NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Inthedetails]

Well, I have questions. It was my understanding that LM was on a bus that stopped at the McDonald's for a break.
But if the McDonald's local is saying he'd been in the area for a couple of days?

Where was he living?
How was he getting around?

I wonder if LM had been spending time at the McDs for a few days and that is what initially caught the customer's attention. Maybe it had wifi for the laptop.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Unverified Luigi Mangione Substack "manifesto" shared online—What we know

Blog post described as "luigi mangione's last words" was shared widely on social media, despite seemingly being published after Mangione's arrest.

www.newsweek.com

Despite Mangione's arrest and charges being a matter of public knowledge, the Substack went live on Monday evening, with a Wayback Machine record showing that it had been "launched" for two hours as of 9:43 pm ET. Page data suggests the post was published at around 6:06 pm ET.

However, Mangione was arrested on Monday morning as per New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch's statement the same day. Although Substack posts can be scheduled to be published at a set time, the timeline leading to Mangione's arrest suggests he may have had little opportunity to write a post, not least of all the counterintuitive move of publishing digital content that could help trace his identity and location.

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[justtrish]

Then let me revise.

He's likely going to be enraged and shouting into the future, so it's important that LE get a grip on how to handle him.

Dozens and hundreds of perps are unruly. Most of the time, LE (where I live) tries hard to anticipate that, so as to avoid awkward photos like this one - which benefits the perp, IMO. In these circumstances.

The real issue is: are criminal defendants disallowed by law from speaking in court? No, they are not - not exactly. A judge can cause them to face contempt charges (which should happen in cases like this - but we all know that to someone who is facing life in prison, that's not much of a disincentive).

The defense got a good photo op. It was not necessary. If he had still been yelling inside the court, let judge and bailiff deal with it (it's part of Justice, after all).

If people don't think the police actions are viewed askance by many Americans, then I don't know what to say. This particular guy has way more popular support than he should - and as someone whose own life work has been about primitive rebellion and Robin Hood-like attempts to gain public opinion, well, do people really not see how badly this reads to the public? This is the highest profile case of its type. It's going to go on for a long time.

His shouting is going to continue to be a problem. Is he going to be deemed seriously mentally ill because he has his viewpoints? Really? That's not usually how psychiatric diagnosis works. In mental hospitals, we see people like this all day, every day - and using a neck pinch is very, very rare. Why not use the same techniques as we do in mental hospitals? I work in hospitals for the criminally insane and cringed.

OTOH, this is a small town in PA. I live in a big city, with way more attention paid to such incidents in court (at least locally).

He was, according to MSM, shouting at reporters, trying to be heard. This will resonate with many Americans. He knows what he's doing.

IMO

Maybe they need to transport him out of the view of reporters next time so he doesn't have an audience of reporters waiting for the photo op of him yelling.

 

[10ofRods]

I am now curious about LM posting on social media forums having to do with visual snow.

Hmmm.

 

[Sincerely]

Could the no-sex thing have ruined a relationship and then he flipped?

I was just about to ask this question. I’m curious if a relationship dissolved around the time he distanced himself from everyone.

 

[m00c0w]

I am now curious about LM posting on social media forums having to do with visual snow.

Hmmm.

Wait, did he? That would be a pretty crazy coincidence.

 

[caradana]

Yale linguist and Penn psych here. I can’t make any sense of your post.

How did they put it in Cabaret? A very cunning … . TL;DR: Engineers keep it short form. Xo

 

[JudyBolton]

I want to read the missing person report his Mother made or even better yet...hear her call to the police to report her son missing. What was going on in November? When was the last time LM was seen by a friend or family member. Where has he been living? We haven't heard anything about a search warrant for his residence. Was he employed?
I think he may have the start of schizophrenia. He's a male who is at 'that age'. If he was self medicating that could have been a catalyst.

One comment that stood out to me was the guy who posted about his wedding. Apparently, suspect had agreed to be in the wedding then stopped communication. The messages from the groom sounded pretty upset and frantic to find out if he was going to show up or not. Another interesting point was the wedding was held at Mangione's family's resort/country club...therefore, I would assume they would know if he was a no-show.

