NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[krikken]

If this was his high school graduation speech, I am curious what younger self he was referring to. lol I guess his 16 year old self or was he talking about elementary school? Sounds like he really thinks highly of himself.

No idea off hand where it was from. Someone with his STEM prowess would have learned it before 8th/9th grade geometry. The point was that is a bit slim pickins - do you know many recently discovered big-name principles? Shor's is one, but I ain't got many.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

But how would we know he wasn't in pain? It's invisible to others, kinda like a migraine. We cannot tell by looking if someone is in pain unless they tell someone

On the contrary, serious pain registers on a person's face and in how they hold their body.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Here's a link to his manifesto - 4 pages, use arrow right

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866316972008354169

He discusses his mother's illness, neuropathy, etc.

I'm not sure this has been verified as authentic.

 

[MassGuy]

LIVE: Suspected UnitedHealth CEO shooter Luigi Mangione appears for extradition hearing in Pennsylvania

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866543183670415538

 

[krikken]

118 lbs?!?!?! Wow, this would seem to indicate profound physical deterioration. If he really is around 6 ft. tall, as reported by witnesses, and with the photos of a very well-chiseled body with big muscles posted on his social media, he would have weighed a lot more than 118 lbs. in his better days, I think. Maybe at least 160? Probably a combination of his physical pain and emotional distress and being on the run caused this. He looks a lot older than 26 in the mug shots.

Extremely short, too, according to that record.

 

[Tiff23fr]

ETA:

While Health Care as whole was target #1, I do feel Brian was the (individual) target within UHC because this class action lawsuit may come into play. I don’t feel it is by chance his murder occurred when and where it did. Brian gave testimony on the AI status.

February 27, 2024 - The drop was $27 a share.

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(Reposting if anyone has not had a chance to read it.)

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.215359/gov.uscourts.mnd.215359.1.0.pdf

 

[x_files]

On the contrary, serious pain registers on a person's face and in how they hold their body.

No disrespect but not always. I wish it was true it would be easier to know who was suffering.
Not many people can see it, a trained doctor vs your average person.

 

[SlimPickens]

I'd be interested in the likelihood of increasing paranoia and delusions (independent of schizophrenia) when an individual increasingly isolates himself and communicates or gains information solely through a screen where he is selecting the source. That becomes a solipsist type of existence, with a lack of personal human contact to counter or mitigate fantasy-type thinking that then feels increasingly real.

I feel that his abrupt choice to self-isolate (so unusual that his Mom reported him missing a month ago), particularly when socialization was a large component of his life before, would itself be indicative of some kind of mental issue, be it organic (schizophrenia, brain tumor, etc) or self-induced (hallucinogenics, etc). I feel like we would be getting more of the typical 'he was an odd duck but a good dude otherwise' stories from his friends and family had this type of behavior been present in some form or fashion prior to something happening to him.

I am not advocating or condoning a political view one way or the other here, but to your point I suppose something as simple as an election result could trigger an otherwise normal person to lose most contact with reality, if briefly. And as staunch as he was in his views, and with his views seemingly not aligned with the incoming administration, I suppose something like that could have even set him off on a path like this. He disappeared around the same time as the election (if we assume his mother's missing person's report as the 'when' it began unraveling for him).

JMO.

 

[krikken]

I'm not sure this has been verified as authentic.

My AIdar says nope.

 

[10ofRods]

I am guessing here, but if he had issues with corporates America and insurance companies, then I bet he had something to say about the US military also and the government in general. I doubt he'd want to work for the government.

Seems he had a remote job and he decided to live on Oahu. Maybe his health coverage didn't have in network providers in Hawaii since his job wasn't based in Hawaii. Healthcare was not the greatest in Hawaii when I lived there. It is limited to what is on the island and there was often long waits for referrals due to limited providers. I don't know why he would chose to live in Hawaii if he had a remote job other than he wanted to. Part of adulting is then facing the consequences of that decision. I get it, Hawaii is exciting and so choosing to live there is an adventure and he was young so why not.. well if you need medical care that you can't/aren't getting there, then that is a good reason to not live there. Seems based on that message posted earlier from his friend in Hawaii, he was trying to get back there but had to deal with the back stuff first. So was he in California because that is where he could be seen and get the surgery?

