4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[mrjitty]

The orders and reasoning are fantastic and clear. We now know from Franks order that the expanded date range for Elantra from 2011-2013, to 2011-2016 occurred on Nov 26th 2022. At the behest of SA Imel. That puts to bed all those baseless conspiracies that Payne did this on his own after receiving the IGG tip on about Dec 19th. Also put to bed all those accusations and insinuations that DM's description of the defendant in PCA was at odds with her description over her at least x3 interviews. Judge Hipper found the description per PCA completely above board. Good.

Which is why AT conspicuously did not dive into the detail with Payne. No lie was exposed. She knew this all along. I hope this stands as a warning about how defence attorneys intentionally mislead by omission and out of context paraphrasing!

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Not sure about you, but if a bunch of cops suddenly bust in doors and windows and raid my house, I’m probably not “engaging in small talk.”

What I am doing is screaming and swearing, yelling “what the *advertiser censored** is going on?!”

That’s just me though.
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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defendants-Motions-Suppress-Arrest-Warrants-Pensylvania-Apartment.pdf

BK tipped his hand here IMO because he wanted and needed to know what LE knew. Not so cool under pressure after all.

Judge Hippler is the man. Concise, well written replies to the D's MTS efforts. Denied, Denied, Denied. Can you even imagine the mood at the D office? Wonder what BK is thinking...not the smartest guy in the room after all.

JMO

 

[jepop]

One murderer, one sheath, an item that the witness mistook for a small vacuum.

Possibly a small bag or container of some sort.

Yep, I'd go with this. No second sheathe. Jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

No crate. But it also flies in the face of AT's weird inclusion. So bedroom doors were open. That Murphy didn't enter any of the bloody rooms isn't proof of anything.

JMO

Maybe Kaylee's door to her room was shut. Murphy would have been comfortable enough to sleep there on her bed having been raised living in the house, especially her room. I think the door was closed because I feel like he would have gotten down and wandered around after hearing noises. Doggo's know things.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

If they cry on the stand because their best friends were brutally killed plus the detective testifies how extremely traumatized and in shock they were, plus the survivors guilt you mention etc......

Then the prosecution should keep their darn mouths shut. Nothing to say to change these severe facts.

Wouldn't surprise me to see 1/2 that courtroom and jurors in tears.


2 Cents

Those surviving roommates are victims, especially DM. I can't even begin to imagine the trauma and survivors guilt they have experienced. It will affect them their entire lives IMO.

If AT goes after DM on the stand, she's making a big mistake.

JMO

 

[jepop]

Dog Crate and KG's purse were both found inside of KG's new car according to Mrs. G. It is perplexing. Was KG getting ready to leave? Not sure. JMO.

I'd like to see an approved source for this assertion. I have listened online x2 times to an interview of Mrs and Mr G conducted by unapproved source dated Nov 20th 2022 and found nothing/ zero stated to this effect. Imo this is unsubstantiated rumour. Moo

 

[Cool Cats]

Those surviving roommates are victims, especially DM. I can't even begin to imagine the trauma and survivors guilt they have experienced. It will affect them their entire lives IMO.

If AT goes after DM on the stand, she's making a big mistake.

JMO

Yes, I forgot to mention victims.

The 2 witnesses are true victims and any defense attorney "going after them" is an azz playing with fire.

 

[jepop]

I don't think it was a vacuum. I think you are getting the impressions of a still drunk, half asleep girl who is confused by what she is hearing and seeing in the dimly lit area outside her door.

Remember those early rumors about a towel missing from the 1st floor bathroom? Killing X and E, and then quickly wrapping your huge sharp knife in a hand towel or even bath towel so that you don't cut yourself as you escape...gives you a bulky foot to foot and a half long object that her mind could easily interpret as something like a Dustbuster/Dirt Devil.