 

[10ofRods]

His lawyer said that he told him to shut up, and I guess he was a completely different person in court. He also exited calmly, without making a stir.

I imagine this won’t be happening again.

That outburst was pretty incredible though. Lots of images of him sneering in the direction of the press, and that was well before the deputies got hold of him.

Where I work, he'd be offered much-needed psych meds (anti-anxiety most likely). That's the role of a jail psychiatrist.

They can keep these outburst on the down-low. Usually I'd say that's the best course for the perp/patient - but in this case, I think he wants attention and to be famous and, like OJ, we're going to have a very peculiar and 21st century version of the OJ trial.

Very divided populace (jurors).

 

[caradana]

We shall see. I assume he'll change tactics as the days go by, but I do believe he has now discovered he has what he wants:

the Public Lens.

Sneering, acting out - but publicly shown to the rest of us. I too think that his jailers will figure out the ways that are most used to prevent things like this from happening. They can't stop the sneers. Looks like he's obeying his lawyer - and that will be key to his future conduct. Put him back in civilian clothes, bow to his food requests, give him the sense that his lawyers are on his side and he will reform himself.

Neck pinching should be minimized, esp when cameras are rolling.

IMO.

Yea, I think excellent points here by @10ofRods. There were some a few days ago saying this shooter’s mission is not fully realized unless he’s caught and the motive is confirmed. He wouldn’t get the clarity of public lens unless that happened. And, here we are - and it’s happening, right? Has there ever been a sharper public lens into health care claims denials than there is tonight, right now?

 

[Inthedetails]

Altoona police taking threats to officers and community members seriously, police chief says​

From CNN's Michelle Watson
Community members as well as police officers in Altoona, Pennsylvania, are receiving threats in the wake of Luigi Mangione’s capture, Altoona Deputy Chief of Police Derek Swope told reporters Tuesday.

“We have received some threats against our officers in building here. We’ve started investigating some threats against some citizens in our community,” Swope said. “We’re taking all those threats seriously.”

Swope also called Mangione’s case “polarizing.”

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24/index.html

Somebody's going to find out that Altoona police officers aren't fodder for TikTok content.

jmo

 

[JudyBolton]

Thank you. I don't watch CNN so I was unaware.

neither do I - I read it in his bio. Lawyer Thomas M. Dickey - Altoona, Pa | Law suits | Legal Custody | DUI
Also, I didn't see it but someone posted here that he held a press conference after the hearing which was described as a "nothing burger!" From those two tidbits, I have drawn some conclusions about him.

 

[Tower]

I learned from experience through my wife's herniated disc, that the one year outcome is about the same for the surgical and non surgical treatments. Surgery will usually get a person back to work more quickly so that's the deciding factor. The exception is severe cases such as when there is bladder or bowel problems, or likely permanent nerve damage. My wife didn't work, so she was advised to wait it out. It was misery for a while, but after about a year she was fine. Now she acts like it never happened, so I'm concerned she'll injure herself again. Average people would benefit from more knowledge about spinal health. Relating this back to this case, he may have pushed for surgery when he could have chosen other approaches.

It’s compelling to me that other countries have a much lower rate of spinal surgery, and also better outcomes than the US.

You can speculate that “socialized medicine” plays into this and it does, but outcomes after surgery are not better than if the patient tries other, non-surgical options.

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www.aafp.org

 

[OneLove]

That’s a pretty verbose way to say it hasn’t been verified or validated, and there is no proof it’s his.

This is literally a random essay on a random substack published after he was arrested that doesn’t align with known facts about him. Everyone is free to believe what they want, but I try to avoid falling for fraudulent information as much as possible.

JMO

Because many of us are not privvy to all the "known facts", could you tell us what in this "random essay" does not align with the known facts? That would be very helpful and thank you so much.

I think because Substack allows timed releases, it seems plausible in LM's situation & with his tech knowledge & experience, that he would have exactly something like this set up to auto deploy within a certain timeframe unless he intentionally reset it to not deploy. He could have done this on a daily basis since the very day right before leaving the hostel to commit this cold blooded murder. Being fairly smart, or thinking himself so anyway, it'd be unthinkable for him not to have done this as a part of making his point known.

