NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #5

[mrtnira]

Yes but a Glock isn't 3d printed. Glock also incorporates metal components, it isn't all plastic. Maybe they do have 3d printing polymers that can take the heat of bullets being fired. If they do have such a thing it wouldn't last through many rounds of ammo. JMO

Or, the use of necessary metal parts for the 3d printed weapons where that is essential. For example, if a metal barrel is necessary, then maybe a fitted metal pipe would be sufficient. If the life of the substitute barrel was only ten rounds, it would be sufficient for the act and the 3d gun would be untraceable after the fact if broken down into component parts with component parts disposed of in different places.

 

[fred&edna]

Okay, it may not be likely, but I'm throwing it out anyway... what if this murder was, uhmm... much more personal... and actually had nothing to do with medical insurance, victim's occupation, etc. The shooter just went to these lengths to lead LE and everyone to the wrong motive and the wrong culprit?

jmo

 

[schooling]

Someone with extensive experience with guns probably wouldn’t have hit someone in the leg…then again they wouldn’t have access to a silencer.

I wonder if it was factory loaded ammo or hand loaded. Also, have they hey said anything what the firearm malfunction was? Was it simply a jam, or was it a misfire? If he left a message on his bullets it seems like maybe he was motivated to spend the ammunition…overkill would leave more casings with his messages…just shooting the breeze here. Thanks all.

You're assuming that he didn't purposely hit him in the leg with the first shot to prevent him from getting too far away. This didn't seem like someone who was trying to immediately end this guy's life. IMO.

The gun that they suspect he bought had to racked after every shot. Which would have have been even more reason shoot him at point blank range. IMO.

Look at the way he shoots him, with the victim briefly facing him, and then he coldly walks him down shooting and racking. Even after he falls on the ground. '

Again, I'm not trying to sensationalize what this guy did...but it was clearly personal, IMO. Not personal in that they both know each other. But personal in that he wanted to take his time with what he was doing.

MOO

 

[ReadySet]

I’m pretty sure Idaho LE had Bryan Kohberger’s name well before they arrested him, so no, not necessarily

Yes, iirc, they first found Kohberger's name, related to his car, on Nov. 29, 2022. He was arrested Dec. 30. They had his name, and he became a suspect, but LE had a lot of work to do in that month before the arrest.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder if a troll planted the Monopoly money and not the killer.

Who would happen to be carrying around mono money. Finds the bags and sticks in there?? M00

 

[vls12345]

Right. Like what if a doctor refuses a treatment the patient sees as necessary? Will they now feel empowered to "take revenge"? What if a store is selling items you don't agree with? What if someone writes something you feel is questionable on the internet? etc. It's a slippery slope.

In the US, we're armed to the teeth & getting more aggrieved & more aggressive (just my general opinion). Never a good combo, imo. Sadly, I think there will be future crimes of this ilk.

 

[Warwick7]

It is Mayor Adams speaking, I would take that with a grain of salt. Jmoo.

I take everything with a grain a salt with Adams.

 

[Warwick7]

Monopoly is derived from The Landlord's Game, created in 1903 in the United States by left-wingfeminist Lizzie Magie, as a way to demonstrate that an economy rewarding individuals is better than one where monopolies hold all the wealth.

Monopoly (game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pretty on the nose!

Bam right here!!

 

[Arkay]

I’d be surprised if he wasn’t already under surveillance. I think Adams tipped his hand, and the attempt to walk it back was because he pissed of the NYPD.

I’ll believe it when John Miller tells me it’s so.

I trust him utterly. He’s the most knowledgeable source out there, IMO.

(I’m sure I loved him before you did, MG. I call dibs)!

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe he sees himself/his actions as being domestic terrorism or serial killing in that he could be planning more? If he's backed by or from a specific group, maybe they are planning more? Like he or they have the world's attention now & maybe plan to continue/escalate from here? (I have no idea what that might look like, if he/they would confine it to a particular company, or industry, or businesses in general, businesses perceived as monopolies, etc.) Or maybe he/they won't be able to carry out more but the initial plan was to continue with other victims (hence leaving a calling card like Monopoly money).

Just musing aloud.

I think he's a lone actor, doing this for his own reasons, and he isn't planning on any other immediate attacks. To that last point, this is a guy who plans extensively, taking great pains to do so. A guy like that doesn't turn around and quickly carry out another attack.

I think the beef is with this particular company, and if so, that would be the end of it.

If I'm wrong in that regard, there would be a cooling off period before he tried something else (like a serial killer).

 

[Agatha3]

They have his DNA. Worst case scenario is they use genetic genealogy down the road.

I’d be surprised if he wasn’t already under surveillance. I think Adams tipped his hand, and the attempt to walk it back was because he pissed of the NYPD.

Yes. If he still has the gun and more ammo, the last thing cops want is a hostage situation. They don’t want him named until they ensure they can spring him by surprise and not have him shoot anyone else….or himself. They need him alive to find out his story, imo,

 

[EBW321]

yes, the games discount any murder for hire theory imo

I agree with both of you. I won’t lie originally was fully on board with murder for hire… not professional hitman but someone with a clear grudge out for vengeance against UHC or BT himself willing to pay someone to murder him.

