NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[nhmemorymaker]

Wow. I think there are going quite a few tips that correctly identified him, although that was likely the only one from law enforcement.

The issue would have been the shear number of them, which would likely taken a substantial amount of time to investigate.

Must be the truth of the matter.
In the beginning I couldn't believe no one easily recognized him... iwhat lead my belief that he was a foreigner.
But the reverse was probably true.... so MANY people probably did recognize him, that they were overwhelmed.

 

[Seattle1]

IMO it's wild that the SFPD able to identify him so quickly but literally nobody who knew him well was able to do so (as far as we know).

I don't think it wild. IMO, SFPD had his name, age, photo, on their radar because he'd been reported as a (voluntarily?) missing person by a prominent family a couple weeks earlier. On the other hand, I don't think his personal friends even considered the masked guy could be LM-it was simply inconceivable at the time this was going on. For NY, there was nothing distinct about him. By all accounts I've read-- friends are in disbelief and shock. MOO

 

[fcavanaugh]

I see no problem at all with someone NOT admiring/supporting LM, while still having the same complaints about the healthcare insurance industry that he does.

There are a LOT of people who think the same things about the industry as LM claims to think. But there are (hopefully) VERY few people who think that the solution to the problem is to kill the CEO!

So railing against the healthcare insurance industry and even the individual execs can easily go hand in hand with condemning the criminal actions of LM. No problem at all in my mind with someone saying both of those things simultaneously.

But it seems some people are somehow confused and think their hatred of the industry means support of murder by LM. How that's happening I don't understand, but yes, it might be partly due to LM being such an admirable guy in many ways except for his one fatal flaw.

Thank you for your thoughtful, insightful reply. I’m going to read it again a couple more times and give it time to sink in and digest, much appreciated @sunspun.

 

[Gemmie]

The grandmother of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione left her family at least $30 million in her will — but specified that anyone “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony” would be cut out.

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

That is very, very interesting. The silver lining to her death is thankfully LM's grandmother passed before she could hear of what sort of heinous crime her grandson is accused of committing. She'd have been rolling over in her grave if she didn't put clause into her will. But it kinda makes one wonder why someone would even think to do that? Did she know something (not specifically about this murder). Premonition? Gut feeling? It was something.

 

[DancingMuse]

IMO it's wild that the SFPD able to identify him so quickly but literally nobody who knew him well was able to do so (as far as we know).

This is definitely wild.

My flabbers definitely be gasted!

Amazing amount of cooperation and communication and dissemination of critical info to the Public that had to happen between and from police departments !!!!

Thank you to SF, Altoona and NYPD!!!!!

Awesome work.

(There was much more going on behind the scenes. Thx to those folks too. )
MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Suddenly reminded of
Mark David Chapman, the man who shot John Lennon. His lawyer said he had paranoid schizophrenia. MDC spent time in Hawaii, travelled the world and eventually fixated on John Lennon, spent months planning his murder. Just walked up and shot him. IMO makes about same amount of sense as LM murder of a CEO guy to whom he had no logical connection.

Really, bean counter conference? … his obsession with BT, and clearly disjointed thoughts that he could not pull together into a coherent “manifesto” …. It was only 300 disorganized words … less than typical high school essay and badly written.

IMO he needed to kill BT to stop his obsessive thoughts about BT/healthcare/money & the system.
He needed to make his obsessive thoughts stop. And he made a murder plan to make it stop. There was no point to the murder, none at all.

Mark David Chapman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This doesn't seem disjointed at all to me. The "bean counter" thing you're referencing is apparently within what he describes as "straggling notes." Chapman is your prototypical assassin (mental issues, poor planning, etc), but this guy is very different.

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.

"This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience.

"The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.

"I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done.

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.

"United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but [h]as our life expectancy?

"No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.

"Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain.

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

Luigi Mangione's full manifesto was released by journalist Ken Klippenstein and later confirmed to be legitimate by police.

www.newsweek.com

 

[citygirl]

Oh, I'd imagine both friends and family recognized LM. I'd also venture a guess there was a whole bunch of denial going on as well. Hence no call in from F & F. JMO!

Because they thought he was half way across the country. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

I thought it meant he was teaching a beginner surfing class, not participating as a student. I believe it was said he and some others organized this beginner surfing class.

From the article I linked (will link again):

But his first surfing lesson turned into a nightmare when it triggered Mangione’s spinal problems and left him in bed for a week with his back and hips “locked up.”

To me that says he was taking his first lesson. Further, on Honolulu (and all the islands) surf lesson concessions are very regulated. Other articles say it was his first and last time surfing. Martin is his landlord/roommate:

“Martin said Mangione took a basic surf lesson that ended up leaving him in bed for about and week and that ‘it was really traumatic and difficult.’”

Took a basic surf lesson.

“He went surfing with R.J. once but it didn’t work out because of his back.”

The group he lived with was not a group of surfers, at least not as reported in MSM.

