NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown.

[Deleted member 306806]

This is still such a sticking point with me.
How did the shooter know to be exactly where BT was at that time of the morning?

Maybe he didn't? Maybe he knew the conference was there, and expected SOME CEO associated with the conference to be out of the hotel walking around. Maybe he knew the conference was there and had a different plan if he did not encounter a target outside. It just happened to be BT.

 

[YouWho]

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So egregious.

 

[flowershop]

The bullets are said to have the words "Delay" and "Depose" which is different than an earlier report by ABC News indicating that three words were found on the bullet casings.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/05/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-killed-what-we-know-hnk/index.html

 

[NottaYutz]

Descriptions of the conference seem to portray it as a conference for institutional investors, not stockholders. Stockholders wouldn't necessarily know about the conference, or be invited. The notification and invitees have not yet been clearly described in press releases.

Good point. Perhaps some behind-the-scenes connecting took place? As in whomever hired him (if he was hired), spent time cultivating online relationships with key people who may have known his scheduling, doing the online friendship gig, to wiggle in and find out things needed for the hit? As always, just speculation and my opinion.

In this information age, it's frighteningly easy to track someone with the intent to kill them; the difficult part is not getting caught.

 

[MassGuy]

CNN:

Gunman stayed in hostel for a couple of days.

Fingerprint has not produced a match.

 

[eloquence]

Do you know how open these meetings are? For example, could somebody request a entry ticket by claiming to represent an investment institution.

If so, I wonder what scrutiny the hosting company would give such a request?

- A "Show us you are serious by giving us more information as to who you are" route to weed out potential protestors making disruptions, security threats etc.

- A "Cover letter looks plausible, we need cash, never had protestor problems, here is a ticket" approach.

As someone who works in this industry, we only invite our largest 100 or so institutional investors, plus equity research analysts, to investor day. We would regularly engage with those investors so we know what people would be coming from each firm, saying you work for XYZ firm is not going to cut it. The public can watch via a live stream.

There have been multiple incidents of protesters who sneak into conferences and interrupt speakers, so there is a lot of vetting, government ID required, and only known people can get in

 

[soap mama]

This thread is moving so fast, i hate to even comment bc im probably so far behind.
I am stunned that those words were written on the shell casing.

 

[sds71]

Ben Feuerherd

@benfeuerherd


NEW: A rep from Hostelling International USA, the parent company of HI New York City Hostel on the Upper West Side says: "We are fully cooperating with the NYPD."

 

[PrairieWind]

Deny Delay Defend. That is what Insurance companies do with claims. The shooter answered by Defying Defending and Deposing the head of the company snake. Clearly this is very targeted and persona to the shooter. Who did he lose because of the company denying a claim or recommended treatment? That is how they will catch him. MOO

Maybe not personal to the shooter, who could have been hired. But was handed the ammunition and told, "use these bullets when you do it. "

 

[Inthedetails]

CNN:

Gunman stayed in hostel for a couple of days.

Fingerprint has not produced a match.

I'm assuming he departed from the hostel in the morning and they have that on video. Did he return to the hostel after the murder?

jmopinion

 

[MassGuy]

CNN law enforcement analyst:

These shooters make all these plans, but they're not professionals like in the movies. They don't have contingency plans, and they make mistakes.

She thinks this killing was very personal to the gunman.

 

[knla]

Do you know how open these meetings are? For example, could somebody request a entry ticket by claiming to represent an investment institution?

If so, I wonder what scrutiny the hosting company would give such a request?

- A "Show us you are serious by giving us more information as to who you are" route to weed out potential protestors making disruptions, security threats etc.

- A "Cover letter looks plausible, never had protestor problems, we need cash, here is a ticket" approach.

I believe all shareholders can attend annual meetings.

 

[BUF]

Per CNN, shooter had been staying at a hostel on the upper west side for the past few days. He always wore a mask around the hostel, but authorities did find an image where he didn’t have the mask on.

They were able to pull finger prints from the water bottle and phone they found.

 

[Arkay]

Trying to catch up….if LE is searching “his” room then they must know who it is, unless I skimmed these posts too quickly while catching up and I’m misunderstanding.

I feel echoes of Occupy Wall Street and the like, although that was more about wealth disparity than health care.

I appreciate those here who explained that an investors’ conference is not the same as regular annual stockholders’ meetings. As a small-time stock owner I’m always bombarded by invitations to stockholder annual meetings, which I’ve no interest in, but yesterday at first I thought that may be how the gunman knew about the meeting.

And of course even if it were an open stockholder meeting, that doesn’t explain how the killer knew BT was not staying at the same hotel where the conference was to be held.

So far the stock seems to be plunging.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm assuming he departed from the hostel in the morning and they have that on video. Did he return to the hostel after the murder?

jmopinion

I think he went straight to the park and changed. He'd want to change his appearance as soon as possible and likely flee the immediate area. I don't see him going back.

 

[alsleuther]

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United Healthcare has a corporate jet. That's probably how he flew to NYC.

My husband gets to go on his company's sometimes with his boss and the CEO just calls and books it, they pick a time, then they decide they want to grab coffee and take one more phone call and then the flight takes off an hour late, or his boss is itching to go and they push it up an hour. Even I can't keep track of when the plane is coming or going.

I'm just saying it would be really hard for a random hitman to track the CEO on his corporate jet to the private airport where he lands (which has heavy security - you can't ride your E-bike in) and then follow him to his hotel to figure out where he is staying

If he had no insider knowledge he would assume the CEO was staying at the Hilton, where the conference was taking place.

I just suspect there is a very personal love angle to this hit, considering the fact the hitman knew that he was staying in another hotel and what time to expect him to walk over.

 

[Periwinkl3]

CNN:

Gunman stayed in hostel for a couple of days.

Fingerprint has not produced a match.

I wonder what he used as ID? Could have traveled on his own passport but used a fake local ID for the hostel.

He had help.

 

[Angelcat13]

I might be reading way too much into this, but the casual actions of dropping items makes me skittish.

Is he so clumsy to accidentally forget items, even though we see him incredibly composed with the jammed gun and calm demeanor during the shooting? Is he cavalier, thinking he won't be caught no matter what he drops? Is it disregard in general, just leaving trash because he thinks the world around him is trash anyway? Or does he consider cleaning trash not his job - he's there to kill, not to care about water bottles and snack packaging.

Calm, cool, early-riser, fancy backpack guy...but drops wrappers?

Could be nothing but a dumb criminal, I know.

jmo

Or could he be intentionally “accidentally” dropping items with some random person’s fingerprints/dna knowing the items will be forensically examined and won’t come back to him? Essentially a fake trail of bread crumbs.

 

[Otterly]

CNN:

Gunman stayed in hostel for a couple of days.

Fingerprint has not produced a match.

If there's not a match found in the system, that means he's probably not been arrested before.

 

[armchairagatha]

Maybe he didn't? Maybe he knew the conference was there, and expected SOME CEO associated with the conference to be out of the hotel walking around. Maybe he knew the conference was there and had a different plan if he did not encounter a target outside. It just happened to be BT.

The words on the bullets would only match Thompson who was a health insurance CEO. This was 100% targeted. Not a random encounter.