Sounds about right to me. I am going with Occam's razor on the leaving behind of the sheathe and how he carried the knife out of the premises after murdering XK and EM. Quickly grabbing what was to hand, for eg. a towel, sounds sensible and likely to me. Sheathe was accidentally left in the course of committing his first murders. Jmo

 

[INfisherman]

So, I'm too old to know what 28 yos do......

How common is it for ppl in their late twenties to use a VPN on their cell phone while checking their email out in public?

I wouldn’t call it common but there are those who want complete privacy - types that feel big brother is always watching. Average user? Nah.

What might be quite telling is how long BK utilized a VPN, though. If he implemented it in the months leading up to the murders….well…..uh oh.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Another possibility. Maybe the bag that MM saw the man put his clothes into? JMO.

Source? What bag? MM was murdered.

 

[jepop]

from Franks pdf:

re: barking and Murphy

pg 22: police conducted a test to try to figure out if the dog barking on the video was more likely outside or inside while barking...it sounds like they think it was coming from outside?

pg 22: "However, Defendant's argument assumes, without proof, there were no doors left open in the home after the suspect left. This assumption is not only speculative, but contrary to evidence in his proffer that the sliding glass door to the residence, the same door toward which D.M.reportedly saw the suspect walk, was left open."

So, opposite of the rumor that it was the 1st floor door left open!

pg 22 footnote 31: Officer Nunes' body camera showed he found Murphy lying on Kaylee's bed--so that answers the crate or no crate questions

Not sure, but I still think we're in the dark regarding if it was actually Murphy barking? Hippler doesn't go into detail about the results of the inside/outside tests. Jmo guessing there were other dogs present in the immediate neighbourhood. Moo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

IMO, you forgot to list the option that he intentionally left the leather sheath as a calling card. IMO, it is more likely than any of the other suggestions you listed.

Especially if he was using one of those K-Bar sheaths as mentioned up thread (not verified, just a speculation)

He possibly left and 'untouched' and rigorously cleansed sheath to throw the scent.

If he went to that extent, I'd be astounded to find out he purchased the knife via an online retailer or in any way that could be evidenced. JMO MOO

 

[mrjitty]

This seems like it will be bad for the defence ...

 

[INfisherman]

This seems like it will be bad for the defence ...

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Probably a bit soon for concrete boots, but the mixer has definitely been fired up & is spinning the aggregate.

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Judge Steven Hippler was not swayed by legal arguments made by Bryan Kohberger's defense team that law enforcement violated his constitutional rights when they used a process called Investigative Genetic Genealogy, or IGG, to identify possible suspects

Judge in University of Idaho killings case makes ruling on key DNA evidence

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers argued law enforcement violated his constitutional rights when they used Investigative Genetic Genealogy to identify possible suspects.

www.cbsnews.com

"The Court finds Defendant has failed to demonstrate his constitutional rights were contravened by the IGG and trash pill an, therefore, suppression is not warranted."

Bryan Kohberger suffers legal blow

A judge declined to throw out key DNA evidence that Kohberger's defense team had sought to suppress.

www.newsweek.com

On the critical DNA evidence, the judge wrote Kohberger's lawyers "failed to demonstrate his constitutional rights were" violated by detectives' use of the controversial new technique known as investigative genetic genealogy, which involves building out a family tree to zero in on a suspect.

Idaho college killings: Judge denies Bryan Kohberger request to exclude DNA evidence

McQueen/Getty Images(NEW YORK) -- In a major ruling, the judge overseeing the case of the man charged with killing four Idaho college students in 2022 has denied a request to exclude potentially key DNA and other evidence from his upcoming capital murder trial.Lawyers for Bryan Kohberger had...

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[Megnut]

This seems like it will be bad for the defence ...

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Just jumping on off your post. (I love your tone here!)

Setting aside the horror of the crime momentarily, this is a real front row glimpse into, well, how the sausage is made at the defense factory.

