4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

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  • #821
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There's a new one fraize gave us this morning (I didn't like the new Websleuths 2025 style) until fraize gave us Orange is the New Blue option. You might want to try that if you don't want to change from Black-Orange (what we've been using for a long time now) since we're all going to have to move off of Black-Orange at some point.
 
  • #822
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Thank you
 
  • #823
DM was responding to a question about the man she saw in her house:

Franks Order
D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. I just remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. I just knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

Why did he not kill her? I guess we will never know.
 
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It's also at the bottom of any page.

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  • #825
Why did he not kill her? I guess we will never know.
My leading theory is the dog started barking, and he was trying to get out of there as fast as possible. He apparently drove away at a high rate of speed, which supports this.

In any event, it appears he was rushed.
 
  • #826
My leading theory is the dog started barking, and he was trying to get out of there as fast as possible. He apparently drove away at a high rate of speed, which supports this.

In any event, it appears he was rushed.
It may have also been that Ethan being there spooked him. He may not have expected to have to deal with a guy, and a BIG guy (I believe Ethan had a few inches in height on him), and just wanted to GTFO once he'd killed both him and Xana. For all he knew, there could have been guys behind every other door. And Kaylee and Maddie were in the same room. He had to deal with two at once both times. Physically, that's extra exertion.

MOO
 
  • #827
Why did he not kill her? I guess we will never know.
I think he heard DM holler up to the third floor while he was on the third floor. Then as he descended the steps, he must have encountered XK, perhaps as she brought her DD to the kitchen. If she was listening to TikTok, she likely had earbuds in and didn't hear any disturbances, including DM's utterances... or IMO, she would have responded to DM herself.

When BK came upon XK, he likely assumed she was the speaker he heard, and after the slaughter in XK's room, he would have been hellbent on getting the hell out of there.

I don't think he realized he'd seen DM, until he was past her door. I think he may have even come back to her door, listened at it, shrugged it off as HIS mind playing tricks on him, and then left, just as DM was calling KG.

BK had maybe two minutes to strip off his clothes or cover them up, stash them in his car or trunk and squeal out of there.

Why speed away? I think it confirms that he realized he did see someone and knew that someone had seen him and would already be on the phone with 911.

911 at 4 in the morning, to a scene with four bloody murders, what do you suppose the response time would be? Minutes IMO. BK knew he had to get out of there and fast --

JMO
 
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It may have also been that Ethan being there spooked him. He may not have expected to have to deal with a guy, and a BIG guy (I believe Ethan had a few inches in height on him), and just wanted to GTFO once he'd killed both him and Xana. For all he knew, there could have been guys behind every other door. And Kaylee and Maddie were in the same room. He had to deal with two at once both times. Physically, that's extra exertion.

MOO
Excellent point, I really like that as well. First, he never would have expected two occupants in each room. Secondly, that final confrontation may have been far more difficult than he imagined, as he was dealing with a male who could more than match his size. I mean, who the hell knows what could be waiting for him behind doors number 3 and 4.

Yeah, I like that a lot.
 
  • #829
Why did he not kill her? I guess we will never know.
I'm sure we will never know, but I do not think his original plan was to kill 4 people. I think his original plan was to kill one, which quickly became both of the girls upstairs, as they were in the same room. KG may have put up a bit of a fight. Then when he went back downstairs, XK was there and awake, and he probably was not expecting EC to be there, so he had to exert energy to kill him, and then we know that XK put up a fight as well. I think it is very possible that by then, he was physically and emotionally spent, coming down from the rush, and just wanted to get out of the house, and away, as quickly as possible. Even if he looked directly at DM, I am not sure he actually saw her, because I think at that point, he was solely focused on getting out. JMO
 
  • #830
Excellent point, I really like that as well. First, he never would have expected two occupants in each room. Secondly, that final confrontation may have been far more difficult than he imagined, as he was dealing with a male who could more than match his size. I mean, who the hell knows what could be waiting for him behind doors number 3 and 4.

Yeah, I like that a lot.
Any kind of genuine resistance strikes me as the kind of thing that would have the potential to freak out the perpetrator of this crime.

He did everything possible to attack when his victims were unaware or defenceless. He didn't wake them up to terrorise them, like Joseph DeAngelo or Richard Ramirez. As far as we know, his goal was to stab them to death while they slept.

