4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Cool Cats]

Ok, that's 13 years old. It's come a very, very long way since then.

No one was using a fingerprint brush on that sheath, and your other post discusses touch DNA being merely present at the scene. We all know that's dubious stuff, especially in a college house.

This was on an item the killer absolutely touched, so none of this stuff applies to this situation.

Of course the defense would have us believe that random DNA that was found was relevant, so your posts do help show why they're wrong.

The defense is scared BK's DNA's is mystery DNA. They should know by now. No information has come out that more than the sheath is BK's DNA.

 

[schooling]

There are no coincidences in homicides.

He's merely lucky that it appears that way.

Or he could have looked at his upcoming plate change and the holiday break and thought....no better time than now.

JMO

 

[mmeynstyn]

His Pennsylvania plate was set to expire on November 30, 2022. Last paragraph here:

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger changed license plate five days after student slayings

The suspect in the grisly murders of four University of Idaho students switched his license plate five days after his car was spotted near the crime scene, according to state records and a newly unsealed case filing.

www.fox6now.com

IMO, this is just a coincidence and not evidence of anything.

Not surprising that there are inconsistencies in the articles. @Nila Aella shared the following: <bolded by me for emphasis> Thus, if this article is true, it was still properly registered in Pennsylvania and the previous WA.gov link I shared indicates full time students do not need to register in WA. JMO

According to a public records request filed by KTVB, Kohberger, 28, applied to transfer the title of the Elantra from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which was issued on April 20, 2022, to Whitman County, Washington, on Nov. 18, 2022. It was then issued Dec. 5, 2022. Records show the vehicle was also registered.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjjm_HTsrKLAxUK4ckDHbRZE9EQFnoECBcQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ktvb.com%2Farticle%2Fnews%2Fspecial-reports%2Fmoscow-murders%2Fmoscow-suspect-bryan-kohberger-changed-title-of-hyundai-elantra-five-days-after-murders-vehicle-plates-latah%2F277-f8123696-c9cd-4955-96f4-d0ccf96c544c%23%3A~%3Atext%3DAccording%2520to%2520a%2520public%2520records%2520request%2520filed%2520by%2520KTVB%252C%2520Kohberger%2CCounty%252C%2520Washington%252C%2520on%2520Nov.&usg=AOvVaw0zlRUlQtw3xDY787mpBpg2&opi=89978449

JMO

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[MassGuy]

Many of the cases we follow have staggering coincidences when it comes to the accused, all of which you'd have to believe are merely coincidences.

Here we have:

Kohberger's DNA on the knife sheath.
He drives a white Hyundai, and a white Hyundai is spotted on camera.
He just so happens to be out driving within the time window that would allow him to commit this crime, and it's the middle of the night no less.
His cell phone happens to go dark during the beginning and end of his trip, which coincides with the timing of the murders.

And there's more where that came from...

 

[NCWatcher]

Not surprising that there are inconsistencies in the articles. @Nila Aella shared the following: <bolded by me for emphasis> Thus, if this article is true, it was still properly registered in Pennsylvania and the previous WA.gov link I shared indicates full time students do not need to register in WA. JMO

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The only things that makes me wonder...as I said before grad students are a bit different from undergrad (in their minds if not the law.) Also though, most grad students going to state schools need to document they are residents of the state where the to school is in order to get in- state tuition. The exemption you cited said students must "maintain their legal home of record at a location outside the state of Washington." Being a PA resident was not going to do BK any good if he planned to continue grad school in WA. (Including perhaps paying his own tuition if he was aware his assistantship was tanking.)
MOO

 

[Sundog]

The only things that makes me wonder...as I said before grad students are a bit different from undergrad (in their minds if not the law.) Also though, most grad students going to state schools need to document they are residents of the state where the to school is in order to get in- state tuition. The exemption you cited said students must "maintain their legal home of record at a location outside the state of Washington." Being a PA resident isnot going to do BK any good if he planned to continue grad school in WA. (Including perhaps paying his own tuition if he was aware his assistantship was tanking.)
MOO

Yes, IIRC, BK's graduate program required that students become WA state residents in order to be eligible for in-state tuition. Grad student who were receiving stipends were required to register as in-state residents by a certain date. I don't remember what date that was, but it may have been around the time that BK registered his car in WA.

