NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Inthedetails]

Perhaps they’ll dose him with gabapentin for court for hearings/trial. I’ve heard that is frequently used for defendants who tend to have outbursts when they have court dates. But then, I guess the defendant would need to agree to this, which is questionable .

Worst-case scenario, I think, would be he sits in another room and participates via zoom, on mute.

But I'm assuming such a smart person will understand that his outbursts are not beneficial and will not be tolerated by a judge. He will not get to throw a tantrum in the courtroom.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

He is unhinged, and has been for a long time. I'm left-handed. Tables are set with the fork on the left, the knife and spoon on the right. If he came from a "wealthy" family, he would know that. If he wanted to make a pathetic childhood complaint, it would be that his mother made him eat soup with the spoon in his right hand.

He's complaining for the sake of portraying himself as a victim ... complaining that aiming his non-dominant hand at his mouth was traumatic.

"The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Luigi Mangione claimed his mother made him eat steak with his right hand even though he is left-handed.

Mangione made the claims in his review of the book The Four-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferris, as reported by the Wall Street Journal."

Luigi Mangione's disturbing claim about way his mother made him eat

The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson made the claim in his review of The Four-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferris,.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This dude would complain about the tooth fairy given the chance. Everything is everyone else's fault but his. He makes up excuses to deflect away from the real problem. I read some of his X page, before it was taken down. He's a complainer and at the end of the day his loathing is really about how he feels about himself.

Extremely sad, that Brian Thompson became his victim. For me, this dude [imo] will be nothing more than a coward.

He won't be remembered for anything more than someone who took away two innocent children's father, for no reason at all. Another senseless cold blooded murder.
moo

 

[browneyes]

Arrogant or angry?

IMO, both. I have zero sympathy for him.

 

[JennieM]

1 min ago

New York's prosecution of suspected shooter should take precedence, Pennsylvania attorney says​

From CNN's Elise Hammond

The New York prosecution of the man suspected of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan last week should take priority over additional gun charges the suspect faces in Pennsylvania, a local district attorney said.

“We do not intend to delay this defendant’s extradition to New York and we certainly — we’ve indicated to New York, their prosecution should take precedence, and then ours will follow,” Blair County District Attorney Peter Weeks said

It comes as the suspect, Luigi Mangione, is fighting extradition to New York following a court hearing this afternoon.

Mangione faces five charges in New York — one of them is for murder, according to court documents. He also faces gun charges in Pennsylvania related to the firearm police found on him when he was arrested on Monday.



8 min ago

Blair County district attorney says his office is prepared to do what's needed to get Mangione to New York​

From CNN's Elise Hammond

Peter Weeks, the district attorney in Blair County, Pennsylvania, said his office will be prepared for when a judge schedules a hearing “to do what’s necessary” to get the man suspected of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson back to New York.

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, is fighting extradition after a court hearing this afternoon. New York prosecutors have charged him with murder, among other charges, according to court filings.

Weeks said contesting extradition, as the suspect did, “just provides more hoops for law enforcement, prosecutors to jump through, but we’re happy to do that.”

Asked if he was disappointed that the suspected shooter is fighting his return to New York, Weeks said, ”people contest extradition all the time.”



42 min ago

Judge denies bail for Mangione, who is fighting extradition​

From CNN's Bonney Kapp

Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was denied bail during a court appearance Tuesday and is now fighting extradition to New York.

A Pennsylvania court has given him 14 days to file for writ of habeas corpus, and a hearing will be scheduled if he does.

Mangione will stay at Huntingdon State Correctional Institution in Pennsylvania. Prosecutors have 30 days to obtain a governor’s warrant.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html?t=1733862626885

 

[BrianJohnson]

Am not US based so not sure about the procedures but is there any way a jury trial could be avoided and the case decided by a panel of judges?

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh my this made me lol for real.

I realize that maybe younger people are maybe more self absorbed and I get it.. but if this guy is going to be the "martyr" of this cause then it would be nice to know if his problems really are a health insurance issue or just a self centered, arrogant, a-hole problem.

What's the adage? When in doubt, pick option B.

jmo

 

[TTF14]

Am not US based so not sure about the procedures but is there any way a jury trial could be avoided and the case decided by a panel of judges?

Not a panel of judges, but he could request a bench trial (one judge).

 

[JennieM]

1 hr 15 min ago

Suspect Luigi Mangione yells as he arrives to court for his hearing​

From CNN's Michelle Watson, Beth English and Sara Smart

Luigi Mangione is led into the Blair County Courthouse for an extradition hearing on December 10 in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania.
Jeff Swensen/Getty Images

Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson who is facing a slew of charges in Pennsylvania and New York arrived to court Tuesday, yelling.

Mangione is now in court awaiting his extradition hearing.

Mangione could be heard yelling, in part, “it’s completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people. It’s lived experience!”

CNN is working to determine what else Mangione yelled as he was escorted inside.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html?t=1733862626885

 

[Inthedetails]

Am not US based so not sure about the procedures but is there any way a jury trial could be avoided and the case decided by a panel of judges?

He could waive a jury trial, but then it would be one judge deciding the verdict, not a panel.

jmo

 

[JennieM]

59 min ago

District attorney's office will work with police to ensure evidence is ready for trial, retired detective says​

From CNN's Elise Hammond

The case of the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is a “heavy case” for law enforcement and prosecutors as they work to go through a mountain of recovered evidence, one retired NYPD detective said.

David Sami told CNN described it as a “multifaceted, heavy case” with a lot of documentation and evidence.

He said the district attorneys office is now going to work with the police department to make sure they have “all the ducks in a row” as they sort through what has been recovered so far and make sure it is ready for trial.

