4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[girlhasnoname]

He is sporting jailhouse pallor IMO combined with a notable loss of weight. Shoulders down, only bolstered artificially by the sport coat.

I'm wondering if his hands are shackled. Have they ever risen above the table?

He looks like he's sitting in on a chemistry lecture wherein chemistry doesn't interest him.

JMO

Agree. He's not able to go for his 3-5 mile runs daily nightly anymore, I'm sure the jailhouse vegan cuisine isn't up to par as they probably don't have a BK dedicated pan with nobody else's cooties on it. The COV caused him to be moved to a larger facility and he's not getting the attention he had while being held in Moscow.

I think he looks disinterested and is probably imagining ways he can shut AT up himself, none of them good.

In reality, I think it's all choreographed to make BK look weak and vulnerable, but I can promise you, I would NOT be sitting beside him at the Defense table if his hands were not shackled. He's one disturbed and scary dude IMO.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Who is the woman who can’t stop smiling sitting next to BK? Who smiles that much at a hearing concerning a quadruple murder?

His potential next victim if she isn't careful. I believe that is E. Massoth part of the Defense Team brought on after the State requested and received additional help. I find her very smart and she has written some good Motions lately, far better than Logsdon IMO.

She does appear to sit closely and smiles at BK a lot. Maybe by design to show that he's just a lovable, misunderstood guy, not a diabolical mass murderer. It's ironic to me that both AT and EM are both attractive blonde women (BK's type IMO), and I'm sure BK enjoys having their forced undivided attention. Barf.

I'd love to know what they truly think of BK and what their interactions are like with him. Is he engaged and suggesting ideas and opinions in his Defense, or is he just sitting back and enjoying the show?

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I love this guy!!! Is that Jeff Nye?

He is awesome, ITA.

 

[mmeynstyn]

So did someone catch where AT said that BK was in Moscow at the time but not in the region of the house?

My friend who watched also heard that there was unknown male blood b on the handrail and unknown male blood d on a glove outside of the house.

I'm assuming that means there was male blood A and C found that were able to be identified.

Yes, I heard AT say BK was in Moscow and my first thought was: "she just admitted it." I also heard "blood" found on handrail.

AT has been doing her very best for BK; however, I have to admit, IMO she was all over the map yesterday. She seemed unorganized and a bit flustered. It really surprised me.

 

[schooling]

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

Does a person who commits quadruple murder have any sense?

He’s lucky he got away with as much as he did.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I'm wondering how long before BK elbows AT aside, and says "Step aside lady, I'll take it from here".

I bet it's killing him to have to sit there and shut up!

Imagine a test for tomatoe ketchup, or gravy, or coffee, or tea, or any number of the *shudder* fluids you have in mind in a college residence. Has anyone ever scanned their own home with an ultraviolet light?

"Although long-wavelength ultraviolet is not considered an ionizing radiation because its photons lack sufficient energy, it can induce chemical reactions and cause many substances to glow or fluoresce. Many practical applications, including chemical and biological effects, are derived from the way that UV radiation can interact with organic molecules."

The results may surprise you.

As the proud owner of a husband and 4 boys, absolutely not lol!

 

[mmeynstyn]

What did we learn today?

Surviving roommates were texting, corroborating the timeline. DM didn't trust her perception, understandably. She noted additional sounds and movements we hadn't previously heard about (on the staircase, crying coming from a bathroom). Extended barking. Murphy was not in a room with a closed door.

BK's phone was turned off.

BK did leave his campus around 2:42/2:44. In his white 2015 Hyundai Elantra. And apparently was captured on camera with his car nosed away from the direct route to Moscow. Proving what, I don't know.

It's his DNA on the sheath. But we knew that.

(BK was a student of criminal psychology. At the PhD level. No way he thought he could leave DNA at a quadruple murder scene AND enjoy privacy of the same. No, he intended to enjoy his privacy precisely because he intended to LEAVE NO DNA behind.)