 

[caradana]

Unverified Luigi Mangione Substack "manifesto" shared online—What we know

Blog post described as "luigi mangione's last words" was shared widely on social media, despite seemingly being published after Mangione's arrest.

www.newsweek.com

Despite Mangione's arrest and charges being a matter of public knowledge, the Substack went live on Monday evening, with a Wayback Machine record showing that it had been "launched" for two hours as of 9:43 pm ET. Page data suggests the post was published at around 6:06 pm ET.

However, Mangione was arrested on Monday morning as per New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch's statement the same day. Although Substack posts can be scheduled to be published at a set time, the timeline leading to Mangione's arrest suggests he may have had little opportunity to write a post, not least of all the counterintuitive move of publishing digital content that could help trace his identity and location. <modsnip: Snipped to comply with no more than 10% rule>

Another stellar analysis from @MassGuy … I think he’ll eventually say if it’s his, one way or the other. I will say that Substack’s timed release algo is very easy to use.

 

[MassGuy]

would be difficult to have surgery like this without some one to drive you to the hospital; help you at discharge IMO

That's a good point, I know many hospitals require that. I had minor foot surgery not too long ago, and they required me to have someone pick me up. I'm sure they would have required the same for LM, as his surgery would have been pretty debilitating.

I didn't have any friends or family able to do that (I was in a city across the country), so I told my surgeon and staff that my brother would be picking me up. They wheeled me to the entrance, not realizing that I had called an Uber. I remember thinking "please be a white guy, please be a white guy" because I hoped the driver would be someone who resembled someone who could actually be my brother. Naturally the driver was a female, and the wrong race.

I got out of there quick.

My guess is that he did have someone there to do that, but who knows.

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe they need to transport him out of the view of reporters next time so he doesn't have an audience of reporters waiting for the photo op of him yelling.

IKR?

I think that's part of what MassGuy and I have been saying. This is why most courts have a way of getting the perp to court without this kind of media coverage.

It'll happen. It's probably a reason he's fighting extradition, as well - he wants a few more of these opportunities.

If he can get more evidence of being pinched at the neck by police, that just makes him sympathetic to many viewers who believe police are overstepping.

The solution is to make sure things are done more calmly, and without press cameras on the perp. That's why more and more trials are not televised nor do they allow sound recording and increasingly, not even typed note-taking.

This is where we're at - and this guy is a total wild card. I predict that others will learn from his case. He's going to cost New York a lot of money during his trial - he already is.

IMO.

 

[Luna20]

Could the no-sex thing have ruined a relationship and then he flipped?

That could be but it hasn’t been referenced yet. It has to be devastating to be in your early twenties with that outlook.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why is the financial independence hard to believe? I’ve seen mixed reports (data analyst or software engineer) on his current/previous (not sure the status) job, but both usually pay very well. If he was getting San Francisco pay, it was likely top tier. A young person with very limited bills and a well paying job likely wouldn’t have to live paycheck to paycheck.

But I agree - idk why his family didn’t try harder to track him down, but I also haven’t seen any specifics such as what is normal for their family.

I’m well aware of the pay. I’m going on 30 years. I haven’t seen his resume so it’s hard to say what his work and pay history is. If I had to guess his work history and pay isn’t impressive. He’s fresh with a new degree and not a lot of experience. The pay starts out well, but it’s not over the top. It takes time and experience to get there. I believe that might be part of his downward spiral. Well I should say, not impressive enough to travel the word and not work for extended periods of time. jmo

 

[waldojabba]

Is there a Kaczinsky Syndrome, some math-linked genetic predisposition, where sufferer quits typical life at mid-twenties to embark on a quest to murder a chosen subset of “Corporate” America.??

I am late to the thread so someone else I am sure has already mentioned it but just in case -
We are certainly still in the
early stages of information gathering, and there is no "syndrome" persay imo but
Iirc from my schooling, and IME the late teens to mid twenties ish, are a period of time that the onset of several mental health disorders can occur even in those who are deemed gifted. I will be unsurprised if that is what we are dealing with here.
Mental illness does NOT mean hes not culpable and that he won't pay the ultimate pricce - whatever that sentence is in the NY court system. I do not believe the internet noise will carry over to a jury years from now. But we are not quite there yet.
JMO