4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

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  • #841
Makes perfectly logical sense, so I don't know why I'm still riding the fence on this. I usually form an opinion based on the evidence we know of early on in most cases. This once has me going back and forth like a yoyo. hah

JMO
Having stalked/surveilled the house repeatedly, BK probably felt comfortable determining that it was all girl renters, one per room. And only one girl on the whole top floor.

He approached for the first time at 3:30... but did not enter -- were lights on in the house? Or next door? Other college kids out and about still? Was he counting cars in the parking area, doing his own math?

Unless he says or his internet searches give greater insight, I don't know that we can determine his agenda that night. Had KG not been there or not been in MM's bed, had XK not been awake and hungry, would BK have murdered just MM and left? Quite possible, IMO.

Would he have continued? Killed KG next, in her own room, had she been there, then on down through the second floor to the basement, killing as he went? I can't rule it out. Fanboy of Bundy.

JMO
 
  • #842
The DJ guy had actually already met BK in Pullman (neighbor I believe) before the pool party and he was the one that had invited him IIRC. He also said BK totally dominated his time, and he had to tell him politely to bugger off, he was working.

BK, once again, not respecting boundaries and making people feel uncomfortable. I think the term used now is 'floodlighting' someone...beyond oversharing.

Wasn't it said that this was the first time BK made a drive by pass by the house on Kings Road?

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't watch the episode, just have read snippets here and there.

JMO
I think based on what I heard said in the Dateline, BK only met the DJ at the pool party. The neighbor's a different guy, I believe, and I found this also in Inside Edition/link (hope we can use this here):

So I think the way it went was, the neighbor brings BK to party. BK meets some friend of the neighbor. Then, BK heads off and pesters the DJ.

Trying to pick through the video now & make sure I didn't confuse it. Yup, that's correct, the neighbor brought BK. Neighbor had a friend there, introduced them. Then, I think at some point BK wandered over to pester the DJ and ask about the DJing. DJ blew him off. And the DJ then saw him again later, and from what I can see, had no idea who BK was when he saw him again.
 
  • #843
I think based on what I heard said in the Dateline, BK only met the DJ at the pool party. The neighbor's a different guy, I believe, and I found this also in Inside Edition/link (hope we can use this here):

So I think the way it went was, the neighbor brings BK to party. BK meets some friend of the neighbor. Then, BK heads off and pesters the DJ.

Trying to pick through the video now & make sure I didn't confuse it. Yup, that's correct, the neighbor brought BK. Neighbor had a friend there, introduced them. Then, I think at some point BK wandered over to pester the DJ and ask about the DJing. DJ blew him off. And the DJ then saw him again later, and from what I can see, had no idea who BK was when he saw him again.
Thanks for that Snoop. What a completely strange dude (and killer IMO) BK is.

jmo
 
  • #844
If it's true about EC's injuries, think about that. BK, intending to murder one or more victims, had just been caught by surprise, a second girl in the bed. He has murdered MM and then bludgeoned KG, when next he encounters XK and EC, possibly attacking XK twice, but takes some kind of sick pause to inflict purposeful injuries to the male victim? Calculated. Different IMO than the frenzied attack on KG upstairs. Remarkable level of calm. Important to him to take the time to do that... what was his thought process?????? Did it because he could? Was he coming back toward his center, recalibrating? That's not then just killing potential witnesses in order to escape IMO. To take the time... why? Was he trying to render EC incapacitated in order to SA XK, scene right out of Crminal Minds, force the male victim to watch, helplessly?

Perhaps BK was making adjustments as he went. Organized, disorganized, controlled, reckless, precise, slobby, self-preserving, self-incriminating, planned, unplanned, intentional, accidental, simple, complex, methodical, sadistic...

An entire glossary of words AT would like to gloss over.