New York prosecutors charged Luigi Mangione with murder and four other charges related to the fake ID and firearm, court documents show. The suspect was arrested in Pennsylvania yesterday when an employee at a local McDonald’s recognized him and called police.

When asked about the suspect sitting at the restaurant for so long, Sami said it could have been that the man thought he was “hiding in plain sight.”

“One thing is you’re dealing with a customer service employee who really sees everybody and that’s what helped the police identify him,” Sami said.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html?t=1733862626885

 

[BrianJohnson]

He could waive a jury trial, but then it would be one judge deciding the verdict, not a panel.

jmo

Thanks I wondered whether it is something that could be imposed as opposed to him having a say in the matter, given the level of support for him on social media an OJ type scenario not unlikely

 

[honestground]

I would be really curious to see this if you’re allowed to post

Many posts about his back issues, medical care, and most interestingly enough to me, some post in the VisualSnow subreddit (if anyone follows the Moscow case, this might be familiar to you).

 

[Warwick7]

based on his outburst it’s likely his trial will become the people v the health insurance industry. given the overwhelming reactions we see online that is not something these companies are going to want to endure. it makes me wonder if there will be pressure to seek a plea agreement. The circus factor will be through the roof otherwise. Tough situation.

I'm sitting back and watching all of this unfold.

1. You just can't go out and kill someone.

2. As you said: "this trial will become the people v the health insurance industry. given the overwhelming reactions we see online that is not something these companies are going to want to endure."

 

[Inthedetails]

Thanks I wondered whether it is something that could be imposed as opposed to him having a say in the matter, given the level of support for him on social media an OJ type scenario not unlikely

No, that cannot be imposed on him. He has the right to a jury trial just like everyone.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

I'm not entirely sure he really expected to be caught. His shaking on being asked if hed been in NYC and the possible urination as a reflex to sheer fright & dread might, just might, be an indication that he really thought he could continue under radar. Has he ever had to suffer the consequences of his own actions? Has he *always* gotten every thing he ever wanted without earning it? Yes, he seems intelligent with a very active mind and is a deep thinker & feeler.
But did he also feel *entitled* to thrust his own adult temper tantrum-by-gun onto BT in the streets of NYC? Seems pretty entitled to me. We have lots more to discover about how he came to be here, a killer, despite a very privileged upbringing. The NC drunk driver bride murderer had a very privileged upbringing also & when lamenting how this could happen to HER, her father's answer was "bad things happen to good people" punkin sweetie pie (or some such hogwash). Then he assured her she would continue to have everything she could ever wish for in jail and plenty to share with her friends also. The enabling was heartbreaking. She was a product of atrocious enabling.

Ugh. I was just listening to her calls recently. The screaming. The selfishness and the enabling. All so, so gross.

While I agree that he felt entitled to kill the victim, I don't get the same vibe with this case that I did with that one. I kind of agree with @MassGuy that there could be some sort of mental issue at play here. The fact that his friends state he went radio silent some months ago points to someone becoming reclusive and possibly dark in their thoughts. He seems to have possibly become misanthropic to some degree. Certain mental health issues tend to emerge in one's 20's.

 

[arielilane]

Perhaps this was already posted?


Jonah Owen Lamb reposted

Scoop:Luigi Mangione appears to have been an active Redditor. A subreddit centered around spinal pain has surfaced his alleged account, which once commented that contemplating a life of chronic pain "completely destroyed" them.

https://forbes.com/sites/sarahemerson/2024/12/10/uhc-shooter-luigi-mangione-appears-to-have-been-a-redditor---and-he-researched-backpacks-and-back-pain/

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That's interesting. My family tell me that they can't tell my pain levels at all, by how I hold my body. I have spondylolisthesis too. I have very bad days and some moderate days. Those closest to me say I'm stoic and that they cannot tell if I'm in pain.

That's interesting as well. Some people do seem to hide pain better than others. My worst was infected-gall-bladder-becoming-pancreatitis and there was no concealing that.

 

[Warwick7]

Lesson I have learned today: do not read the comments on newspapers about people who suffer this condition (or any other condition). I had never heard of spondylolisthesis until this case started. Reading people mentioning that can cause brain fog, inability to do basic things on a daily basis, and continuous suicidal ideation has left me KO. Jmoo.

I don't understand your comment.

 

[DS2021]

Forbes article posted earlier states his reddit username and some information on his posts. Reddit has removed his account but all of his posts are still accessible and very interesting. Am I allowed to post a link to his posts or is that against the rules even though it was verified by Forbes? Thanks for your help!

Rules Thread 'Websleuths Number 1 Rule!'

Sep 23, 2015

It's very basic. Don't Be A Jerk! If you are rude, argumentative, sarcastic, flippant, mean, accusatory, or post anything that would make you look like you are not discussing the case politely and reasonably, then you violate our rule.
DON'T BE A JERK!
Thank you
Tricia

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If forbes linked it, then i think it should be fine!

 

[ttjo]

I have similar thoughts. I thought the monopoly money represented that insurance companies were a "monopoly scheme." I find it odd that he was arrested at McDonald's, of all places, which is known for the Monopoly game. The original game locations are in NJ- fake ID from NJ. NY Avenue- murder. PA Avenue- arrested. Then, of course, jail. I have probably put way too much thought into it, and it could all be coincidental.

No, you make good sense to me, I think there is something to it. He's a game player; the news often reported that it felt like he was playing games. He worked for a company that made strategic games. ( at one point)
Seperate from the murder, I think the game play aspect was just to show how smart he thinks he is, he wanted a cat-and-mouse game, leaving clues and evading capture. Who knows what he was thinking, maybe he thought he'd get away with it. Probably wanted to become as known as others ( as in people who were on his booklist) and maybe get a nickname just like him. He's young and seemed to be living in some fantasy world.