NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #5

[heykiki831]

Are these kind of guns prone to jamming?
Or was it a 1-in-a-million chance it jammed when it did?

If it’s a welrod, I bet he was overzealous and overworked the action. I the way it cycles is entirely user operated. So if he chambered a round with adrenaline, combined with an awkward trigger pull he likely just anticipated the fire and cycled it without striking the primer. I doubt it jammed in the traditional sense of firearm actions. Think of it like a pez candy dispenser. Lift the head, take it out close the head, open the head, take one out. I think he just opened and closed the action without firing and dispensed a wasted pill.

 

[wibbleflea]

I haven’t read all the ensuing replies, but this guy seems to be a very curious mix of precise and cavalier. It was a very well planned and carried out, but he’s casual about his identity.

That leads me to conclude that he planned to be out of the country ASAP, never to return, or he plans on going out on his own terms - guns blazing, or at his own hand.

Exactly this. Edited to add: he was only cavalier about things that wouldn’t stop him escaping the city.

 

[krikken]

Bryan Kohberger didn't have a criminal past, either, and yet they discover his identity through genetic mapping. If they have your DNA, they have everything they need these days to find out your identity...eventually. Sure, it's easier for them if you've already commited a crime and are in their database; they just do a DNA match. It's only a matter of time before they find out who this perp is. Now all they have to do is catch him. Good luck with that!

Unless he had two identical of everything and discarded the "clean" backpack, jacket and bottle etc. Or even spiked the clean discarded ones with someone else's DNA, for example taken from a hostel roommate.

If his planning involved board game equipment and writing words on bullets, which might be hard to do in a hostel or a Starbucks, it may well have involved additional layers of deception.

 

[Inthedetails]

Whomever mentioned perp was a full fledged Maxineesta - I am with ya.

I see they have the backpack in stock on the floors of some Best Buy stores as I type. Two at the Regal Park store this moment. (I have no clue where that is, just using it as a NY example.)

If he flew in from somewhere, he could have accumulated everything in the time he had between arriving in NY and the murder.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/peak-design-everyday-backpack-v2-30l-charcoal/6409288.p?skuId=6409288&extStoreId=302&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=20562105996&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-ORIiZ7DY_PE-J4sTzZ6Dc3YbDP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIifXMyLGYigMVtjQIBR1whgBWEAQYAiABEgJi_vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

And leaving with nothing. The taxi photos show him walking - no backpack, hand in pocket.

Streamlined trip to NYC.

(I used to travel that way - rather than deal with luggage I would buy a few items once I arrived and either bring them home with me or not. I forgot I used to do that.)

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

American symbolism. If you order a nameless bag from Amazon, you’d get one made by a company based in China. He used a Peak Design backpack, designed and sold by a company based in San Francisco, though not made there. He wore a jacket from Tommy Hillfiger USA. He visited Starbucks and (I’ve read here) McDonalds. New York has plenty of alternatives. He stayed at a HI USA. He left Monopoly money.

It all seems determinedly American. The exception is the gun, if it really was a B&T. That would make it Swiss. But B&T => BT, as someone suggested upthread.

About the gun, i’m thinking its the real mccoy. Welrod

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There was one other difference. Most Welrods were completely unmarked, a sterile weapon, theoretically untraceable to its originating country. The exception was one version, perhaps a testing prototype, that was marked “U.S. Navy” for some inexplicable reason. The HDMS is clearly marked “Property of the U.S. Government,” which would pose a problem of deniability.

An Official Journal Of The NRA | The 'Welrod' Pistol: A Silent Arm For The SOE

Developed to arm members of Britain's Special Operations Executive during WWII, the Hand Firing Device Mark 1, also known as the Welrod pistol, had a rich service history throughout the 20th century.

www.americanrifleman.org

 

[SRWCF]

Unless he had two identical of everything and discarded the "clean" backpack, jacket and bottle etc. Or even spiked the clean discarded ones with someone else's DNA, for example taken from a hostel roommate.

Very possible. I mean, it does seem like this guy thought of everything.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sorry if this has been brought up before here (I’m struggling to keep up with the lightening-speed threads) but, regarding him entering/leaving the country: Every country I’ve been to recently used a camera at Passport Control, including the U.S.

Does anyone know how likely it is that they’d be asking for that camera footage at airports? I would imagine that it would be practically a Herculean effort to go through it, considering the volume of faces on it, but also, I wonder how long they keep that footage, is a search warrant required to get it, etc. I just never hear of it being used in cases like this.

Anyone have any thoughts?

I felt that LE must have heavily scoured all airports of a given radius around the city. Could a departure out of the US happened with little notice? The shooter has mastered a pretty complicated script getting around to all these spots where he has been seen. Hopefully some airport / travel experts can weigh in on ways he might have been able to skip the country????

 

[NuttMegg]

Or simply seeing his own patients treated badly by insurance. This applies even to physicians completing residencies. (He looks young.) But my point applies to other people you wouldn’t suspect – not just doctors. Could be someone unknown to Americans (I’m sounding like a broken record on this point) or an American no one would think of associating with the crime and calling in about. They might say ‘wow, that looks just like the doctor I met with yesterday’ and laugh about it.

I know there are other explanations. Just felt that this should be considered.

Well you got me thinking. Someone got really pizzed at an insurance co. decision. (Yeah, obviously)

Could have affected not the death of a relative, but a whole treatment program previously supported.

 

[scoodyboo]

Probably scoping it out. Google maps says the Hilton (54th St./6th Ave) is a 20 minute walk and close to a mile (.9mi to be exact) from the Port Authority (42nd St./8th Ave). The Hilton is in the same direction as the further north hostel (103rd St). Makes sense to make a short stop and scope out the Hilton and then continue north to the hostel. JMO.