JMO
 
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If it's true about EC's injuries, think about that. BK, intending to murder one or more victims, had just been caught by surprise, a second girl in the bed. He has murdered MM and then bludgeoned KG, when next he encounters XK and EC, possibly attacking XK twice, but takes some kind of sick pause to inflict purposeful injuries to the male victim? Calculated. Different IMO than the frenzied attack on KG upstairs. Remarkable level of calm. Important to him to take the time to do that... what was his thought process?????? Did it because he could? Was he coming back toward his center, recalibration? That's now then just killing potential witnesses in order to escape. IMO. To take the time... why? Was he trying to render EC incapacitated in order to SA XK, scene right out of Crminal Minds, force that male victim to watch, helplessly?

Perhaps BK was making adjustments as he went. Organized, disorganized, controlled, reckless, precise, slobby, self-preserving, self-incriminating, planned, unplanned, intentional, accidental, simple, complex, methodical, sadistic...

An entire glossary of words AT would like to gloss over.

JMO
Thanks Megnut! Thinking the same yet, abandoned what I was writing after seeing this!
"it's okay, I'm going to help you". ie joy killing , prey gave chase. Torture. Did he sit to watch. He meant each and every murder. Moo
 
  • #846
If it's true about EC's injuries, think about that. BK, intending to murder one or more victims, had just been caught by surprise, a second girl in the bed. He has murdered MM and then bludgeoned KG, when next he encounters XK and EC, possibly attacking XK twice, but takes some kind of sick pause to inflict purposeful injuries to the male victim? Calculated. Different IMO than the frenzied attack on KG upstairs. Remarkable level of calm. Important to him to take the time to do that... what was his thought process?????? Did it because he could? Was he coming back toward his center, recalibrating? That's not then just killing potential witnesses in order to escape IMO. To take the time... why? Was he trying to render EC incapacitated in order to SA XK, scene right out of Crminal Minds, force the male victim to watch, helplessly?

Perhaps BK was making adjustments as he went. Organized, disorganized, controlled, reckless, precise, slobby, self-preserving, self-incriminating, planned, unplanned, intentional, accidental, simple, complex, methodical, sadistic...

An entire glossary of words AT would like to gloss over.

JMO

I am considering this freshly. Was he attempting four separate murders? Is this a first time murder trying different strategies, possibly for exploration or to confuse? MM essentially killed in her sleep. KG reacting and becoming quite physical with her. Possibly chasing XK instilling fear, panic, etc., escalating quickly with someone who is awake fighting back and injured before making comments. EC possibly after the fact excessive (and I am so sorry for the word) mutilation.

If this is the sequence of how investigators believe they were attacked, it shows escalation. What does this make BK? Is he trying to make it look disorganized, like four different events, perpetrators, etc. Really not sure what to make of it. Did he intentionally leave a witness haunted, knowing he needed to leave but also a different approach to DM. JMOO
 
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It’s still an additional car though, as well as EC’s - A red flag for someone looking to intrude on the home. Moo.
I was replying to someone who speculated that Kaylee was his target, and he chose that night because she had returned to the home after moving out, that he saw her car and sprang into action.

He wouldn't have known she was there just from the car, because the car was new. The most he could have known is that someone was there with an unfamiliar vehicle.

MOO
 
  • #849
Wasn't it said that this was the first time BK made a drive by pass by the house on Kings Road?
It was Bryan's first time going to Moscow Idaho, I don't believe Dateline said that it was Bryan's first time driving about the 1122 King Rd house. You can get to those apartments without driving by 1122 King Rd house. IMO.
 
  • #850
I am considering this freshly. Was he attempting four separate murders? Is this a first time murder trying different strategies, possibly for exploration or to confuse? MM essentially killed in her sleep. KG reacting and becoming quite physical with her. Possibly chasing XK instilling fear, panic, etc., escalating quickly with someone who is awake fighting back and injured before making comments. EC possibly after the fact excessive (and I am so sorry for the word) mutilation.

If this is the sequence of how investigators believe they were attacked, it shows escalation. What does this make BK? Is he trying to make it look disorganized, like four different events, perpetrators, etc. Really not sure what to make of it. Did he intentionally leave a witness haunted, knowing he needed to leave but also a different approach to DM. JMOO
I never thought of it that way. Chilling.

