Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[IHAVENOCLUE]

And just because they haven’t produced it (for no known reasons) doesn’t mean they don’t have it and/or it’s not going to come to play in the defense- at this point nothing would surprise me- maybe they have records from a third party app or his stick company that shows he logged in in his phone and then again from his home computer to back up his timeline

Don’t personally think that they still have the phone- but I’d asked the same question a couple days ago if it was a possibility and they hadn’t disclosed it yet-

I wish the early investigation had been more thorough and the case had more physical evidence - moo

Actually....
Going back further...
I wish no one had so heinously slain these poor girls...

But I get what you mean...

JMO...

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Possibly. This is also why I asked if LE reviewed area traffic cams for the day of the crime - is it POSSIBLE that any other cars similar to or matching RA's were in the area that day that could have been considered or investigated? Moo.

Do they even HAVE traffic cams> serious question as I haven't heard.

 

[Dhighsmith]

This is why the suspect for Elizabeth and Lyric was cleared - no cell phone data near the crime areas. It’s utterly ridiculous to clear someone bc their phone wasn’t there. A criminal or group of criminals who know what they’re doing will not have their personal phones with them during a crime. A burner, yes.

Elizabeth & Lyric case is on my list along with Jon Benetton Ramsey of cases that I pray for answers.

 

[rez125]

I agree! Too bad they didn’t get to see it yesterday. When the D moved to admit the interview video, NM jumped up and demanded a sidebar. They had their sidebar. When they came back, JG admitted the videos but didn't show them yesterday (why? the presenter did not know why so it sounds like the judge did not issue a reason imo). Doesn't sound like the State was very happy about the idea of the video being admitted into evidence. LMAO.

(around 1 hour 53m in).

I do hope the jury get to watch that video as many times as they want during deliberations.

By multiple accounts it's not clear what if anything was said by BG.

 

[photographer4]

I do hope the jury get to watch that video as many times as they want during deliberations.

By multiple accounts it's not clear what if anything was said by BG.

That too, but the video that was admitted into evidence yesterday is the one from when Holeman interviewed RA. Suddenly the State jumped up and demanded a sidebar... so what don't THEY want the jury to know / see / hear? Hmmm? moo

 

[rez125]

That too, but the video that was admitted into evidence yesterday is the one from when Holeman interviewed RA. Suddenly the State jumped up and demanded a sidebar... so what don't THEY want the jury to know / see / hear? Hmmm? moo

They don't want them to see a number of things at a guess.

The tape having a malfunction at the exact time he was marandised is, um, unfortunate.

 

[INfisherman]

Do they even HAVE traffic cams> serious question as I haven't heard.

Paraphrasing.

IIRC, there was a heated cross with Mullin over an interview conducted with RA concerning the route he took to the CPS that day. LE had a car resembling RA's passing by the HH on the HH security camera on 300N. RA at some point was claiming he drove through town to get to CPS which evidently didn’t line up with the security camera footage in regards to the direction from which RA’s car was supposedly coming. If there were traffic cams in town AND RA was being truthful, there shouldn’t have been any debate as I’d hope LE would have been smart enough to check traffic cams.

Here's what has happened so far in the Delphi murders trial

Richard Allen is on trial for allegedly murdering Abby Williams and Libby German. Here is what has happened in his trial so far.

www.wthr.com

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-misfiled-report-from-2017-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If you define that as evidence, then all I can say is we have different definitions of evidence.

JMO

What was being asked when RA said this? Could he have perhaps said that as meaning "it doesn't matter because I am done with answering questions"? I apologize for the dumb questions, but I am severely behind on this case. Real life keeps me that way.

 

[Yemelyan]

"The terrain is “pretty rough and steep,” he told the court. He showed the jury a map of the area and walked them through the topography. He described how investigators carefully marked the area near ground zero and the path leading to the girls’ bodies."

Maybe I missed something earlier, but, I don't remember hearing about a "...path leading to the girls' bodies."

What path?

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-day-3-of-testimony-includes-graphic-crime-scene-photos/

I know you have received a couple of answers about this, but I believe the "path" referred to in this piece of testimony was made with a yellow rope by crime scene investigators to mark off a specific way in and out of the scene, so as not to disturb potential evidence. There were questions about this because of the defense claiming in one of the Franks motions that yellow rope at the scene had perhaps been used by the killer. In actuality it was part of crime scene protocol to set up rope in this way and it had been brought to the scene by investigators.

 

[Melted]

I think that technical phone testimony is still to come. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, not discussed in detail yet.

I believe the defense will have a very technical digital forensic expert that will unveil a lot of information that law enforcement looked over or couldn’t find.
Defense has been clearly hinting at this with their mentions of the KnowledgeC Database.

State experts have admitted they did not even know about this database when they did their extractions of the phone.