The only dates given in MSM for his being in California relate to a job he took in 2019 or thereabouts, as a counselor for incoming undergrads at Stanford.

Health care shooting arrest: What are Luigi Mangione’s ties to California?

His apparent LinkedIn page listed ties to Stanford University and TrueCar, Inc.

www.kcra.com

Article says 2019, I believe it was a summer job, based on this Newsweek article:

Luigi Mangione is Ivy League graduate, was prep school valedictorian

Mangione was arrested on Monday as a person of interest in the shooting death of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

He doesn't graduate with his co-terminal degrees until 2020 (from Penn). So the Stanford connection is rather in the rearview mirror by then. Nor is it clear if he had more than one stint in Hawaii or even in SF (no evidence of later jobs in California, according to the MSM I'm finding).

If anyone has a MSM article about what happened after 2020, that would be quite interesting.

IMO.

 

[LaborDayRN]

It's ok that we disagree. I don't condone shooting someone, but I understand what may have led him to commit the act.

As someone who has regularly lobbied Congress for health care reform for the last 20+ years, there has been no progress. As most Americans are learning, things are getting much worse, even to the extent that health care providers are increasingly alarmed. We're not in a stalemate, we're losing ground. CEO's are now allowed to commit "murder by spreadsheet" with no consequences. They're legally allowed to revoke and deny health care coverage to seriously ill people.

I understand the average american not being able to afford healthcare. It's a travesty.
What I can't understand is the fact that he comes from an VERY wealthy family who most likely would be able to pay for the surgery for their son out of pocket if need be. This is not your average American family....IMO

 

[Seattle1]

I have not yet been verified (info sent), but I have been practicing criminal law in the tri-state area for over six years.

In short, PL 125.25 (second degree murder) blanket covers the intentional killing of another. It is more commonly used than PL 125.26 (aggravated murder) and 125.27 (first degree murder). PL 125.27 also covers intentional killings, but it requires some other special circumstance to be present (such as the victim being LE, a judge, firefighter, etc.; felony murder; contract killing; etc.). Aggravated murder is an intentional killing of a specific type of victim (LE, fire, etc.), but the statute significantly overlaps with first degree murder. 125.27 is about special circumstances, and 125.26 is specifically about the victim.

125.25, 125.26, and 125.27 are all A-I felonies with similar penalties.

Welcome to WS @legalese. Looking forward to your posts.

 

[Arkay]

Sorry if this has already been posted:
"Luigi Mangione inside Altoona, PA McDonalds eating what appears to be a hash brown before arrest."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866510162569331075

BROUGHT DOWN BY A HASH BROWN!

Love it.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Responding to this from yesterday's closed thread:

"I don't understand people's focus on his Goodreads list, aren't people used to reading ideas from authors who are completely opposite to theirs in order to (in a way) ''protect'' themselves and get a full picture of who are the crazies in society past and present? Maybe I think so because I am a Goodreads volunteer librarian but I read widely, things that I am passionate about and also things that are completely outside my realm/moral values/beliefs to get an insight on what others feel/think, and sort of understand how they react. His Goodreads list (if I did not know he has killed someone) does not tell me anything other than he has an inquisitive mind." @Columbo Was The Best

Three things:

First and foremost, it was one of the first things we were able to read that made him 'human' to us, and not some character in a true crime fiction movie that many people had made him out to be. I don't think it's unnatural to jump to one of the first resources of data that's publicly available when trying to learn who he is.

Second, while I think there are many people like you, it's not uncommon for people to only read literature or consume media that aligns with their ideals. Most of us know a lot more about what believe than what we don't.

Lastly, he wasn't just posting what he read - he left comments and favorited quotes, which is a step further than just trying to have a balanced point of view / perspective on issues. It provides insight into his way of thinking, which is very interesting when dealing with someone who will go to these great lengths to prove a point.

JMO

The second one you mention is really, really unhealthy. Jmoo. In someone who is mentally balanced and able to discern there are differing opinions out there even if they chose not to engage with those, that would cause no problems; in someone too young, gullible, not being exposed to other cultures, with a religious background, and/or going through any kind of trauma, reading exclusively literature or consume media that aligns with their ideals would plant the seed for radicalisation as they would end up thinking ''I am right because everybody thinks the same I do''. This is how deeply ingrained beliefs start and that's a dangerous path to take.