Wonder what the cameras show him carrying in terms of backpack or other luggage from 11/24.

 

[wibbleflea]

I felt that LE must have heavily scoured all airports of a given radius around the city. Could a departure out of the US happened with little notice? The shooter has mastered a pretty complicated script getting around to all these spots where he has been seen. Hopefully some airport / travel experts can weigh in on ways he might have been able to skip the country????

If he left the country, he did it long before he was identified. The identification took two days, minimum. It came only after a ton of video footage was analysed, leading to the hostel.

 

[SRWCF]

I felt that LE must have heavily scoured all airports of a given radius around the city. Could a departure out of the US happened with little notice? The shooter has mastered a pretty complicated script getting around to all these spots where he has been seen. Hopefully some airport / travel experts can weigh in on ways he might have been able to skip the country????

I may have lost track, but didn't LE say they thought he had headed south via Greyhound and now they have authorities in Atlanta GA on high alert? Or is that so 2 days ago?!?

 

[khaki]

I think I have expressed my greatest fear / concern.... would be that it is just some international terrorist "messing with America". I'm not "there yet"... but is my biggest fear.
Plenty of pundits have been focussing how enemies can / could/ will mess with our financial infrastructures to cause harm...banks, insurance, medical, telecom....

As I say..."not there yet"... but I DO NOT think he is American....
And I am totally baffled as to why we are hearing NOTHING about an accent or not.....

Regarding not hearing anything about an accent, I have been thinking about that too! Wonder if revealing it would complicate the investigation in the sense that it could cause a news media/social media sh#tstorm if foreign and region specific?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Whomever mentioned perp was a full fledged Maxxinista - I am with ya.

I see they have the backpack in stock on the floors of some Best Buy stores as I type. Two at the Regal Park store this moment. (I have no clue where that is, just using it as a NY example.)

If he flew in from somewhere, he could have accumulated everything in the time he had between arriving in NY and the murder.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/peak-design-everyday-backpack-v2-30l-charcoal/6409288.p?skuId=6409288&extStoreId=302&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=20562105996&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-ORIiZ7DY_PE-J4sTzZ6Dc3YbDP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIifXMyLGYigMVtjQIBR1whgBWEAQYAiABEgJi_vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

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Also the trendy second-hand shops all over NYC with loads of other people’s DNA on the clothes ….

 

[Agatha3]

The backpack was actually a decoy. I cannot believe it. This is absolutely wild.

Yes. The very first press conference they pointed up that he had a “distinctive backpack”. At that time it was the only clue.

 

[VAres67]

Bryan Kohberger didn't have a criminal past, either, and yet they discover his identity through genetic mapping. If they have your DNA, they have everything they need these days to find out your identity...eventually. Sure, it's easier for them if you've already commited a crime and are in their database; they just do a DNA match. It's only a matter of time before they find out who this perp is. Now all they have to do is catch him. Good luck with that!

I thought they identified Bryan Kohberger and then confirmed it by matching his dna to his dad’s (recovered from trash?). They didn’t use his dna to reveal his identity.

For this guy, they’d have to have him identified already or spend a long time mapping his dna, right?

 

[MrsWatson]

I think his choice of clothing was considered and deliberate. Also sending a message. I don't think he's wearing makeup, I think it's just lighting and camera angles that make it look that way.

I don't see some big conspiracy or group behind this; I think this is a lone wolf guy, absolutely convinced of his "mission" and taunting everyone. He's putting on a show, and we're all watching.

moo

 

[NuttMegg]

I felt that LE must have heavily scoured all airports of a given radius around the city. Could a departure out of the US happened with little notice? The shooter has mastered a pretty complicated script getting around to all these spots where he has been seen. Hopefully some airport / travel experts can weigh in on ways he might have been able to skip the country????

We might have to revisit the Brian Laundrie thread. Lol.

This guy could have had a few tickets ready to go, depending on what transpired.

 

[wibbleflea]

Well you got me thinking. Someone got really pizzed at an insurance co. decision. (Yeah, obviously)

Could have affected not the death of a relative, but a whole treatment program previously supported.

I’m thinking mostly about why is details haven’t been called in, if he lives in the US. I suspect he doesn’t live there and he’s out of the country, but if he is American, he’d have to be the kind of American you wouldn’t think of naming as a suspect. Doctor or similar.

 

[Wishbone]

I think it's interesting that in every article in msm they discuss the water bottle and the smudged print. When in fact there are power bar wrappers, cell phone, backpack, mono money, a jacket....etc... all of which they can retrieve fingerprints off of. LE is holding alot close to the vest.

Telling the killer through the media the print is smudged relaxes him. M00

Seems like he left a lot of evidence and clues around for LE to locate. Strange.....

 

[Tiff23fr]

What I find very interesting is per CNN timeline, he arrives at PA in NY at 10Pm on a Sunday night. He must have been tired. Instead of going straight to the Hostel, he takes a cab to the crime scene, which is at most a 10 minute cab ride from PA, (it's actually easily walkable, also about 10-12 minute walk) and stays in the vicinity of the crime scene for a half hour. When he then hails another cab, and goes to the Hostel. Sunday nights are VERY quiet in that area of midtown. Was he meeting an accomplice? Collection his down payment? Scoping the crime scene in the dark to avoid cameras? Is he working with an accomplice that works in the Hilton? Did he have luggage or a backpack? That stop was for a reason. What was it?

Perhaps one or more items you mention and a fake NJ identification for checking into the hostel.