GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[INfisherman]

Happy Easter to everyone except RA!

 

[LeahBee]

He never walked back anything & if he did it was never reported as such.

No evidence of any recordings of him recanting any confessions. IIRC, he was diagnosed as psychotic for 3 weeks at longest while at Westville. His confessions came before, during & after those diagnoses.

His family were in denial. He’d gaslit them for years, just like he did his wife near the end of the interview with Holeman prior to his arrest.

MOO

If I had made a false confession due to psychosis, the second I had my wits back I would be following up with everyone with an explanation... and I feel like if there were phone calls of him claiming his innocence, defense would have introduced them. So I guess his wife/mother just moved on from those calls, either truly believing they were false confessions or they're just some bonkers level of delusional. (I'm leaning towards the latter). It's just such a big thing to never bring up again.
I know they were gaslit by RA, and how do you accept this man you love did these horrific things, but like ... ??
Sorry that this is ramble-y, just one of those frustrating, hard to understand things I keep mulling over for no reason

 

[INfisherman]

If I had made a false confession due to psychosis, the second I had my wits back I would be following up with everyone with an explanation... and I feel like if there were phone calls of him claiming his innocence, defense would have introduced them. So I guess his wife/mother just moved on from those calls, either truly believing they were false confessions or they're just some bonkers level of delusional. (I'm leaning towards the latter). It's just such a big thing to never bring up again.
I know they were gaslit by RA, and how do you accept this man you love did these horrific things, but like ... ??
Sorry that this is ramble-y, just one of those frustrating, hard to understand things I keep mulling over for no reason

I’m left wondering about certain things as well, mainly details about specific events on 13FE17 or when his wife made up her mind he was being completely honest with her. The rest is lies, acting, ego, ignorance & selfishness.

His wife knew he lied. She made the decision to ignore that fact & side with his story despite evidence proving otherwise, as did his mother. They’ve babied him since day one & he’s taken advantage of it his entire life. They all believed the unethical, lying attorneys & let them invent multiple narratives which they chose to believe & follow to this day.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

I’m left wondering about certain things as well, mainly details about specific events on 13FE17 or when his wife made up her mind he was being completely honest with her. The rest is lies, acting, ego, ignorance & selfishness.

His wife knew he lied. She made the decision to ignore that fact & side with his story despite evidence proving otherwise, as did his mother. They’ve babied him since day one & he’s taken advantage of it his entire life. They all believed the unethical, lying attorneys & let them invent multiple narratives which they chose to believe & follow to this day.

JMO

Just stepping over to the Devil’s Advocate side for a brief moment but I wouldn’t expect RA’s wife or mother to have thrown him under the bus prior to his trial and during conversations they knew were being recorded. The best they could do is essentially ignore it, much like they did. After all he was legally presumed innocent prior to his conviction. It’s a little unfair to expect a family member to convict him when that’s the role of the jury.

However will either one of them change their mind before or after appeal, assuming his conviction and sentence perpetually stands as is, IMO that’s the question.
JMO

 

[Andieinsyd]

Just stepping over to the Devil’s Advocate side for a brief moment but I wouldn’t expect RA’s wife or mother to have thrown him under the bus prior to his trial and during conversations they knew were being recorded. The best they could do is essentially ignore it, much like they did. After all he was legally presumed innocent prior to his conviction. It’s a little unfair to expect a family member to convict him when that’s the role of the jury.

However will either one of them change their mind before or after appeal, assuming his conviction and sentence perpetually stands as is, IMO that’s the question.
JMO

I think that now KA has had a good amount of time living without RA, she may feel differently. They had been together since they were young, and he did seem to exert a strong hold (possible coercion) over KA, based on videos that have been released. Then add in the original defence team, who IMO were experts in deceitful tactics, and she went with what they were telling her. I think she kind of had to, because she had to stand on the fact that she didn’t know he was RA.
But she is out from all of that now. RA is locked up for good, she has nothing to fear from him. I think she’ll quietly divorce him in a little while. He can sign up for the penal pen pal program and have a new prison marriage, there will be lots of candidates I’m sure.
I think his mum will love him no matter what, and choose to believe he couldn’t have done this.