But both rooms he entered, he found not one but TWO persons, and both rooms, he seems to have met resistance. He would have had to adjust for that, physically and mentally. As far as we know, he's inexperienced at this kind of attack. He also has to have the resilience to cope with the reality deviating from his fantasy. That's a lot to juggle when there's also the very real possibility of someone seeing or hearing something that could lead them to call the police, despite his chosen time to attack.

Who knows if his original plan was to get in and get out in minutes, or if he had a fantasy of enjoying the tableau of the crime scene for a while after that got scuppered by things going differently to what he expected, but I think the second is a possibility.

MOO
 
  • #831
If not jut one victim, it's possible that he intended for multiple victims, but one per room, and he planned to start at the top and kill his way down, silently.

Perhaps he wanted to be some kind of super serial murderer, a worse combination of all the worst ones who preceded him.

He just never expected two in a room --

JMO
 
  • #832
I am of the opinion that he never “saw” DM. I think he was in his own head at that point.
 
  • #833
I am of the opinion that he never “saw” DM. I think he was in his own head at that point.
I tend to agree with you.
 
  • #834
All great posts. Probley why he went back in the morning.
 
  • #835
All great posts. Probley why he went back in the morning.
Well, he may have realized his best friend was a bit naked at some point & after all those trips may have figured he could retrieve that "jacket" his friend was missing. If not that, he may have wished to remotely observe the carnage, as many a killer will often do. Maybe the extra trip was dual purpose for all we know.

MOO
 
  • #836
Well, he may have realized his best friend was a bit naked at some point & after all those trips may have figured he could retrieve that "jacket" his friend was missing. If not that, he may have wished to remotely observe the carnage, as many a killer will often do. Maybe the extra trip was dual purpose for all we know.

MOO
I really think he was looking to see the police response, which surprisingly hadn't happened at that point. I can't imagine him even considering taking the risk of retrieving that sheath, as that would be even riskier than just leaving it.
 
  • #837
I really think he was looking to see the police response, which surprisingly hadn't happened at that point. I can't imagine him even considering taking the risk of retrieving that sheath, as that would be even riskier than just leaving it.
Probably will never be revealed why unless the killer speaks, similar to some of the RA crap we’ll never know. He was quite bold & that’s the only reason why I thought he might come back to get his long lost friend. That couldn’t have been lost to his thinking. He may have thought there were only females there….never know. Won’t matter in the end, I’m afraid.
 
  • #838
DM was responding to a question about the man she saw in her house:

Franks Order
D.M. was shown Defendant's mug shot and asked by Detective Lake whether Defendant was the person she saw in her house. D.M. responded: I have no clue. From what I remember, I just remember seeing this figure that was .... more of like the skinnier tone build, and some mask on ... I don't know if it was covering his mouth, his nose, or below his mouth and nose. I just remember he was white, but I didn't know how he was white. I just knew he was. And ... I knew he looked at me because of the bushy eyebrows.

Thank you for this. From the document "Her description of the intruder was notably similar during all three interviews: 1) white male; 2) slim/skinny/lean body type; 3) slightly taller than D.M. (5'10); 4) wearing all black; 5) wearing a mask that was covering his forehead and mouth; 6) a voice she didn't recognize saying he was "here to help," and; 7) the intruder walked out or towards the back sliding door without saying anything to her." (BBM)

I'm beginning to think there are people associated with this case, including attorneys, that say something from memory and have no idea what they are talking about. (AJ stating DM is "about" 5'8, but going from memory instead of looking it up).

"He was a short tall man with reddish black hair. One eye was blue, the other brown and the third eye was green. He was also muscularly skinny fat."/s
 
  • #839
I really think he was looking to see the police response, which surprisingly hadn't happened at that point. I can't imagine him even considering taking the risk of retrieving that sheath, as that would be even riskier than just leaving it.
Such a conciousness of guilt to go to the house the following morning before even the roommates knew what happened.
 
  • #840
Well, he may have realized his best friend was a bit naked at some point & after all those trips may have figured he could retrieve that "jacket" his friend was missing. If not that, he may have wished to remotely observe the carnage, as many a killer will often do. Maybe the extra trip was dual purpose for all we know.

MOO
I wonder how near he dared to drive that morning and what thoughts passed through his brains. He had to be disappointed with the absence of a law enforcement/media spectacle.

How it must have shocked his dense senses to see no response at all.

Sadly, I think he's rather enjoying the theatre of BK it's become.

JMO
 
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