The escalation seemed to unfold organically, though, instead of according to a detailed plan.

I imagine him fantasizing about all the heinous things he might do to victims and was later pleased by all he accomplished on his very first foray. Thumbs up.
 
  • #851
It was Bryan's first time going to Moscow Idaho, I don't believe Dateline said that it was Bryan's first time driving about the 1122 King Rd house. You can get to those apartments without driving by 1122 King Rd house. IMO.
I took notes the second time I watched the Dateline episode. Here’s what I recorded about July 9, 2022:

Afternoon: Kohberger attends Grove pool party in Moscow.

That same evening: Cell phone tower data collected by FBI says BK visited area near murder house after dark for the first time.
 
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  • #852

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

5/16/2025

5/15/2025


06/18/2025 Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

07/21/2025 Canceled Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven) Vacated

07/30/2025 Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

08/11/2025 Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
 
  • #853
I ran across this article giving a bit of detail (no names) of his family and their line of work, it seems most work(ed) within the school district at one time or another (BK was a security guard). It also references the low budget film one sister appeared in that I have referenced here many times in the past considering the subject matter:

<snipped & BBM>

LaBar says Kohberger came from a close-knit family. He grew up in eastern Pennsylvania in the Pocono Mountains. His father was as a maintenance worker and his mom worked in the school system. Bryan has two older sisters – one who works as a family therapist, and another sister who appeared in a 2011 low budget slasher film, "Two Days Back," about a group of young students viciously murdered by a serial killer. She now works as a school counselor.

BK's family are victims too IMO. They seem like good, healthy people who tried to do their best in supporting BK.

MOO

EBM: Spelling, sorry.

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students
 
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I took notes the second time I watched the Dateline episode. Here’s what I recorded about July 9, 2022:

Afternoon: Kohberger attends Grove pool party in Moscow.

That same evening: Cell phone tower data collected by FBI says BK visited area near murder house after dark for the first time.
Thanks, you saved me from hunting that down.
 
  • #855
The thing is, though, this crime is not a cautionary tale. It's a bolt from the blue. There is nothing that the victims being 'more aware' could have done to change the outcome. In fact, we have heard that one was a websleuther herself.

How would being more aware of a crime like this help a young person? Wouldn't it just cause fear of something unlikely to happen, that is completely out of their control to prevent?

MOO
After the murders, students in Moscow were scared. They flew back home. Those who stayed, locked their doors and traveled in groups. I bet they researched how to prevent someone from entering a slider, or moved to a home without one. At least the women did.

The roommates didn’t do anything wrong. The murderer is the only one who did. But predators exist. They are real, and awareness of them can help you stay alive.

I’m a night owl. I resent not being able to do anything at night by myself just because I’m a woman. Being raped, being abducted, being murdered are unlikely to happen, but my exposure to true crime hammers home what it would be like if they did happen.

True crime immersion doesn’t guarantee you’ll heed the warnings, though. You can treat cases simply as a puzzles to solve, lurid spectacles that only happen to feckless, drunk women—not smart, tough women like you.

Perhaps it’s impossible to learn from true crime until you are older and have collect enough life experiences to drive the possibilities home.

I wasn’t as careful when I was younger, before I faced the facts of what can happen to women. I was accosted at night, while running alone. Not raped, luckily. Still, I never ran alone at night after that. I knew what could have happened and what might if I pushed my luck.

It’s unfair. Men get to do whatever they want at night. And that is the very reason that I can’t.

In spite of my experience, my roommate’s girlfriend continued to walk home alone even later at night, through the neighborhood where I was accosted, along a dark, lonely waterway, miles away. She ignored my experience. She was even younger than I, knew martial arts. No one would dare accost her. She was tough.

Every time she left the house, I worried. I needn’t have worried though. She never was accosted—she really was tough. Or just lucky.