It would significantly dilute their resources if an academic department had to pay out-of-state tuition for its grad assistantships. They would have to reduce the amount of graduate students they admitted. Hence the requirement for grad students to register as in-state residents.

 

[Nila Aella]

Not surprising that there are inconsistencies in the articles. @Nila Aella shared the following: <bolded by me for emphasis> Thus, if this article is true, it was still properly registered in Pennsylvania and the previous WA.gov link I shared indicates full time students do not need to register in WA. JMO

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His registration was due to expire on Nov 30th
In the affidavit (PCA exhibit)

Further investigation, including a review of Latah County Sheriff s Deputy CPL Drke's body cam and reports, showed that on August 21, 2022, Bryan Kohberger was detained as part of a traffic stop that occurred in Moscow, Idaho, by CPL Dlke. At the time, Kohberger, who was the sole occupant, was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elanta with Pennsylvania plate LFZ'8649 which was set to expire on November 30, 2022.

His application, on November 18th shows his legal address as WA (zipcode)
And that this was issued Dec 5 2022.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjqnOSQ77KLAxXNElkFHUJ6AQUQFnoECCYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox6now.com%2Fnews%2Fidaho-murders-bryan-kohberger-changed-license-plate-five-days-after-student-slayings&usg=AOvVaw3uWl4Eggegw3QmHfeOQPCX&opi=89978449

AT (1:20:02)
let's talk about that license plate for for a second though because that that's not something you can see from the videos and that was testimony you heard today you can't see that from the video that the cops relied on here so that bit about the license plate that that's something a little bit extra that happened after we have this IGG stuff that wasn't known before.

JMO

 

[mmeynstyn]

The only things that makes me wonder...as I said before grad students are a bit different from undergrad (in their minds if not the law.) Also though, most grad students going to state schools need to document they are residents of the state where the to school is in order to get in- state tuition. The exemption you cited said students must "maintain their legal home of record at a location outside the state of Washington." Being a PA resident was not going to do BK any good if he planned to continue grad school in WA. (Including perhaps paying his own tuition if he was aware his assistantship was tanking.)
MOO

You may be correct. I don't know BK's intentions wrt being a permanent residency in WA. However, I am just pointing out that it appears he did NOT NEED to change his vehicle registration a week after the murder legally based on the links below. He chose to do it for some reason...some people believe one article that says he had to because his PA vehicle registration expired in Nov 2022; other see the article that said he just had his vehicle registered in April 2022.
The degree has nothing to do with it. IMO.

Link to definitions: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=28C.10.020
3) "Degree" means any designation, appellation, letters, or words including but not limited to "associate," "bachelor," "master," "doctor," or "fellow" which signify or purport to signify satisfactory completion of an academic program of study beyond the secondary school level.
(4) "Education" includes but is not limited to, any class, course, or program of training, instruction, or study.
(5) "Educational credentials" means degrees, diplomas, certificates, transcripts, reports, or documents, that signify satisfactory completion of the requirements or prerequisites for any educational program.

Previous post below for reference:

WAC 308-99-040 states:
"May a vehicle properly licensed or registered in another jurisdiction be operated in Washington without further registration requirements? Yes, as provided in RCW 46.85.060 and 46.85.080 the following conditions and restrictions apply:
(1) Nonresident students: The student must be in full-time attendance at a college or university in Washington accredited by the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges or at a private vocational school as that term is defined by RCW 28C.10.020(7) and maintain their legal home of record at a location outside the state of Washington. Vehicles must be registered in the student's or in the name of their parent or legal guardian in the resident state of record. The student must carry documentation issued by the college, university or vocational school that readily establishes the nonresident status. Employment incidental to the full-time student status is permitted."

