NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[10ofRods]

On the contrary, serious pain registers on a person's face and in how they hold their body.

That's interesting. My family tell me that they can't tell my pain levels at all, by how I hold my body. I have spondylolisthesis too. I have very bad days and some moderate days. Those closest to me say I'm stoic and that they cannot tell if I'm in pain.

It's been 15 years since the major injury that caused the slippage. I am never *not* in pain.

And I've had other painful ailments (like TN - which may win the prize for most painful thing I've ever experienced, and I'm including natural labor and delivery as well as kidney stones). When I went to the hospital for those two births, my then-husband had to explain to the nurse that I don't show pain easily in my face. I'm sometimes called inscrutable. I'd say that my first labor reached 10 out of 10 on a pain scale and the TN was worse than that.

Not only that, but my first piece of applied medical/psychiatric research was on the ways different people express pain, with a focus on nationalities and ethnicities. Not everyone shows pain in the same way. I do believe my dad was equally non-showing of pain.

The research we did at a major research hospital showed that not everyone shows pain on their face (or yells or cries or tenses their body in a particular way).

IMO

 

[caradana]

Starting to look like a manic episode

This looks to me like a situation that needs, and will get, multiple psychiatric assessments. I’m no MD and no idea if this is manic, schizophrenic, both or something else entirely, but MOO, I expect there to be a significant legal discussion around competency shortly.

 

[maamager]

I'm not sure he was expected to shout at all.

IMO In the context of his offense, I think it's fair to assume that he will capitalize on every opportunity to speak.

 

[Marantz4250b]

On the contrary, serious pain registers on a person's face and in how they hold their body.

Absolutely, I have an arthritic condition and there is no way I can hide it when it kicks off. Genuinely, I can barely move. Waking at 5am in order to hang around in cold weather for hours and then casually gun someone down would be completely out of the question!

 

[Curiousobserver]

Same, I am sure he has had discomfort but he managed to sleep 10 nights in uncomfortable beds in a hostel, carry an ebike battery around and other things in backpack

He is dragging three police officers around pretty easily. He is not that debilitated.

He's a huge baby

 

[clorenc]

Was that just a temporary thing immediately after the accident or the surgery, though? I find it difficult to believe his injury/surgery prevented that if he is physically able to walk across the street, shoot someone multiple times then ride off at high speed on a bike all whilst lugging a backpack around.

People can do a whole lot with adrenaline.

 

[Big Ears]

Just overheard the Reuters live video feed say "court is ajourned and that he's fighting extradition to NY".

 

[Van Helsing]

Agree, both Brian and Luigi were valedictorians from world class schools, one had a high flying successful business career, the other threw it all away, such a waste of 2 brilliant minds that 1 should lose his life at the hands of the one who made bad choices

That's a very interesting comparison. I would love to see a detailed study of the differences in the paths their lives took.

 

[SlimPickens]

If, before he launched into life, he was protected from disappointments - lessons that life presents challenges that one has to work and develop imagination to overcome and they often pick us rather than us picking them, sometimes life isn't fair, he isn't the "genius-prince the world is waiting for" but is instead just one more human being trying to make a go of it, there will always be greater and lesser persons than himself, failure is a teacher - and the resilience and perspective that one develops from encountering these disappointments and their lessons in humility throughout childhood and early adulthood, then when faced with such in rapid succession, each feels enormous and soul crushing. And combined, they feel like a massive betrayal.

Not offering excuses. He chose evil. And that is no one's fault but his own.

So good I had to quote it again with emphasis. Self-soothing is a lost art, IMO. As far as I've read into trends in child rearing of the last 25 years or so, parents are told by those in the ivory towers that it is cruel to let one's child suffer any preventable pain or loss or disappointment, and that they are obligated to preemptively step in and minimize the impact of those kinds of things (and reinforce their self-esteem throughout the process). If he was reared without a lot of self-soothing and with continued reinforcing of his self-esteem, either by parents, mentors, or his community (school, etc), then yeah, a reckoning with reality would almost certainly take place as he transitioned to the non-insulated world. I don't know if such a reckoning could be the catalyst to something of this magnitude though, because most kids of the recent era have unfortunately been dealt the same cards and not acted out like this. However, not all kids - heck not most kids - have his level of intelligence to relentlessly torture themselves with, so there's that.

JMO.

 

[BrianJohnson]

This looks to me like a situation that needs, and will get, multiple psychiatric assessments. I’m no MD and no idea if this is manic, schizophrenic, both or something else entirely, but MOO, I expect there to be a significant legal discussion around competency shortly.

