4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[PunishThenForgive]

That pool party interactions story just gives me weirder vibes and more creepiness from BK's standpoint. man, that is weird.

I am actually surprised the girls gave him their phone numbers. Why would you do that to someone you just met for 1 minutes??? I would have expected he would be given a fake number or whatever girls do when they don't want to give a man their number that asked.

BK probably went to the other side of the pool and called each of them, saw if they looked at or answered their phone (TO MAKE SURE THEY GAVE HIM A CORRECT PHONE NUMBER), then hang up. That is very creepy.

I totally agree!

Although I vent my anger about the male predators we discuss here on Websleuths, I know that (obviously) most men are not predators. The men here are the good guys that enable women like me to at least go out at night safely, if not alone.

 

[otto]

yeah, that all makes sense. I just wondered logistically how he would do that without getting her DNA in places where it could be found later? JMO.

I hope all of my questions didn’t come across as argumentative. The discussion and speculations are interesting to me.

I too am curious about exploring different possibilities.

Some intelligent murderers assume they will not be caught. Vincent Tabak, another PhD student murderer, put plastic in his car before the abduction.

"CCTV footage was shown to the court of Tabak shopping in Asda while Yeates' body lay wrapped in a plastic cover in the boot of his car."

Tabak Admits To Being 'Calculating, Dishonest And Manipulative'

Tabak Admits To Being 'Calculating, Dishonest And Manipulative'

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Most likely locked doesn't mean locked. Maddie's door was not locked, and neither was Xana's.

Right, but Maddie and Kaylee weren’t alone, and they were on the third floor.

Dylan said she locked her door after BK left, so she at least knew she had a lock and was willing to use it.

Of course, it didn’t matter in the end, right before BK left. Dylan’s door certainly wasn’t locked at that point.

If police really do think Maddie was the sole target (as posited by Dateline), then they likely have evidence proving this—evidence we haven’t seen yet. I was just speculating about others scenarios as I learn more about Bryan Kohberger.

IMOO

 

[otto]

Right, but they weren’t alone, and they were on the third floor.

Dylan said she locked her door after BK left, so she at least knew she had one.

Of course, it didn’t matter in the end, right before BK left. Dylan’s door certainly wasn’t locked at that point.

If police really do think Maddie was the sole target (as posited by Dateline), then they likely have evidence proving this—evidence we haven’t seen yet. I was just speculating about others scenarios as I leaned more about our boy Bry.

Yes, we know that she locked her door after she was aware of the intruder, but she did not mention that she routinely locked her door. That seems like a detail she would mention, because it would occur to her that having locked her door may have saved her.

That surviving witness has not said that her door was locked prior to the home invasion, so it's safe to assume that it was not locked. Therefore, Kohberger did not try to enter her room first. He also did not try to enter Xana's room first, which was on the same floor as the surviving witness.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I haven't read anything in affidavits stating that the surviving witness had locked her door prior to Kohberger entering the house. Where does that come from ... that her door was locked when she went to bed?

She went to bed and was woken up shortly after 4 a.m. by sounds in the room above her.

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122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne Seeking Arrest of Bryan C. Kohberger

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Understood. But they didn't need to say that in the affidavit. They were not trying to prove she was locked in her room, just that there was probable cause to to arrest BK.

Again, not saying it was or wasn't locked, just that we do not KNOW if it was locked or if he stopped by that door on the way in at all (he apparently did on the way out at some point, what with the shoe print).

You might be exactly right. But with everything I have read and know (and I could be missing a lot), I don't see anything that excludes the motivation being someone other than Maddie. Everyone still gets to have any theory they like, but I, personally, cannot say it "has" to be Maddie because I can see many ways it might not be.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

There goes your innocent Amazon search history.

Amazon's internal software must be WRECKED by sleuthers clicking on all sorts of stuff we're not buying. Interest in Kbars, off the charts.

Wait a while before you start searching for coveralls and balaclavas.

JMO

All of us here on Websleuths better keep our noses clean. Just sayin’.

 

[pseudo_hum]

IMO, had there been blood inside the sheath, as in "re-sheathing" after use, then I would question if MM was the initial target. But since it apparently did not, I think conclusions could be reached.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Friggin' Master's.

Well, IIRC, BK submitted the celebrated essay in May 2020, so I think he was a senior undergraduate. It still enabled him to pursue and later receive his master’s.

It’s pretty satisfying, isn’t it, that people here criticize his writing skills like he criticized the English language skills of his female WSU professor. Too bad he can’t read our commentary.

I wonder if Bryan will continue to write in prison. Has he already started his next paper, eager to submit it to a respected academic journal? Maybe a book? Surely he’ll write in first person, as he is wont to do. About the Idaho murders, no doubt.

IMO

 

[Megnut]

Well, IIRC, BK submitted the celebrated essay in May 2020, so I think he was a senior undergraduate. It still enabled him to pursue and later receive his master’s.