Link: https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=308-99-040

MOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Yes, IIRC, BK's graduate program required that students become WA state residents in order to be eligible for in-state tuition. Grad student who were receiving stipends were required to register as in-state residents by a certain date. I don't remember what date that was, but it may have been around the time that BK registered his car in WA.

It would significantly dilute their resources if an academic department had to pay out-of-state tuition for its grad assistantships. They would have to reduce the amount of graduate students they admitted. Hence the requirement for grad students to register as in-state residents.

I'll have to look for the article, but I do remember reading that in order for BK to be registered as an in-state resident, he had to show proof of residency such as registering his car. For being a TA, he also received free housing, health insurance and a stipend. This isn't the article I had read, but it's from WSU.

Graduate Student Assistantships
"Graduate assistants who maintain at least a half-time (20 hrs. /wk.) appointment are eligible for full tuition waivers. Students appointed a quarter time assistantship (10 hrs./wk.) are eligible for half tuition waivers. To qualify for a tuition waiver, students must reside within the state of Washington. Non-resident graduate students on assistantship appointments are eligible for a non-resident waiver for the out-of-state portion of tuition during the first year they are on assistantship appointment at WSU. During that first year, students are responsible for taking all necessary steps to establish legal residency in the state of Washington. If residency is not established, non-resident graduate students will be responsible for non-resident tuition after their first academic year. International students are provided an out-of-state tuition waiver with their assistantship appointment throughout their academic career."

 

[INfisherman]

Rather than speculating, we can do some reading & find out.

I would think state schools would just charge higher tuition fees for non-resident undergrad & graduate students rather than require them to go through the pains of changing residency potentially multiple times a year. Not much of an attraction if one is forced to "settle down" long term for educational purposes while still in their twenties & most with no job.

https://gradschool.wsu.edu/student-finance-page/ (note the cost link doesn’t work)

This shows grad student costs with assistance & is broken down by residency status: https://gradschool.wsu.edu/documents/2024/05/tuition-and-fees_2024-2025_ay.pdf/


ETA - undergrad & graduate


MOO

 

[mmeynstyn]

His registration was due to expire on Nov 30th
In the affidavit (PCA exhibit)

Further investigation, including a review of Latah County Sheriff s Deputy CPL Drke's body cam and reports, showed that on August 21, 2022, Bryan Kohberger was detained as part of a traffic stop that occurred in Moscow, Idaho, by CPL Dlke. At the time, Kohberger, who was the sole occupant, was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elanta with Pennsylvania plate LFZ'8649 which was set to expire on November 30, 2022.

His application, on November 18th shows his legal address as WA (zipcode)
And that this was issued Dec 5 2022.
View attachment 563308

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjqnOSQ77KLAxXNElkFHUJ6AQUQFnoECCYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox6now.com%2Fnews%2Fidaho-murders-bryan-kohberger-changed-license-plate-five-days-after-student-slayings&usg=AOvVaw3uWl4Eggegw3QmHfeOQPCX&opi=89978449

AT (1:20:02)
let's talk about that license plate for for a second though because that that's not something you can see from the videos and that was testimony you heard today you can't see that from the video that the cops relied on here so that bit about the license plate that that's something a little bit extra that happened after we have this IGG stuff that wasn't known before.

JMO

It is stated in the PCA, I'll give you that, but the attachment doesn't prove anything except he changed his title and registration, and we already knew that.

IMO, wrt the PCA, that was the least of their worries at the time of the PCA. I am glad they weren't focused on this bit of circumstantial evidence at that time. They had much stronger evidence to focus on. IMO

We may never know the truth about the timing of his vehicle registration in WA as the case against him is so strong already. IMO, I am not convinced it will even come up one way or another, IMO. But, still looking forward to what will be coming out in trial.

 

[mmeynstyn]

I'll have to look for the article, but I do remember reading that in order for BK to be registered as an in-state resident, he had to show proof of residency such as registering his car. For being a TA, he also received free housing, health insurance and a stipend. This isn't the article I had read, but it's from WSU.

