NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[10ofRods]

Same old story on here. We've followed cases with some pretty intelligent people; brilliant even, who make terrible criminals. This guy planned this meticulously, but had zero chance. I say that even if every single thing went right. They would have gotten him eventually, but he made mistakes that made it much easier.

You simply cannot commit an on camera assassination in a city with as many surveillance cameras as New York, and have any expectation at all of getting away with it.

I think it's because they are fixated on vengeance/their crime and ignore all the usual common sense things. Kind of like students doing term papers or even doctoral dissertations/theses.

The number of things that 20-somethings do not think through is pretty large, IMO. Speaking as someone with longterm experience with this age group. College != common sense, nor does it necessarily teach it.

I think it's possible that LM thought he'd die that same day (dramatic thinking of a certain type of younger person, IMO).

Unless part of his "plan" was to get media coverage and a platform. Fame and ignominy are closely related.

He could not have realistically though he would get away with it - but there are only a few alternatives.

IMO.

 

[justpeachy22]

It’s an “Incomplete” essay … more high school than graduate. IMO … shows that his brilliant academic mind is gone, and now unable to draw his ideas together, to a conclusion/hypothesis/solution.

I think the manifesto was likely written post murder. The elementary style writing is not indicative of a change in his intellect imo. In fact, an intellect would write a short precise note to the feds to get his point across quickly, not an essay that needs to be studied.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[CrimeSlog]

And looking forward to justice for Brian Thompson!

AMEN Sundog!!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"[Mangione] had significant back pain, and I imagine it was tough for a young man to deal with, especially in a place like Hawaii, where physical activities such as swimming, diving, surfing, hiking, and climbing are so prevalent," Ryan tells PEOPLE. "It seems this pain impeded but didn’t entirely prevent him from engaging in those activities."

'People Were Worried' About 'Depressed' Luigi Mangione After He Left Co-Living Space in Hawaii, Says Friend

Mangione, accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, also complained of severe back pain.

people.com

 

[GRT]

"[Mangione] had significant back pain, and I imagine it was tough for a young man to deal with, especially in a place like Hawaii, where physical activities such as swimming, diving, surfing, hiking, and climbing are so prevalent," Ryan tells PEOPLE. "It seems this pain impeded but didn’t entirely prevent him from engaging in those activities."

'People Were Worried' About 'Depressed' Luigi Mangione After He Left Co-Living Space in Hawaii, Says Friend

Mangione, accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, also complained of severe back pain.

people.com

From your link...

I thought I'd read something about this before--and am I correct in understanding it means he found sexual relations painful?

"Ryan, who says he spoke to people who knew Mangione, says the pain significantly affected the now-26-year-old, even in relation to his ability to have romantic relationships.

"The pain made him depressed, which in turn influenced those relationships," Ryan says."

 

[imstilla.grandma]

From your link...

I thought I'd read something about this before--and am I correct in understanding it means he found sexual relations painful?

"Ryan, who says he spoke to people who knew Mangione, says the pain significantly affected the now-26-year-old, even in relation to his ability to have romantic relationships.

"The pain made him depressed, which in turn influenced those relationships," Ryan says."

I thought the same thing, that it is implied:

Luigi Mangione's Back Pain Made Dating, Physical Intimacy 'Not Possible': Friend

Mangione is accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson before his arrest in Altoona, Pa.

people.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just curious if we ever pinned this down to msm source:

1) that "depose" came only from LM's substitution via sharpie on bullet cases. Ie it wasn't used earlier that we know of

2) is there an accepted source declaring who or what entity lit a fire under the DOJ to push a federal case with terrorism and possible death sentence?

Jooc

2) I don't think the DOJ needed a fire lit under them, I think NY Prosecutors asked for the terrorism charge to be included under State Law based on this article from the Associated Press. JMO

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Luigi Mangione was indicted on charges of murder as an act of terrorism, under a state law that allows for stiffer sentences when a killing is aimed at terrifying civilians or influencing government.

If it sounds like an unusual application of a terrorism law, it’s not the first time the statute has been applied to a case that wasn’t about cross-border extremism or a plot to kill masses of people.

How New York prosecutors used a terrorism law in the charges against Luigi Mangione

 

[girlhasnoname]

SBM - I absolutely agree with you. Overcharging to set an example is wrong in any scenario, and there’s nothing (in my opinion) exceptional that justifies it for this case. You can murder someone in a targeted attack without it being terrorism. But I’m pretty sure that was already talked to death in thread #10 lol

And conversely you can murder one person in an act of terrorism if it meets certain criteria, it does not have to involve mass casualties.

<snipped & BBM>

If it sounds like an unusual application of a terrorism law, it’s not the first time the statute has been applied to a case that wasn’t about cross-border extremism or a plot to kill masses of people.

How New York prosecutors used a terrorism law in the charges against Luigi Mangione

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/cb910ec413ebe6c9/b4aa3510-full.pdf

Luigi Mangione retains Harvey Weinstein’s prison consultant Craig Rothfeld

Mangione is accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, but has pleaded not guilty, and Rothfeld was reportedly at his hearing.

pagesix.com

I think I'd find another prison consultant than that of HW, he hasn't fared so well at all, but this according to PageSix so another grain of salt is in order IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That is interesting and informative. It points to that he likely "dropped off" completely.

Yes, but LM had to be somewhere in the months leading up to the killing, he must have had some type of home base to develop his plans (print the 3D gun, silencer, etc) and write his manifestos?