It’s pretty satisfying, isn’t it, that people here criticize his writing skills like he criticized the English language skills of his female WSU professor. Too bad he can’t read our commentary.

I wonder if Bryan will continue to write in prison. Has he already started his next paper, eager to submit it to a respected academic journal? Maybe a book? Surely he’ll write in first person, as he is wont to do. About the Idaho murders, no doubt.

IMO

How I Slaughtered Four Victims in Under Four Minutes and Still Failed: the Pompous Justification of a Thwarted Serial Killer

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I have nothing to back this up, totally anecdotal. I could be totally off base.

My children were finishing high school and starting college during the height of COVID. Many course requirements were relaxed, and lots of As were given for effort. Neither of my kids even had to take the SAT.

It makes me wonder if BK, the smartest guy in the room, was able to get where he was pre-murder due to the general relaxation of academic standards at the time. Would that paper be an A now, or 10 years ago?

Moo

Yes, Covid! How could I forget? Suddenly transitioning to online teaching was a pain for both students and teachers.

So most of BK’s final semester as an undergrad (I’m assuming between March and May 2020) and all of grad school at DeSales (August 2020 to May 2022?) were likely spent online.

At my college, we were directed to be as “forgiving” as possible when determining final course grades in May 2020, but after that, standards went back to normal.

 

[Justice101]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

Great question!

Unfortunately, I give it a very low chance.

IMO, only a fool would NOT plead guilty at this point, and BK strikes me as a fool.

I hope you are better at prognosticating, @Justice101!

I sorely wish BK would plead guilty right now for the sake of the surviving victims and the victims’ families. The trial will be brutal, and they wouldn’t have to go through years of appeals if BK pleads guilty now.

 

[minazoe]

no no he's not going to plead guilty, there's no chance he's getting out of this..none. now if he can help solve some other cold cases maybe he has a snowball's chance. but no, he's getting the DP along with his buddy Chad Daybell. mOO

 

[otto]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

I doubt it. He strikes me as someone who believes he can outsmart the system, so he wants to drag it out as long as possible - a mental sparring game with prosecutors.

 

[fcavanaugh]

I, like many others following this case, have gone back and forth on whether I think only one of the four students was targeted or the house and all its residents/roommates.
Of course, we’ll never really know unless the killer (imo BK) talks.

After watching the Dateline episode last week, I’m currently leaning one side of the fence toward the theory BK targeted the house residents’ all of whom were and are beautiful young college women, and I think possibly challenged himself to see if he could kill more coeds than his imo idol T Bundy did during his Chi Omega Sorority atrocity, and out-do or one-up TB so to speak.

This is just my own speculation and realize I could be totally wrong and that some may think it sounds far fetched and I’m very much ok with that, we’re all just speculating.

Based on BK’s digital searches on TB specifically, stock of TB playlists on his device, and sleeping, drugged, passed out searches, confirmed to me that BK likely aspired to be like/something akin to a modern day version of TB. I believe he likely had similar fantasies as TB and wanted the same kind of power and control over his victims’.

The fact he lacks the looks, charm and charisma of TB, notwithstanding.
That he didn’t have the looks charm, charisma of TB is irrelevant. He wanted to emulate him and kill as many people at once who symbolized what he could never have and after months of casing/surveillance, picked the house at 1122 King Road filled with beautiful young college students with convenient location and easy access as the perfect place to emulate TB’s Chi Omega massacre.

He planned on not getting caught, would eventually go on to kill others and potentially teach, write books about the KBK (KaBarKiller) offering his thoughts/insight as to how the KBK outsmarted Law Enforcement and remains elusive due to his superior intellect and lecturing on how the perp is likely a current or former LE officer/agent well versed in all things criminal/criminal justice/criminology.

To further expand on theory and BK emulating TB, BK set out that fateful early morning on 11/13/22 about 15 minutes (2:47am) before TB committed the Chi Omega killings which was at around/between roughly 3am-3:15am which I think BK likely planned to enter 1122 King around that same time but when he arrived to the area, had to drive around circling/looping all those many times waiting until he saw bedroom lights out and/or thought everyone would be asleep by just after 4am. I think he expected all housemates to be sleeping and likely would’ve killed everyone in that house had he not been surprised by XK being awake and fearing 911 might have been called which is why I believe he left in a hurry without killing everyone and forgot the sheath in his panicked frenzy to get the he!! outta Dodge before the cops got there, disrobed coveralls and put them and other kill items in bag, threw bag in trunk of car and sped away from scene. IMO DM and BF were spared thanks to poor Xana and imo both young ladies’ are lucky to be alive.

Something else I think tracks with this theory, I think the creepy thumbs up smiling selfie later that morning could have been BK admiring/praising himself for killing
4 coeds, 2 more than Bundy did at Chi Omega, in less time, and thinking he got away with it.