He seemed cool as a cucumber pumping bullets into BT, and in the period before and after the murder, he has intelligence bordering on genius, I don’t believe this is anything more than an act.

He will carry on acting unhinged and try get manslaughter with diminished responsibility charge, hope no one falls for it

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Anyone know what "bomb/silent" means in the last charge? (Bottom)

Criminal Possession 3 of a weapon, covers bombs/explosives/silencers

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Just overheard the Reuters live video feed say "court is Anjou Ed and that he's fighting extradition to NY".

How can he fight extradition to NY state? if the crime was committed there, should it not be compulsory that he is judged there? Asking as someone with zero knowledge of the US judicial system.

On another issue, I did not see a lot of security measures in place when the convicts were left out of the police van. Before this boy was escorted out, there was a group of four men in orange suits and a not so long gap between them and police officers/reporters. Isn't this dangerous? I mean not only for the reporters but also for the convicts themselves (someone could try to shoot them.)

 

[CamilleBSP]

Just overheard the Reuters live video feed say "court is ajourned and that he's fighting extradition to NY".

Did he get lawyers at some point?

 

[whitelilac]

Just overheard the Reuters live video feed say "court is ajourned and that he's fighting extradition to NY".

I think we can expect he is not going to be cooperative in any way whatsoever.

 

[MassGuy]

What we're covering​

• Happening now: Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, is fighting his extradition to New York, where he faces a murder charge. He was denied bail during a court appearance in Pennsylvania.

• As he entered the courtroom today, the 26-year-old could be heard yelling, in part, “it’s completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people. It’s lived experience!”

• Mangione was arrested on a gun chargeMonday after being picked up while eating at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, following a call to the police by an employee, the NYPD chief of detectives said. The 26-year-old had multiple fake IDs and a 3D-printed gun with a suppressor, according to officials.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html

 

[10ofRods]

I had asked myself why he chose an e-bike on a previous thread, and someone answered that it was probably because it was faster.
Come to think of it, it's more likely he chose an e-bike because he couldn't use a normal bike even if he wanted, due to his back pain.

MOO

That occurred to me too. I'm about to sell my bike. It's obvious I'll never be able to ride it again - and it's taken me a long time to accept that. I would be able to balance on an e-bike, pretty sure, but not on a scooter or a regular bike. I wouldn't risk it, though (due to the way I walk now, my knees and ankles aren't all that modern any more).

Actually, now that my back has naturally fused, my balance is a bit better - when I think about bike riding, it's the lower back that worries me the most (spondy sufferer here). But something motorized would really help.

I think your guess about why he needed an e-bike is a good one.

For me, it is standing that is the most painful thing I have to do. Being in an airline or bus seat (or on my couch) are all way less painful, easily managed with acetaminophen.

 

[arielilane]

The X-ray image is from a profile photo he had pinned to one of his accounts. The photo with officer holding his neck is a still image pulled from today's Reuters video, as he entered the courthouse, shouting angrily.

Thank you for the explanation. Guess he shouldn’t have done something to put himself in the position to allow others to have a say or control over him. Maybe like allegedly murder an innocent man... jmo

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Dates & Location per LM's LinkedIn Resume

https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigi-mangione/

Is there a Kaczinsky Syndrome, some math-linked genetic predisposition, where sufferer quits typical life at mid-twenties to embark on a quest to murder a chosen subset of “Corporate” America.??

 

[daybreaking]

Family of suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killing reported him missing after back surgery

Alleged shooter, 26, appears to have suffered chronic back problems and withdrew from social contact in November

www.theguardian.com

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Mangione was largely silent during the court hearing, though he did speak out to dispute the account being presented by prosecutors. They had said he was carrying about $10,000 in cash, and asserted that the bag he was carrying had the ability to block cellphone signals, which all pointed to his sophisticated criminal planning.

“I’d like to correct two things,” Mangione said, according to CNN. “First, I don’t know where any of that money came from – I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication.”

Making judgments based on the cellphone blocking is a valid thing to speak up and complain about.

I have a shirt that has pockets which purportedly blocks signals, but that's because I liked the color and it was $5 on clearance. Also, I've read that people in cities with car theft issues should keep their car starter somewhere blocked to prevent the key from being cloned. I don't think it's reasonable to infer anything based only on having that.

Lying about not knowing about the cash is odd, however. They should be able to find ATM / bank records of him withdrawing it for the trial.

 

[browneyes]

Wonder if he's going to be able to keep his mouth shut in court?

The judge will have their hands full. If he’s so sure what he did was justice, he needs to plead guilty. IMO