Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

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[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

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[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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[flashy09]

Why spend money testing further? Because most murder victims are killed by someone they know. I'm not saying THESE girls were, but it seems like police work 101 to me (my opinion)! Especially since the victims were children! Why wouldn't they is a more logical question to me.

As always, JMO.

LE is adamant BG killed the girls and BG is a male. Everyone on the trail at that time is accounted for. Libby's female relatives are not on the trail.

 

[TTF14]

LE is adamant BG killed the girls and BG is a male. Everyone on the trail at that time is accounted for. Libby's female relatives are not on the trail.

Well, I'm aware of that. But this is a trial for a presumed innocent man. We don't just take LE's word for it in ANY case, including this one (or trials wouldn't even be a thing). We trust them to cover all the bases to prove the case to the jury, including testing all the evidence. Again, in all trials, not just this one.

As always, JMO.

 

[MiniMoo]

They did work it out, at least it's strongly implied by the defense attorney who mentioned this. They couldn't know that hair likely belonged to a female member of Libby's family unless they tested it.

From what Barbara MacDonald said on CourtTV LIVE is that the State were scrambling to get it tested.

May not be all worked out just yet.

Mightn't be relevant, but it might be as well.

BTW: The unspent bullet has never been tested with LE ones as it was brought up by Baldwin today.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[iamshadow21]

No, but he dressed her, expressed remorse, and killed her instantly. So it's *more* mercy than Libby.

I have to disagree. That could just mean he was more fixated on her, and that she was the focus of his very unwanted attention. Libby's more chaotic death could be because she didn't comply to his fantasy, fought, tried to run, or was just a 'spare' that he had to get rid of to get access to Abby.

We know so little at this point, I think it would be a grave mistake to attribute any of the killer's actions towards a young girl he murdered as indicative of care, consideration, or kindness, and certainly not of any kind of genuine remorse.

Definitely not mercy. Mercy would have been to never approach them in the first place.

MOO

 

[rez125]

Well, I'm aware of that. But this is a trial for a presumed innocent man. We don't just take LE's word for it in ANY case, including this one (or trials wouldn't even be a thing). We trust them to cover all the bases to prove the case to the jury, including testing all the evidence. Again, in all trials, not just this one.

As always, JMO.

Agreed. If any case requires close scrutiny it's this one.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Kelsi told the jury she gave DNA to police a few days ago and it was not the first time she been asked that.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 1 live blog

The trial for accused killer Richard Allen in the Delphi murders of Abby Williams and Libby German begins. Follow this blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

During cross examination, Patty said she learned months later that Libby wasn’t wearing pants when searchers found her. She also told the court she provided a sample of her own hair two days ago for DNA analysis. Patty claimed she had done this a few times over the years.

https://cbs4indy.com/delphi-trial/grandma-ill-be-okay-libby-germans-grandmother-recalls-day-girls-disappeared-on-delphi-trail/

 

[Vaderman]

As long as you don’t admit to being at the same place and time as a brutal murder, then change your story later, you should be ok. Don’t leave a knife sheath behind either!

jmo

Those are amongst the things that make me lean towards believing RA is the guy.

But I can so easily put myself into those shoes. Likes to go on walks by self? Check. But likes to do so to listen to music and unwind. Not able to account for when/where I was? Check. But lives alone and doesn't check in/out with anyone. Leaves phone at home, meaning no traceability there? Check. But likes to wear thin workout clothes without the extra weight. Works in the community and people seem to like me? Check. But also a very quiet, cautious dude.

I get there are plenty of reasons why RA is looking guilty.

There are just so many "Check...but"s that I can place myself into. I just really, really hope the state has the goods. More than what we know so far...because: was I at spotted leaving my apartment on security footage 15 minutes ago? Check...but..."

 

[Spartygirl]

Must be incompetent if the Prosecutors are scrambling to get it tested right now.

Just two days ago some of Libby's family were tested to see if there is a connection.

I did not see anything saying prosecutors were getting it tested "Right now"
Please add a link or info.

 

[zh0r4]

He said he saw her. She said she saw him. He also said he was on the bridge looking at fish. So yeah. I think thats saying he was seen, specifically.

Where is a source? (Article, document, TIA) Who is “she”?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Libby’s recording of the kidnap wasn’t until 2:47 so it would not overlap

The video was taken at 2:13 p.m. Feb. 13, 2017, about 45 minutes after the two girls were dropped off at the bridge by a relative.

Delphi murders: Audio, video released by police came from Libby German's iPhone

It is revealed in the search warrant signed by the first judge in the Delphi murders case that, this video and audio released by Indiana State Police came from teenager Libby German's iPhone.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Tricia]

Please continue here

 

[iamshadow21]

Two hundred threads. Feels epic.

Glad that we're actually at trial when we hit that big 200, and not just still waiting for any kind of answer.

May this trial bring those answers, and justice, not just for Abby and Libby and their families, but for everyone who has followed this case at any point in the last seven years.

 

[steeltowngirl]

 

[TTF14]

Kelsi told the jury she gave DNA to police a few days ago and it was not the first time she been asked that.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 1 live blog

The trial for accused killer Richard Allen in the Delphi murders of Abby Williams and Libby German begins. Follow this blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

During cross examination, Patty said she learned months later that Libby wasn’t wearing pants when searchers found her. She also told the court she provided a sample of her own hair two days ago for DNA analysis. Patty claimed she had done this a few times over the years.

https://cbs4indy.com/delphi-trial/grandma-ill-be-okay-libby-germans-grandmother-recalls-day-girls-disappeared-on-delphi-trail/

Stupid question incoming....

So, when felons are convicted, then have to provide a DNA sample (in most states? Or all?) that goes into CODIS. During a murder investigation, the same type of system isn't used? Why would these family members (or anyone) even need to provide their DNA more than once?

Just curious.

As always, JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

So the jury did ask questions, which is obviously a good thing. It's also good because it will give us a feel for where their heads are, especially as the trial progresses. I completely forgot court will be in session tomorrow, albeit for a brief period.

The jury did ask a couple of questions. They asked the deputy how often people walk the trail and then turn around without crossing the Delphi High Bridge. He answered simply, "I don't know."

5:30 p.m.

Court was dismissed around 5:30 p.m. The second day of the trial will start at 9 a.m. Saturday for a session that is expected to last about three hours.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 1 | Trial begins in Carroll County, Indiana

Here's what happened on day one of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen's trial in Carroll County, Indiana.

www.wrtv.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Stupid question incoming....

So, when felons are convicted, then have to provide a DNA sample (in most states? Or all?) that goes into CODIS. During a murder investigation, the same type of system isn't used? Why would these family members (or anyone) even need to provide their DNA more than once?

Just curious.

As always, JMO.

Civilians who provide DNA do so with the protection that that DNA is only used for specific purposes and stored for a limited time.

Their samples aren't all put in a database to be held indefinitely.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

So the jury did ask questions, which is obviously a good thing. It's also good because it will give us a feel for where their heads are, especially as the trial progresses. I completely forgot court will be in session tomorrow, albeit for a brief period.

The jury did ask a couple of questions. They asked the deputy how often people walk the trail and then turn around without crossing the Delphi High Bridge. He answered simply, "I don't know."

5:30 p.m.

Court was dismissed around 5:30 p.m. The second day of the trial will start at 9 a.m. Saturday for a session that is expected to last about three hours.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 1 | Trial begins in Carroll County, Indiana

Here's what happened on day one of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen's trial in Carroll County, Indiana.

www.wrtv.com

Will all of the Saturday sessions be so short?

And why would they ask a deputy that and why would he answer? (Or was he on the stand?)