My analysis of today: AT isn't afraid that BK can't get a fair trial; she's afraid he'll GET a fair trial. Which will result in his certain conviction.

JMO

Thank you for this summary.

A couple other things:
AT also mentioned BK was in Moscow (not near the house though)

There is more video of a white Elantra than we are aware of (Discussion around 1125 Ridge Rd video). We've discussed this possibility and now have confirmation.
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WRT the WSU camera capturing him nosed away from Moscow. AT mentioned he was not captured on camera on Bishop Blvd. However, we've already discussed he could have bypassed that intersection by going through campus parking lots accessed from SE Nevada St. See below screen shot of google maps:

 

[mmeynstyn]

I think AT is rightfully pissed that the FBI apparently violated terms of service of at least one site where users can upload DNA, and apparently also violated their own guidelines. She's right to be angry about that. I think she struggled more than usual today though because this judge can really cut to the heart of the matter. The question is, was it unconstitutional, and he made the point that it's not. He didn't say that IGG in general is not unconstitutional, just that what the FBI did is not. She also argued right to privacy and I didn't think she did all that well with that. She just kept coming back to public perception of expectation of privacy and I think it's way more complicated than that due to the nature of familial DNA. The judge also made the point that BK lacks standing since he didn't upload his own DNA--again, the facts of familial DNA I think can complicate that but she didn't argue it.

With the Franks, he again cut to the heart of the matter--she needs to convince him that if all this other information she was bringing up had been included in the PCA the magistrate would have made a different decision. With a familial match of the father's DNA from the trash to the DNA on the sheath, there is virtually no chance the magistrate is not going sign off. Would conflicting statements of a traumatized witness change the decision if included? Would a car pointed in the opposite direction as Moscow an hour before the crime change the decision if included? I don't think so, just my opinion.

I honestly thought the Deputy DA was awful today and I hope she's better prepared for trial.

There's a lot to pick apart from today's hearing and I'm sure we'll dissect every sentence for pages on end since we've had so little info so far lol.
JMO

Wrt the Deputy DA, I also was not impressed. So, I was asking myself if she was holding back giving away too much, or something. I kept thinking she could have responded more directly/clearly. I did like that she clearly described the "group effort" and emphasized that the PCA was "what we knew at that time."

Does anyone know....is the continuation today going to be live streamed again?

 

[arielilane]

Apparently, AT’s claims usual defense tactics, and doing what most defense attorneys do, claiming flaws, and taking whoever is willing to go down a rabbit hole:

-- Unconstitutional genetic investigation process
-- Police misconduct
-- ID done in secret/behind closed doors
-- LE violation of his constitutional rights (used a process called IGG) in identifying possible suspects
-- Once BK was identified as possibly a suspect, LE either intentionally and/or lied and omitted crucial info when LE requested (from the court) search warrants for his apartment, cellular phone, his vehicle and his own DNA, and his parents’ home.

Furthermore, moo:
Disappointed that some of the surviving roommate’s interview was disclosed in yesterday’s hearing… (some of this previously rumored) and now know is factual.
Jurors dont appreciate blaming victims, imo

Not sure why an attorney feels the need to sit there during the duration of a hearing (gruesome murder of four innocent college students) with a smirk on her face.

 

[Swansee]

@mmeynstyn
Yes! All of it this time apparently. Looking forward to it.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

@mmeynstyn
Yes! All of it this time apparently. Looking forward to it.

Unlike Judge Hippler

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

Respectfully, and with all due respect, IMO it is not practical to try and understand the actions or intentions of an individual such as this. One accused of such a heinous crime. BK. And it isn’t possible or realistic to expect all to go ‘as planned’ when unexpected circumstances or conditions arise. IMO of course it makes no sense. And it shouldn’t. And it does not have to IMO. As many often say…… thank goodness criminals make mistakes. The more the better.