At any rate, thank heavens it’s 50 years later than TB’s reign of terror with advances in DNA and digital footprints/technology making it harder for these killer creeps to get away with their evil deeds and potentially saving more innocent lives as I firmly believe had he not been caught, BK would have gone on to kill again, and again, and…
*shivers*

#JusticeforKaylee,Maddie,Xana,and Ethan

IMHOO

 

[SteveP]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

The chances of him pleading guilty BEFORE the trial are about the same as the chances of him being found not guilty AT the trial, slim and none, and slim has the car packed and the motor running.

BK wants to see this play out in all its gory detail. He likely knows he is toast, but he wants to be able to see all of the evidence, especially the pics, and experience the rush of it all one more time before he rots in prison, while he waits to go before the firing squad. JMO

 

[katydid23]

That's true it will have to be more than him just saying that someone else was involved.

On the other hand, I direct you to the past case of Caylee Anthony. Everyone thought that was a slam dunk case too. Where she was on trial for murdering her little daughter by taping her mouth and suffocating her and then dumping the body in woods near their house. But the defense brought up a whole scenario that Caylee's father sexually abused caylee and that caylee's little daughter accidentally drowned in the pool and caylee was afraid of her father and that's why she never told anybody. And there was no evidence to support that, it was completely made up. And it worked. Caylee got off the charges. So if it worked in that case, who's to say it won't work in this case? He already has a bunch of pro burgers out there.

Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney, was able to cram that BS into his Opening Statement because the 'alternate suspect' in that case was her father, who lived with the defendant, and had daily access to the missing child.

In this case, there is no alternate suspect that has that same nexus with the defendant and victims. So it will not be as easy to set forth a made up scenario to put in front of the jury.

AT will not be able to talk about random, unknown connections with potential suspects unless the Judge agrees to it.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The chances of him pleading guilty BEFORE the trial are about the same as the chances of him being found not guilty AT the trial, slim and none, and slim has the car packed and the motor running.

BK wants to see this play out in all its gory detail. He likely knows he is toast, but he wants to be able to see all of the evidence, especially the pics, and experience the rush of it all one more time before he rots in prison, while he waits to go before the firing squad. JMO

Exactly, he wants to inflict as much pain on as many people as possible.

And relive —for 90 days!—the single most thrilling experience of his life, only with bright lights this time, and in technicolor detail.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

@PunishThenForgive

Can you explain "incel-type mass murderers"?

Also, how he presented to you as one? What in the Dateline episode made you change your mind?

I'm reading the I 5 Killer and between that, P Diddy and this case my mind is working overtime. Randall Woodfield was a deviant and couldn't seem to have a normal sexual relationship. And the mother! Lots of serial killers have issues with women due to their mother's WTH.

I'm thinking BK has mommy issues too. Maybe some physical issues as well.

Moo

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Maybe a replacement knife BK purchased?. Would the prosecution really be allowed to enter a kbar for that purpose if it did not actually belong to the defendant,? Not prejudicial?

I think they'd be allowed to show a Kabar if they do show evidence that he actually bought one on Amazon. He allegedly left the sheath behind so there is evidence he brought one with him.

It's not prejudicial , it's instructive. Maybe?

 

[Megnut]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

Only a fool wouldn’t plead guilty at this point IMO.

So give it a a low chance, unfortunately. I hope you are better at prognosticating, @Justice101!

I wish he would lead guilty right now for the sake for the surviving victims and the victims’ families. The trial will be brutal, and they wouldn’t have to go through years of appeals if BK pleads guilty now.

Zero chance.

Only a fool wouldn't -- and he is a fool.

I think BK is the reason the DP is still on the table. I think he refuses even to discuss guilt, refuses to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence against him.

The families have different approaches to the DP so IMO that's a wash for the State. A year ago or two, a guilty plea might have resulted in 4LWOPs, no trial, no DP, no appeal. Would have saved the State about 5 octillion dollars, would have spared victims and families the theatre of trial, and would have shut down some of the media storm.

But that's not for BK. He's exercising his right but for all the wrong reasons. I think of BK as a classic passive-aggressive figure. Seems relatively harmless but harbors some serious violence. He is getting back at women, at LE, at the Marines, at his instructors, at the students, at the djs and hikers and bikinis, at his family, each of his parents. Sick, dramatic retaliation. He probably looks down on everyone who he thinks is weak, and he thinks everyone is weak.

He's got women defending him. He's not going to pass that up for anything. I see duper's delight when I see his smig mug, especially in that selfie.

If ever there were a portrait of the gaslighter, that is it. Talks to his dad, mom, whoever was on the other end of the line. Whatever he was telling them was anything but the truth, the truth being a brutal quadruple murder mere hours before, and he's engaging people who have likely been trying hard for years to believe him, snowing them over with events that didn't happen while keeping the secret ones to himself. BK's sorry double life.

That should be a crime in its own right. Fraud. Misrepresentation. It messes with people's heads.

Four victims lost their lives but the rings of damage are beyond count.

And he is prolonging it and IMO is pleased to do it.

JMO