I think Homeland Security and the FBI/CIA probably know by now where he was and has been.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It's harder to be persuasive when you yourself don't fully believe in the cause you claim to be for. A bunch of real suckers out there believe in a guy who doesn't even believe what they think he does. He's a charlatan.

Yes, and someone who benefited from the very life of privilege and wealth that he now has championed as his 'cause'. Right LM, right.

It wasn't his childhood or overbearing parents (We've all seen far worse happen and those people didn't commit murder), it wasn't his family home being sold without his knowledge or permission, he's a grown man who left home for a top Ivy League Education and then traveled abroad that caused this.

LM made a choice and set about a detailed plan to murder him, he could have picked Brian T and the Healthcare Industry out of his high dollar hat with other for profit options 1,2, or 3 with much greater $$$ impact on the economy for that matter. (Technology, Finance, and Automotive to name a few)

I do know that the true victim here is the man Brian Thompson who was brutally gunned down by LM and the grieving family and loved ones that were left behind.

Murder and Anarchy are NEVER the solution.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Don't shoot the messenger!

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No shooting allowed, lol

 

[NuttMegg]

2) I don't think the DOJ needed a fire lit under them, I think NY Prosecutors asked for the terrorism charge to be included under State Law based on this article from the Associated Press. JMO

<snipped & BBM>
Luigi Mangione was indicted on charges of murder as an act of terrorism, under a state law that allows for stiffer sentences when a killing is aimed at terrifying civilians or influencing government.

If it sounds like an unusual application of a terrorism law, it’s not the first time the statute has been applied to a case that wasn’t about cross-border extremism or a plot to kill masses of people.

How New York prosecutors used a terrorism law in the charges against Luigi Mangione

Very helpful, thanks @girlhasnoname
I am still wondering if ppl under investigation for insider trading can, at the same time pressure the DOJ for specific action against someone who essentially threatened their bottom line.

So I'll just keep watching. Thanks again.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes, but LM had to be somewhere in the months leading up to the killing, he must have had some type of home base to develop his plans (print the 3D gun, silencer, etc) and write his manifestos?

I think Homeland Security and the FBI/CIA probably know by now where he was and has been.

JMO

Who was he with during that time. I already asked that but it's one of my big interests in the case.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Yes, but LM had to be somewhere in the months leading up to the killing, he must have had some type of home base to develop his plans (print the 3D gun, silencer, etc) and write his manifestos?

I think Homeland Security and the FBI/CIA probably know by now where he was and has been.

JMO

*This writer claims to have had contact with him for months

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Mangione said he was on holiday in Japan, and I asked him about it. He said that while he loved many aspects of Japanese culture, such as its sense of honor, he believed Japan was full of “NPCs,” or non-player characters—which is internet slang for people who don’t think for themselves. He then told me a story he’d first mentioned in an email: One morning in Japan, he saw a man having a seizure in the street, so he ran to the nearest police station for help. They followed him back to the man, but refused to cross any street if the stoplight was red—even if the road was empty—as the man was seizing on the ground. Mangione lamented what he called “a lack of free will” in Japan, by which he meant a lack of agency. More:

My Conversations with Luigi Mangione

He told me that once we surrendered our agency, we’d surrender everything else.

www.thefp.com

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[arielilane]

Cute matchy matchy outfits. Never seen that before. How [barf] special. lol

Justice for Brian Thompson's loved ones.

@cathyrusson

WATCH: #LuigiMangione in court.

https://youtu.be/_ZSqVhdoqpM?si=YSISKXU0uoS2GwOd #uhcceo

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[al66pine]

Towson, MD Address on PA. Criminal Complaint

IIRC, when LM's mother reported him missing she said that she hadn't heard from him since July 2024, so I think he likely knew that they had sold the house and moved to a new home. He may not have remembered the address of the new home, it was easier to remember the address of the house that he had lived in for most of his life. That makes sense to me, even if he had visited his parents in their new home and stayed there for a little while.

Yep, @Sundog.
Good line of thinking. Thx for posting it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ha! Save this post for one year from today. I can't imagine justice will happen in 25, but 26 is a solid bet.

Agreed, unless there's a plea deal or LM pulls an Epstein while incarcerated, which I sincerely hope does NOT happen.

I can only imagine the full reality of his actions is beginning to set in by now. Such a sad waste of human life and pain for the families involved.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think it's because they are fixated on vengeance/their crime and ignore all the usual common sense things. Kind of like students doing term papers or even doctoral dissertations/theses.

The number of things that 20-somethings do not think through is pretty large, IMO. Speaking as someone with longterm experience with this age group. College != common sense, nor does it necessarily teach it.

I think it's possible that LM thought he'd die that same day (dramatic thinking of a certain type of younger person, IMO).

Unless part of his "plan" was to get media coverage and a platform. Fame and ignominy are closely related.

He could not have realistically though he would get away with it - but there are only a few alternatives.

IMO.

I do like the way you said this....
Unless part of his "plan" was to get media coverage and a platform. Fame and ignominy are closely related.

I feel he came to an impasse when he started to fail. Even though a layoff, why was he in the 20% let go?
He knew he was failing his family, and he was so deep in his own hole, that the only way out was a plan and to get out of that hole...... thinking he was building his plan for fame---- but the end result being Infamy, AND Ignominy....

not trying to twist words around, but the words DO work in is case...