The young feel impervious, invulnerable, tough. And predators like that.
 
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I took notes the second time I watched the Dateline episode. Here’s what I recorded about July 9, 2022:

Afternoon: Kohberger attends Grove pool party in Moscow.

That same evening: Cell phone tower data collected by FBI says BK visited area near murder house after dark for the first time.
this is from the first dateline show, correct?
 
  • #857
And after the murders, students in Moscow were scared. They flew back home. Those who stayed, locked their doors and traveled in groups. I bet they reasearched how to prevent someone from entering a slider, or moved to a home without one. At least the women did.

The roommates didn’t do anything wrong. The murderer is the only one who did. But predators exist. They are real, and awareness of them can help you stay alive.

I’m a night owl. I resent not being able to do anything at night by myself just because I’m a woman. Being raped, being abducted, being murdered are unlikely to happen, but my exposure to true crime hammers home what it would be like if they did happen.

True crime immersion doesn’t guarantee you’ll heed the warnings, though. You can treat cases simply as a puzzles to solve, lurid spectacles that only happen to feckless, drunk women—not smart, tough women like you.

Perhaps it’s impossible to learn from true crime until you are older and have collect enough life experiences to drive the possibilities home.

I wasn’t as careful when I was younger, before I faced the facts of what can happen to women. I was accosted at night, while running alone. Not raped, luckily. Still, I never went running alone at night after that. I knew what could have happened and what might if I pushed my luck.

It’s unfair. Men get to do whatever they want at night. And that is the very reason that I can’t.

In spite of my experience, my roommate’s girlfriend continued to walk home alone even later at night, through the neighborhood where I was accosted, along a dark, lonely waterway, miles away. She ignored my experience. She was even younger than I, knew martial arts. No one would dare acccost her. She was tough.

Every time she left the house, I worried. I needn’t have worried though. She never was accosted—she really was tougher than I. Or just luckier.

The young feel impervious, invulnerable, tough. And predators like that.
Sorry for your bad experience, I agree it is not fair and it infuriates me that anyone has to worry about being assaulted, or worse, because of your gender.

JMO
 
  • #858

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

5/16/2025

5/15/2025


06/18/2025 Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

07/21/2025 Canceled Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven) Vacated

07/30/2025 Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

08/11/2025 Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
What on earth could this be: Notice of Hearing - Discussion Regarding Role of Victims SEALED?

The document reveals nothing.
 
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  • #860
I don’t think the prosecution will deal with “the target” since they can’t prove it and don’t need to prove it in order to get a conviction. He killed four people. It is interesting to speculate about this but we will never know for sure .. unless BK makes a spontaneous confession.
It's easier for the jury to understand evidence when the opening statement describes a big-picture theory of the crime; to include the sequence of events starting with an introduction to the suspect: who he is, why he was in the area, followed by a description of the crime.

For example, between [dates] the suspect was tracked via cell data at the scene on [number] occasions. Per CCTV, on the night of [date] suspect was observed circling the house [number] times. Between [hours:minutes] suspect remained at house. It is believed he entered the house with a knife at [time], and went directly to the second floor bedroom of victim 1; whom he believed to be alone in her bedroom (via stalking activity). Victim 1 had an unexpected guest, victim 2. A kidnapping or assault interrupted. Both victims were immediately murdered with the knife. Victim 3 was awake, heard the commotion, investigated. She ran or was chased to her bedroom, and was murdered in the doorway. Victim 4 was in that bedroom and was murdered in bed. Victims 2-4 were witnesses to the murder of victim 1-3, and were therefore murdered.

It makes more sense than entering the home, randomly murdering two occupants, two guests, leaving one witness alive, and ignoring a sixth occupant. The living witness has to be explained - suspect may have faced decision between time to search for knife sheath and murder one more person, and probability that the witness had called 911 ten minutes earlier. He didn't want to risk being trapped in one of the bedrooms when police arrived, so he fled the scene.

I guess we'll see how it plays out in a couple of months.
 
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