 

[INfisherman]

Just stepping over to the Devil’s Advocate side for a brief moment but I wouldn’t expect RA’s wife or mother to have thrown him under the bus prior to his trial and during conversations they knew were being recorded. The best they could do is essentially ignore it, much like they did. After all he was legally presumed innocent prior to his conviction. It’s a little unfair to expect a family member to convict him when that’s the role of the jury.

However will either one of them change their mind before or after appeal, assuming his conviction and sentence perpetually stands as is, IMO that’s the question.
JMO

While that is a valid point, it wasn’t really a factor as to why his wife seemingly did an about face after knowing he refused to let her join the searches in 2017 & then later after the interview on 26OCT22, nor the point of the previous discussion. He lied to her, right on camera prior to being arrested in that interview room. It’s right there for all to see - she doesn’t believe him & calls him out on it. He gaslights her & tells her another lie & when the bullet comes up, he tells her he loves her. She doesn’t even seem to kiss him before she walks out of the interview room. Not much of an indication she’s buying what he’s selling, IMO.

She chose to accept the lies & gaslighting & then while he was confessing to her over the phone, she chose not to believe it but rather tell him it’s not true & someone is messing with his meds, as did his mother. He tells them both he did it, months after denying it in that interview room.

It’s not about throwing him under the bus so much as it is swallowing his prior lies & the legal folks telling her what to do. Of course she’s going to deny it - the attorneys have told her they can win the case & she fell for that BS as well. My point was she obviously chose to believe a bunch of crap rather than what was right in front of her face, regardless of his legal rights, all the way through the trial. She didn’t have to rat him out to police or over the phone to establish with what she chose to stick.

MOO

ETA over the phone, grammar - last sentence.

 

[ClearAhead]

While that is a valid point, it wasn’t really a factor as to why his wife seemingly did an about face after knowing he refused to let her join the searches in 2017 & then later after the interview on 26OCT22, nor the point of the previous discussion. He lied to her, right on camera prior to being arrested in that interview room. It’s right there for all to see - she doesn’t believe him & calls him out on it. He gaslights her & tells her another lie & when the bullet comes up, he tells her he loves her. She doesn’t even seem to kiss him before she walks out of the interview room. Not much of an indication she’s buying what he’s selling, IMO.

She chose to accept the lies & gaslighting & then while he was confessing to her over the phone, she chose not to believe it but rather tell him it’s not true & someone is messing with his meds, as did his mother. He tells them both he did it, months after denying it in that interview room.

It’s not about throwing him under the bus so much as it is swallowing his prior lies & the legal folks telling her what to do. Of course she’s going to deny it - the attorneys have told her they can win the case & she fell for that BS as well. My point was she obviously chose to believe a bunch of crap rather than what was right in front of her face, regardless of his legal rights, all the way through the trial. She didn’t have to rat him out to police or over the phone to establish with what she chose to stick.

MOO

ETA over the phone, grammar - last sentence.

It must’ve been a dilemma for her, for sure. I cannot think of another case which I’ve followed where the accused is discussing anything relating to the crimes he’s been charged with family members in recorded phonecalls.

That’s a horribly unfair burden to place on family members by involving them in any way period. It would be kindness to want to spare them from his situation. He had no business even bringing it into the conversation, just another example of how thoughtless and selfish RA is.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

It must’ve been a dilemma for her, for sure. I cannot think of another case which I’ve followed where the accused is discussing anything relating to the crimes he’s been charged with family members in recorded phonecalls.

That’s a horribly unfair burden to place on family members by involving them in any way period. It would be kindness to want to spare them from his situation. He had no business even bringing it into the conversation, just another example of how thoughtless and selfish RA is.

JMO

He can’t help himself. He has to have control, it seems. He’s a manipulator & she’s likely allowed it to happen since HS. If this experience isn’t a wake up call, then I don’t know what else could be. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you. She doesn’t have to continue to follow & stick with a selfish man, but AFAWK, she’s 100% vested in the animal.

I really do wish I could feel more sympathy for her but with her being the parent of a daughter & seeing what her chosen man has done to someone else’s daughters as well as the people they chose to represent & speak for them for years, I’m having a hard time finding sympathy. Maybe in time.