Suspect in Health Care C.E.O.’s Killing Charged With Murder

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, 26, was charged by New York prosecutors. He was arrested and arraigned in Altoona, Pa., on Monday after being spotted at a McDonald’s.

www.nytimes.com

How a Freak Accident Turned Luigi Mangione Into a Vengeful Murder Suspect

Luigi Mangione appeared to be living the dream when he moved to Honolulu to spend six months at a $2,000-a-month beach community. From a prominent Baltimore family, he was the valedictorian of his class at the prestigious Gilman School and passed with flying colors from his graduating class at...

www.yahoo.com

https://www.surfer.com/news/luigi-mangione-went-crazy-after-surf-injury

From this, my deduction is that he was a beginner surfer and went surfing once, with R.J. Where he over-extended his back and was apparently in bed for more than a week.

IMO

 

[bestill]

Replying to my own post because it just occurred to me why they can’t access his phone, which he seemingly addressed in his manifesto:

“My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.”

Do you think it's his personal phone or a burner? His parents may have cut him off, which is why he wasn't communicating with them. Or it could be still part of a family plan and they may not agree to having LE search it. That would complicate things if the phone is still part of a family plan. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

^^rsbm

IMO, I think this says it all. This was all about him. LM thinking, believing he'd have the infamy of being the first-- all in the guise of "brutal honesty." Selfish... Pft..

 

[Teche]

I am wondering the same. We have glimpses of the Japan Version of Luigi, the HI version, Thailand, Penn and Maryland Version, the online Reddit version. So who was San Francisco Luigi after he was no longer with TrueCar?

Is there any information regarding his visit to Thailand?

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think it's his personal phone or a burner? His parents may have cut him off, which is why he wasn't communicating with them. Or it could be still part of a family plan and they may not agree to having LE search it. That would complicate things if the phone is still part of a family plan. JMO

Whatever plan it's on wouldn't be an issue. The issue isn't the law, it's breaking the code. I don't know what to make of the phone, and if it's his or not. We've heard conflicting reports on that.

 

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[branmuffin]

I believe in the Silent Majority theory. The keyboard warriors squawk the loudest; however, I do not think that the majority of Americans are siding with LM. Those who are on his side are definitely ignoring his wealth and privilege and his family ties to capitalism. Not many have been afforded thet luxuries that he has. I mean, for his youth, he sure has traveled quite a bit and experienced more than many do in a lifetime. Now, that happens to include murder.

JMO.

You make it sound like wealthy people are incapable of feeling empathy for those less well off than they. You make it sound like privilege pre-empts an individual to be aware of those who suffer medical catastrophes and chose to ignore those in power who do nothing about it.

 

[mrstfs]

Is there any information regarding his visit to Thailand?

This is what I saw regarding Thailand.

Luigi Mangione’s Pal Reveals Rapid Unraveling Came After Carefree Vacation

A photo from the April 2024 trip show the alleged killer riding a motorcycle as he grins and flips a shaka gesture—a Hawaiian symbol of chilled-out fun.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[citygirl]

Do you think it's his personal phone or a burner? His parents may have cut him off, which is why he wasn't communicating with them. Or it could be still part of a family plan and they may not agree to having LE search it. That would complicate things if the phone is still part of a family plan. JMO

I think he cut his parents and friends off. Classic. JMO

 

[DMB]

Oh, I'd imagine both friends and family recognized LM. I'd also venture a guess there was a whole bunch of denial going on as well. Hence no call in from F & F. JMO!

I imagine that both San Fran & NYC police contacted family immediately

 

[Big Ears]

Luigi Mangione had the whole world at his fingertips. Now, Mangione is sitting in an isolation cell in SCI Huntingdon, a state prison located in the heart of the Appalachian region in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania.

On Thursday, the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections released an image of a cell “similar to” Mangione’s cell. Officials said the photo of an empty 15-by-6-foot prison cell shares a concrete wall with Mangione’s cell.

It features a desk and stool; sink attached to a toilet; and an elevated concrete bed with a pad atop it.

The hash brown breakfast at McDonalds very well might have been his last meal before a lengthy bout of prison food.

Wednesday morning, staff treated Mangione to a cup of grits, half a cup of scrambled eggs, two teaspoons of margarine, 8 ounces of milk, and coffee with one or two packets of sugar.

At lunch, he had porcupine meatball, a 4-ounce entree, with mashed potatoes, a mix of vegetables referred to as a “Normandy blend,” gravy, two slices of bread and canned fruit, alongside a beverage with a lemon packet.

For dinner, he ate macaroni and cheese with stewed tomatoes, broccoli, and a beverage with a tea packet.

Source: What Luigi Mangione’s life looks like inside Pennsylvania prison

 

[mrstfs]

Does anyone know if the type of surgery he allegedly had would leave a scar on his back?

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

You make it sound like wealthy people are incapable of feeling empathy for those less well off than they. You make it sound like privilege pre-empts an individual to be aware of those who suffer medical catastrophes and chose to ignore those in power who do nothing about it.

Most wealthy people who care about the underprivileged choose more acceptable ways of helping the suffering and those less fortunate than themselves.

We for example tithe to the church to help with the underprivileged in our community as well as missionaries around the world. Our church does lots of other things, too. Murdering is not an acceptable way to show empathy.

I guess that I'm not convinced that LM is empathetic and murdered BT for insurance injustices. I believe that there is something mentally wrong with this young man.

Just my opinion, though.