Regarding favourited quotes, again as with the type of books one reads, many people do not choose them because they fully agree with those but because they might consider them thought-provoking, they want to bring attention to those because they think those are shocking, or merely because they like the use of language in them.
One of my favourited quotes on Goodreads is a Roy T. Bennett one I find both bonkers and ideal to create an interesting debate as I do not believe in it at all and I am sure others follow it to a T.

It is always interesting to read different opinions on this issue, so I really appreciate you expressing yours regarding the killer's choice of reading material.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I didn't realize that he went back to MD for his surgery. Hopefully, I can edit my post. I was wondering why he would have surgery in Hawaii. So, was his roommate a former roommate by the time the surgery took place? I actually don't think the surgery was botched. I sure wish the surgeon could speak about the operation, but I know that he can't.

I am just going by what I saw of this guy on video and also him taking a bus for long periods of time and staying in a hostel with roommates. The roomies at the Hostel would be able to tell if LM seemed like he had trouble getting around. I can't see those beds as being top of the line. I would think that his back would be killing him after sleeping in one. I know that my back would be killing me; and I don't really have back problems.

JMO.

One of the hard- to-understand things about severe back pain.... it can effect one so differently than another based on a specific discrete area or which one of thousands of nerves are affected.

I can drive for hours in a car, but I cannot walk any distance at all.
I sleep very well--except for the 4-5 months with severe back and nerve pain, the result from severe nerve damage from a badly administered spinal injection.
I was scheduled for a similar spinal fusion as LM with a good FL surgeon--but I simply could not give in to 4-5 months of recovery and additional disabilities.
But I can attest to the fact that when that pain does reach the 8-9 pain range... you do start to feel insanely and mentally "damaged".

 

[sas0807]

The only dates given in MSM for his being in California relate to a job he took in 2019 or thereabouts, as a counselor for incoming undergrads at Stanford.

Health care shooting arrest: What are Luigi Mangione’s ties to California?

His apparent LinkedIn page listed ties to Stanford University and TrueCar, Inc.

www.kcra.com

Article says 2019, I believe it was a summer job, based on this Newsweek article:

Luigi Mangione is Ivy League graduate, was prep school valedictorian

Mangione was arrested on Monday as a person of interest in the shooting death of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

He doesn't graduate with his co-terminal degrees until 2020 (from Penn). So the Stanford connection is rather in the rearview mirror by then. Nor is it clear if he had more than one stint in Hawaii or even in SF (no evidence of later jobs in California, according to the MSM I'm finding).

If anyone has a MSM article about what happened after 2020, that would be quite interesting.

IMO.

Yeah, it seems unclear at this point where he went after Hawaii. It sounds like he went to get his surgery, but no indication of where this happened. He was working for truecar until 2023, which is based in Santa Monica, but he was working remotely from Hawaii at the time I believe. I am curious as to why his mother thought he would be in SF. Still many pieces missing to the puzzle imo

 

[Betty P]

I'm not sure this has been verified as authentic.

I deleted it.

 

[Furore]

I wonder if they’ll not publish the manifesto due to inspiring copycats. The unverified manifesto posted doesn’t seem to quite match the tone and writing style he uses on twitter or the goodreads review.

 

[sas0807]

I wonder if they’ll not publish the manifesto due to inspiring copycats. The unverified manifesto posted doesn’t seem to quite match the tone and writing style he uses on twitter or the goodreads review.

I feel like at this point they might not given the public reception of the incident. I really want to know what it says though lol

 

[LaborDayRN]

One of the hard- to-understand things about severe back pain.... it can effect one so differently than another based on a specific discrete area or which one of thousands of nerves are affected.

I can drive for hours in a car, but I cannot walk any distance at all.
I sleep very well--except for the 4-5 months with severe back and nerve pain, the result from severe nerve damage from a badly administered spinal injection.
I was scheduled for a similar spinal fusion as LM with a good FL surgeon--but I simply could not give in to 4-5 months of recovery and additional disabilities.
But I can attest to the fact that when that pain does reach the 8-9 pain range... you do start to feel insanely and mentally "damaged".

I'm so sorry your dealing with this @nhmemorymaker