“
The knowledgeC database stores an event log of multiple processes that run within an Apple device ranging from application usage to speaker output switching.

KnowledgeC.db is the database behind the coreduet daemon in iOS meant to synchronize states between Apple products.

KnowledgeC.db is probably one of the most important databases you can hope to recover from an iPhone.”

JMO

https://cellebrite.com/en/glossary/knowledgec-database-knowledgec-db/

 

[photographer4]

They don't want them to see a number of things at a guess.

The tape having a malfunction at the exact time he was marandised is, um, unfortunate.

That’s certainly one word for it. Moo.

 

[INfisherman]

If you define that as evidence, then all I can say is we have different definitions of evidence.

JMO

Hi bud. I missed this earlier. Wasn’t the "it’s over" phrase part of Holeman’s sworn testimony in court? If it in fact was could you please clarify how that might not be evidence? Thanks!

 

[Trebor5591]

My opinion only and I’m not singling you out at all, but as per my last post, why not when you learn that RA has a 226, and you believe this unspent bullet was from a 226, why wouldn’t you at the very minimum canvas the town and try to find out if anyone else owns a 226?

At the very least you could say, under oath, we can confirm with a good degree of certainty that no one else in town owned a 226 at that time, and yes it could be a transient as in a freight driver, but, they wouldn’t have the knowledge you would need to navigate this area etc etc

To me these easily done investigations are the stacking blocks for circumstantial evidence to convict someone

They knew it was a .40 caliber round, but not that it was a 226. There are at least 10 pistol models that fire a .40 cal round. And Delphi is not that small a town--the population is 3,000, which makes canvassing the town for pistols that fire .40 caliber rounds unrealistic, IMO.

 

[AliceSprings]

Elizabeth & Lyric case is on my list along with Jon Benetton Ramsey of cases that I pray for answers.

If they ever find the right suspect for one they might find the suspect for the other...

 

[rez125]

Hi bud. I missed this earlier. Wasn’t the "it’s over" phrase part of Holeman’s sworn testimony in court? If it in fact was could you please clarify how that might not be evidence? Thanks!

What was the context?

 

[SleutherGirl]

Canvas the town for a "226"? Isn't there 5,000 people in Delphi? That would be a unrealistic--a huge task.

Aren't there gun registries? Could you check those?

 

[INfisherman]

I believe the defense will have a very technical digital forensic expert that will unveil a lot of information that law enforcement looked over or couldn’t find.
Defense has been clearly hinting at this with their mentions of the KnowledgeC Database.

State experts have admitted they did not even know about this database when they did their extractions of the phone.

“
The knowledgeC database stores an event log of multiple processes that run within an Apple device ranging from application usage to speaker output switching.

KnowledgeC.db is the database behind the coreduet daemon in iOS meant to synchronize states between Apple products.

KnowledgeC.db is probably one of the most important databases you can hope to recover from an iPhone.”

JMO

https://cellebrite.com/en/glossary/knowledgec-database-knowledgec-db/

BBM

Respectfully,, bolded portion above is only partly true, as Brunner did several extractions over the years. He wasn’t aware of it (knowledgeC) until 1-2 years after having initially received the phone, and had checked the phone as recently as this year, according to his testimony.

I assume the multiple extractions are done due to the software being used for the extraction is updated & improved with new features over time.

Jurors watch never-before-seen, enhanced video from Libby German's cellphone | Day 4 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[INfisherman]

@rez125

Hang tight - will clarify. Have to run.

 

[Boxer]

They don't want them to see a number of things at a guess.

The tape having a malfunction at the exact time he was marandised is, um, unfortunate.

Didn't the prosecution say they did not Mirandize him at that time?

 

[gremlin444]

I wish I hadn't listened to to John Grisham's interview for his new book about innocent people in jail. He describes the phenomenon of false confessions and talks about the dirty tricks of getting them and LE and PA's pressure to solve high profile or crimes in general. Throw in a naive trusting jury and things can go sideways for an innocent person .

MOO.

I truly hope he is guilty. We don't need to add more to this horrific tragedy.

Having said that I am trying to straddle the fence, look at it from different points of view and stay open minded.

IIRC RA revealed to LE detail(s) only the killer could know. I apologize if I'm incorrect but there's been a lot of confusing statements in this arena.
IMO that will be the smoking gun.

"The terrain is “pretty rough and steep,” he told the court. He showed the jury a map of the area and walked them through the topography. He described how investigators carefully marked the area near ground zero and the path leading to the girls’ bodies."

Maybe I missed something earlier, but, I don't remember hearing about a "...path leading to the girls' bodies."

What path?

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-day-3-of-testimony-includes-graphic-crime-scene-photos/

One of the officers, I believe Page, talked about how he used yellow police rope to mark a safe route for other LE to be able to walk to the bodies in order to prevent them potentially destroying evidence in areas that hadn't been processed yet.