As to the question of ‘how does that jive with the theory of his intention’? Unfortunately that is really a question for BK. If he elects to answer it. And I don’t try to understand his intentions. That will be up to a jury of 12 IIRC, or a judge if ultimately chosen. I do wonder though, exactly what he has told his attorney. Or the questions that she has asked him. And I also wonder those that she has not asked him. MOO

 

[arielilane]

The hearing will continue Friday, where the Goncalves family is hoping they will be allowed into the courtroom.

New details revealed of surviving roommate's interview with police after Idaho college murders

Kohberger's lawyer said the roommate told police she had been drinking and that she also heard one of the victims come up and down the stairs during the time of the attack.

6abc.com

1/24/2025

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson


The parties return to court this morning at 9am MT/11am ET in the #BryanKohberger #Idaho4 murder trial.



9:58 AM · Jan 24, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882805218095898837

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I was glad to hear that confirmed. Imo, logs found during forensic analysis of his phone would have revealed that the phone was turned off.

And why would he turn his phone off? I've heard people say that maybe he had a low battery. Who doesn't have a car charger?

 

[katydid23]

AT, by pushing so many chips on a Franks hearing, gave valuable insight into her strategy at trial. Not that attacking the surviving roommates wasn't unforeseeable.

I have no doubt that AT will be attacking the surviving roommates at trial. I'm curious if the judge will allow her to bring in any accusations to muddy the waters?

 

[mickey2942]

I feel so sorry for that door dash driver / rider. Imagine making that delivery in the small hours and then the next day or so being questioned as a potential suspect of such an horrific crime? It almost defies belief that someone can drop off a food order and within just a couple of hours the house is a bloodbath

Agreed. That is super scary. I remember reading a science fiction book years ago, where everyone wore a watch, that recorded everything they said and did, no one could lie, because people could just rewind the watch for that particular time, and watch the video in real time.

We are getting almost to that point. Do we always need an alibi for every second of our lives?

 

[CKS]

His potential next victim if she isn't careful. I believe that is E. Massoth part of the Defense Team brought on after the State requested and received additional help. I find her very smart and she has written some good Motions lately, far better than Logsdon IMO.

She does appear to sit closely and smiles at BK a lot. Maybe by design to show that he's just a lovable, misunderstood guy, not a diabolical mass murderer. It's ironic to me that both AT and EM are both attractive blonde women (BK's type IMO), and I'm sure BK enjoys having their forced undivided attention. Barf.

I'd love to know what they truly think of BK and what their interactions are like with him. Is he engaged and suggesting ideas and opinions in his Defense, or is he just sitting back and enjoying the show?

JMO

JMO

You want to know what they think about BK? Well, they've made it a point to state on the record they believe that BK is innocent. Which is a big deal to say the least in my opinion.


All MOO

 

[Megnut]

Agreed. That is super scary. I remember reading a science fiction book years ago, where everyone wore a watch, that recorded everything they said and did, no one could lie, because people could just rewind the watch for that particular time, and watch the video in real time.

We are getting almost to that point. Do we always need an alibi for every second of our lives?

Most of us have an alibi for every service of our lives. Our phones stand as witness.

Criminals know this. So they turn their phones off. Thinking they've gamed the system. When in fact the very action of turning their phones off created a telling black data hole and often a glaring break with typical usage.

Their phones stand as witness too. Silent witness screaming with data.

And leads to loud, earned convictions.

If BK had been stargazing throughout Moscow on a dozen other nights, why did he turn his phone off this night? That's a problem.

He's a problem. For the Defense.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

JMO

You want to know what they think about BK? Well, they've made it a point to state on the record they believe that BK is innocent. Which is a big deal to say the least in my opinion.


All MOO

In the sights of the law, he is innocent. Presumed innocent.

And we are seeing the case against him take shape, largely due to what the Defense has revealed. Huge blows to any actual innocence.

JMO