Now… with the added “games” “messages” and evidence left behind… along with mistakes made… hard to imagine the killer working for others leaving behind all of this.

Moo.. I Do believe he had help in some way.

Moo… I’d guess a woman. Specifically for the purpose of getting out of the city. Everyone is looking for him solo or with another male unknown suspect.

A couple together after 10 days solo would make it much harder to isolate spot him on surveillance and add another layer of protection in the escape aspect.

 

[ChrisM]

I don't think he was paid by an individual to do this. He wouldn't be playing games. The person who hired him would be pissed.

I think he did have someone working with him based on precise timing.

He is a very very patient man. He got to NY ten days before the killing.

I wonder if he'll try another murder....

i sense this is a personal one-off event. i may be completely wrong of course but i thing this is retribution by a clever, clear thinking, new-to-the-business but nothing-to-lose novice murderer. he may have weapons experience, he may have military killing experience, but i sense he's making (to him) an important statement, not making a career of it... imo

 

[kamare]

You're assuming that he didn't purposely hit him in the leg with the first shot to prevent him from getting too far away. This didn't seem like someone who was trying to immediately end this guy's life. IMO.

The gun that they suspect he bought had to racked after every shot. Which would have have been even more reason shoot him at point blank range. IMO.

Look at the way he shoots him, with the victim briefly facing him, and then he coldly walks him down shooting and racking. Even after he falls on the ground. '

Again, I'm not trying to sensationalize what this guy did...but it was clearly personal, IMO. Not personal in that they both know each other. But personal in that he wanted to take his time with what he was doing.

MOO

Are we sure he shot him in the leg? Was that info released? Is it possible that he hit a vertebrae that made the left leg collapse?

 

[MassGuy]

I’ll believe it when John Miller tells me it’s so.

I trust him utterly. He’s the most knowledgeable source out there, IMO.

(I’m sure I loved him before you did MG. I call dibs)!

Lol, I've been a fan since that interview with Bin Laden in a cave, in 1998

But yeah, every major event he's the only guy you want to listen to. Especially when that event occurs in New York.

 

[kamare]

NYT article An N.Y.P.D. Manhunt Caught a Subway Shooter. This Time, It’s Different.

 

[sunshineray]

This confirms what I've been think all along.

This is an anticorporatist, anti-capitalist, idealistic radical guy.
One of their rallying cries is "break up the monopolies!!"

Sure he may have known someone with bad experiences with UHC, but he probably read about "millions of bad experiences" with "evil, greedy, monopolistic UHC". UHC has had quite the reputation recently. A decade ago, it was financial institutions.

It's NYC, the financial capital of the US.
It's Christmas where consumers are spending and Rockefeller (can you say monopoly??) Center is nearby.
It's Medicare enrollment time when news of "evil Medicare advantage plans" pop up on message boards and SM.
It's also the time, when TV's had the Medicare Advantage ads ad nauseum.


Monopoly money says it all.........

Sorry to be snarky.....I'm quoting some of the things I read online. This guy just wants "the glory" as some type of "robin hood" or similar folk hero among his "peers". He seems to be on the path to terrorism.

Well he supposedly dropped his water bottle and phone in the alley way from 54th to 55th Street that he ran down...so not the smartest tool in the shed, MO

 

[99cats]

Okay, it maybe not be likely, but I'm throwing it out anyway... what if this murder was, uhmm... much more personal... and actually had nothing to do with medical insurance, victim's occupation, etc. The shooter just went to these lengths to lead LE and everyone to the wrong motive and the wrong culprit?

jmo

It could absolutely be. At this point, the evidence could be legitimate evidence, or plants the shooter had placed to throw off the investigation. This was extremely meticulously planned, and until the murderer is caught - or some sort of manifesto is found - everything should be viewed with some level of skepticism.

 

[schooling]

Or, the use of necessary metal parts for the 3d printed weapons where that is essential. For example, if a metal barrel is necessary, then maybe a fitted metal pipe would be sufficient. If the life of the substitute barrel was only ten rounds, it would be sufficient for the act and untraceable after the fact if broken down into component parts with component parts disposed of in different places.

Barrel, breech lock and firing pin have to be metal.

And as long as you're not creating a model that currently exists most states (more than half) don't care. The majority of 3d gun printing laws either require you register them with the state or that all parts be assigned serial numbers and registered.

Edit: not that a perp like this would care.

 

[whitelilac]

Maybe he sees himself/his actions as being domestic terrorism or serial killing in that he could be planning more? If he's backed by or from a specific group, maybe they are planning more? Like he or they have the world's attention now & maybe plan to continue/escalate from here? (I have no idea what that might look like, if he/they would confine it to a particular company, or industry, or businesses in general, businesses perceived as monopolies, etc.) Or maybe he/they won't be able to carry out more but the initial plan was to continue with other victims (hence leaving a calling card like Monopoly money).

Just musing aloud.

Why does he/they find it necessary to murder people? Statements can be made with a lot of publicity and press in other fashions. Mass demonstrations, from city to city, letters, manifestos to the press, using social media outlets, publicizing multiple cases where people have been gravely hurt by these insurance corporations, etc. Other ways to get public attention. It's done with environmental issues etc.