Graduate Student Assistantships
"Graduate assistants who maintain at least a half-time (20 hrs. /wk.) appointment are eligible for full tuition waivers. Students appointed a quarter time assistantship (10 hrs./wk.) are eligible for half tuition waivers. To qualify for a tuition waiver, students must reside within the state of Washington. Non-resident graduate students on assistantship appointments are eligible for a non-resident waiver for the out-of-state portion of tuition during the first year they are on assistantship appointment at WSU. During that first year, students are responsible for taking all necessary steps to establish legal residency in the state of Washington. If residency is not established, non-resident graduate students will be responsible for non-resident tuition after their first academic year. International students are provided an out-of-state tuition waiver with their assistantship appointment throughout their academic career."

Here is good reason he would want to be a resident. $$$ Thank you.

 

[Sor Juana]

This was on an item the killer absolutely touched, so none of this stuff applies to this situation.

SBMFF BBM

First of all, it's crucial to remember that the individual in question is the accused, not a convicted killer. Innocent until proven guilty, as the saying goes. Second, why exactly are the doubts about the use of Touch DNA considered outdated? What specific advancements since 2012 have magically transformed doubts about Touch DNA evidence into something completely irrelevant for this case? If you can elucidate these points clearly, that would be splendid, preferably without using ducks or other feathered species as analogy. Here are some more recent references that don't seem to differ much from the one in Wikipedia, which was provided as a widely accepted source. However, I'm more than happy to dive into highly technical sources if you prefer. 1 2 3 4 5

Even with all due scrutiny confirming that the DNA on the sheath belongs to BK, the discussion then meanders into the realm of logic and dissipates there due to the absence of a murder weapon. It's like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle with half the pieces missing—no amount of squinting will make the picture any clearer. JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There are no coincidences in homicides.

He's merely lucky that it appears that way.

Huh? We're getting into he-breathed-only-killers-breathe territory here.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

It is stated in the PCA, I'll give you that, but the attachment doesn't prove anything except he changed his title and registration, and we already knew that.

SBBFF
It shows when the application was submitted, when it was issued, and that his legal address is WA.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

For your discerning ear, listen to AT swallow the alphabet.

Freudian stop?

1:30.50

 

[Sor Juana]

Many of the cases we follow have staggering coincidences when it comes to the accused, all of which you'd have to believe are merely coincidences.

Here we have:

Kohberger's DNA on the knife sheath.
He drives a white Hyundai, and a white Hyundai is spotted on camera.
He just so happens to be out driving within the time window that would allow him to commit this crime, and it's the middle of the night no less.
His cell phone happens to go dark during the beginning and end of his trip, which coincides with the timing of the murders.

And there's more where that came from...

BBM

In effect, nothing. We’ve got zilch to definitively pin BK for this crime. DNA alone doesn’t seal the deal, nor does just being around at the right (or wrong) time. White Elantra? We can't even be sure it's his. Nada. The police need to step up their game and dig deeper.

 

[MassGuy]

Huh? We're getting into he-breathed-only-killers-breathe territory here.

MOO

No, not in the least. If you have a bunch of incriminating "coincidences" involving a murderer, and you encounter another "coincidence," it's not going to be a coincidence.

Especially when it involves something that any killer would do to cover his tracks.

If you notice though, I did not include that in my list of incriminating coincidences.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM

In effect, nothing. We’ve got zilch to definitively pin BK for this crime. DNA alone doesn’t seal the deal, nor does just being around at the right (or wrong) time. White Elantra? We can't even be sure it's his. Nada. The police need to step up their game and dig deeper.

They have him dead to rights. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean the majority of people can't. This all fits together perfectly. The more you dig, the better the case gets. The opposite should happen if that DNA means nothing.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Thank you for this....So, that last link suggests he didn't even need to get new plates yet...until April 2023. Am I interpreting that correctly? I guess I better read it. LOL My bad.

No, it says it was the TITLE that was issued in April 2022, not the registration. Those are two different things. They usually align, but not always, especially if it was a family deal where he and his dad owned the vehicle and then dad signed it over to him before he started grad school, for example.

MOO.