in June 2024.
If this is the right house (& if my math is mathin'), fam could have bought & moved in 1993. LM was born in 1998, so this prop’s sales history could "fit" timewise as his childhood & teen-years home. [ETA. ICBWrong.]

And w his drift from fam, LM may not have been aware house was on the market or sold, as @ detective.moon posted. Or LM may have given it to LE as a sort of “default” address, like college students sometimes do.
ICBWrong.

NOT sleuthing family, but sleuthing house & why LM might give that address.

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IIRC, someone suggested that the June 2024 sale might have been a sale to a fam member. If a friendly deal w buyer-relative was contemplated, why would owner list thru a R/E broker & be obliged to pay commission? Plus MLS shows 2024 sales price as five percent higher than asking price, which causes me to kinda sorta doubt it was cozy family arrangement.

Listing the home w all furniture/furnishings removed (except some exercise gear in basement) tells me likely owner had already vacated before the 50+ listing pix were taken.

5/15/2024.... "Listed for sale" (w. listing px)
5/20/2024.... "Contingent"
6/6/20249".... "Sold" (w sold px ~ five percent HIGHER than listing px)
Realtor.com dates differ from above by a few days, but still show about 3wks from listing to close.

Per Zillow’s MLS data: split level, 4bed/5ba/2 car gar. home w ~4450 sq.ft., on .68 a/c.
 
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Same old story on here. We've followed cases with some pretty intelligent people; brilliant even, who make terrible criminals. This guy planned this meticulously, but had zero chance. I say that even if every single thing went right. They would have gotten him eventually, but he made mistakes that made it much easier.

You simply cannot commit an on camera assassination in a city with as many surveillance cameras as New York, and have any expectation at all of getting away with it.
I've said it many times; the criminal mind is fascinating. So many times I think, 'that makes no sense; he should have...', but of course it doesn't make sense to us, because we are not criminals. Their brains are just wired differently, IMHO. In this case, I was thinking, 'he should have gone as far away as fast as he could have', but like you say, LE absolutely would have caught him, regardless. Once they had his name, he was toast. Which brings me to the thought: did he expect to get away with it? Maybe he did at first and then later resigned himself to his fate. Hard to say. MOO
 
I've said it many times; the criminal mind is fascinating. So many times I think, 'that makes no sense; he should have...', but of course it doesn't make sense to us, because we are not criminals. Their brains are just wired differently, IMHO. In this case, I was thinking, 'he should have gone as far away as fast as he could have', but like you say, LE absolutely would have caught him, regardless. Once they had his name, he was toast. Which brings me to the thought: did he expect to get away with it? Maybe he did at first and then later resigned himself to his fate. Hard to say. MOO
It doesn't appear that he gave tons of thought to his after-plan other than escaping to Central Park by bike.
 
I've said it many times; the criminal mind is fascinating. So many times I think, 'that makes no sense; he should have...', but of course it doesn't make sense to us, because we are not criminals. Their brains are just wired differently, IMHO. In this case, I was thinking, 'he should have gone as far away as fast as he could have', but like you say, LE absolutely would have caught him, regardless. Once they had his name, he was toast. Which brings me to the thought: did he expect to get away with it? Maybe he did at first and then later resigned himself to his fate. Hard to say. MOO
Yeah, it's confusing. I'm leaning towards him initially planning on getting away with this, but ultimately realizing that he was on the verge of being identified. That's why I think he wrote that letter to the Feds. What I'm also wondering about is if he intended to commit suicide afterwards. There's no reason to write that note if you can explain things for yourself in person, after you have been apprehended. So I tend to think he was planning on taking his own life, but maybe lost his nerve or something.

Just impossible to know, as you don't do something like this if you are thinking completely rationally.
 
Yeah, it's confusing. I'm leaning towards him initially planning on getting away with this, but ultimately realizing that he was on the verge of being identified. That's why I think he wrote that letter to the Feds. What I'm also wondering about is if he intended to commit suicide afterwards. There's no reason to write that note if you can explain things for yourself in person, after you have been apprehended. So I tend to think he was planning on taking his own life, but maybe lost his nerve or something.

Just impossible to know, as you don't do something like this if you are thinking completely rationally.

I still wonder about the foreign currency that he had on him when he was arrested. At one point, had he planned to flee the country and then later changed his mind? He didn't head directly to a major airport but instead went to Altoona, looking for a hotel and a place to rest, maybe to regroup and plan his next steps at that point. Or just to take a shower and have a good night's sleep.
 
I still wonder about the foreign currency that he had on him when he was arrested. At one point, had he planned to flee the country and then later changed his mind? He didn't head directly to a major airport but instead went to Altoona, looking for a hotel and a place to rest, maybe to regroup and plan his next steps at that point. Or just to take a shower and have a good night's sleep.
I don't think we know where that foreign currency was from, and I wonder if maybe he had it from his prior travels. That money and passport may not be evidence he was planning on fleeing, especially if he had been a transient for a long period of time (those months he was missing).

But yeah, it's entirely possible he did intend to flee the country, and didn't for one reason or another.

What's interesting is he wasn't ready to be captured when he was, which is evidenced by his use fake identifying information provided to the officers.
 
I don't think we know where that foreign currency was from, and I wonder if maybe he had it from his prior travels. That money and passport may not be evidence he was planning on fleeing, especially if he had been a transient for a long period of time (those months he was missing).

But yeah, it's entirely possible he did intend to flee the country, and didn't for one reason or another.

What's interesting is he wasn't ready to be captured when he was, which is evidenced by his use fake , identifying information provided to the officers.
Thank God for the McDonald's patron/worker who recognized him. Otherwise he'd still be a folkhero on the run.
 

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