Guilty or innocent, individuals are granted the right to be tried before a jury of their peers. LYes, innocent people are sometimes tried for crimes they didn't commit, guilty people are acquitted of crimes they did commit (when State's can't prove their case to BARD), there are guilty people who see the evidence against them and plead guilty or reach plea agreements, and there will always be guilty people who see the evidence against them and invite the trial anyway.

AT had to show her hand early in order to try to suppress some of the overwhelming evidence against BK. She was wordy, artful, lofty, impassioned, global -- yes, BK was out driving but not over there, that's not his car because Cy will show that is phone was someplace we haven't decided on yet, DNA sequencing and matching was unlawful because the general public had a right to certain privacies, the PCA was flawed, misleading because it didn't include everything even though what it left out also inculpates BK....

6 months to trial.

She'll be formidable and insinuating on cross, but as an exercise in trial battle, where does she go from here? I don't think BK has the constitution to plead guilty, even if it drops the DP. I don't think he particularly cares about preserving his own life. I do think he's enjoying the game that this is to him.

So what's her next move?

This judge is detailed, thorough, sharp.

JMO

 

[QB2022]

I am glad that Judge Hippler has thoroughly explained the context to shoot down any conspiracy theories. I think too often defense rely upon planting seeds of doubt through crazy conspiracies and the context shoots down the seeds that AT was planting.

 

[mrjitty]

Just jumping on off your post. (I love your tone here!)

Setting aside the horror of the crime momentarily, this is a real front row glimpse into, well, how the sausage is made at the defense factory.

Guilty or innocent, individuals are granted the right to be tried before a jury of their peers. LYes, innocent people are sometimes tried for crimes they didn't commit, guilty people are acquitted of crimes they did commit (when State's can't prove their case to BARD), there are guilty people who see the evidence against them and plead guilty or reach plea agreements, and there will always be guilty people who see the evidence against them and invite the trial anyway.

AT had to show her hand early in order to try to suppress some of the overwhelming evidence against BK. She was wordy, artful, lofty, impassioned, global -- yes, BK was out driving but not over there, that's not his car because Cy will show that is phone was someplace we haven't decided on yet, DNA sequencing and matching was unlawful because the general public had a right to certain privacies, the PCA was flawed, misleading because it didn't include everything even though what it left out also inculpates BK....

6 months to trial.

She'll be formidable and insinuating on cross, but as an exercise in trial battle, where does she go from here? I don't think BK has the constitution to plead guilty, even if it drops the DP. I don't think he particularly cares about preserving his own life. I do think he's enjoying the game that this is to him.

So what's her next move?

This judge is detailed, thorough, sharp.

JMO

Yeah. I think it was a big red flag when the Judge was like "where's the page and line numbers" for the scary emails. Now we learn there never was any conspiracy in those emails. She just alleged something out of whole cloth.

 

[jepop]

I am glad that Judge Hippler has thoroughly explained the context to shoot down any conspiracy theories. I think too often defense rely upon planting seeds of doubt through crazy conspiracies and the context shoots down the seeds that AT was planting.

Good analogy. The context unearths the seeds and if it's gone further completely pulls up the shoots.

 

[jepop]

Yeah. I think it was a big red flag when the Judge was like "where's the page and line numbers" for the scary emails. Now we learn there never was any conspiracy in those emails. She just alleged something out of whole cloth.

Yes, I remember thinking back when that happened and AT had to submit an amended Franks memo, the arguments are probably such that they require and may benefit from a lot of irrelevant padding. Moo

I mean it's fairly uncontested that AT is a more than decent public defender imo, so there would have been a reason for the original obfuscating Franks memorandum being filed. I would speculate lawyers like AT don't make mistakes or rarely make them, and on the Frank's memo the chance of a genuine mistake of import is really low imo. The original was the result of a failed partial strategy to confuse the court with paper overload and ambiguous references. Kind of similar to the defendant's notice of 'alibi'. Jmo