JMO

 

[LittleSeaTree]

I have been waiting for this...

But, as I scan through it, I'm heartsick...

It's all so tragic.

And senseless.

And awful.

All because of one sick demented individual.

He deserves to be begging bars for the rest of his disgusting life.

If there were real justice, in this life, Abby and Libby would get their lives restored. Young women who would have and could have and should have gone on to adulthood, to make their marks in this world alive.

He stole all of that.

Indefensible.

JMO

I have been waiting for this...

But, as I scan through it, I'm heartsick...

It's all so tragic.

And senseless.

And awful.

All because of one sick demented individual.

He deserves to be begging bars for the rest of his disgusting life.

If there were real justice, in this life, Abby and Libby would get their lives restored. Young women who would have and could have and should have gone on to adulthood, to make their marks in this world alive.

He stole all of that.

Indefensible.

JMO

Well said. I can’t stop thinking about the goosebumps on Libby.

 

[katydid23]

I still believe KA will divorce RA and move on into obscurity as much as possible after his initial appeals are denied. She's finally free of the NARC child murderer. I think Rozzi and Baldwin had her wound up and convinced of a Not Guilty verdict and needed her as a "Stand by your man" prop.

Lots of press, interviews, book deals. etc. Damn, that Guilty verdict really threw a monkey wrench in all of the leaches plans didn't it?

JMO

Except, I think KA is still under the thumb of the private investigator, E.M., the defense buddy that was with Motta on a lot of Defense Diary shows. And EM is pretty shady. I know her from previous cases like the Hailey Dunn murder investigation.

She created a lot of chaos with crazy conspiracy theories of satan worshippers, etc. She moved in with Hailey's father and took over the investigation and began having lots of fundraisers, etc.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Except, I think KA is still under the thumb of the private investigator, E.M., the defense buddy that was with Motta on a lot of Defense Diary shows. And EM is pretty shady. I know her from previous cases like the Hailey Dunn murder investigation.

She created a lot of chaos with crazy conspiracy theories of satan worshippers, etc. She moved in with Hailey's father and took over the investigation and began having lots of fundraisers, etc.

Oh that EM is certifiable IMO , I remember her from the HD case. Hopefully KA cuts ties with all these internet cranks, but if not, oh well, it's on her.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It must’ve been a dilemma for her, for sure. I cannot think of another case which I’ve followed where the accused is discussing anything relating to the crimes he’s been charged with family members in recorded phonecalls.

That’s a horribly unfair burden to place on family members by involving them in any way period. It would be kindness to want to spare them from his situation. He had no business even bringing it into the conversation, just another example of how thoughtless and selfish RA is.

JMO

It's all about HIM...the RA show. He was pretty much a nondescript nobody anywhere else, but probably made home life unbearable with his crazy antics. I do believe he was an alcoholic, a functioning one, but one nonetheless.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

There’s no way KA and Rick’s mother came up with the explanation that his confessions were brought on by prison conditions and them “messing with his meds”. That is straight out of a lawyer’s brain and we know whose brain it was and we know who coached them on it.
As someone a few posts ago said, where are the phone calls where RA insists he’s innocent, once he supposedly got his head straightened out?

 

[Megnut]

Did RA ever try to walk back his confessions to his wife/mother/psychologist/anyone else he directly confessed to?
Obviously in court he claimed his innocence and that the confessions were because of psychosis, but were there any further phone calls with his wife and mother saying "Oops my bad I made a false confession during psychosis" or did they just pretend in all their further conversations that his confessions never happened?

I'd say RA had a classic case of malingering, never had any remorse, but instead, a nasty response to being cut off from KA.

IMO he wanted to confess because, he knew he wasn't getting out ever, he just wanted to be done, didn't want a trial. Had nothing to do with 'finding God' or being forgiven (divinely) or any kind of remorse or sympathy for what he'd done or the harm he was causing. He didn't want to talk about it anymore, just wanted validation from his wife and mother, that they'd still love him. Needy much?

That was the fate he could accept, living out his miserable days in prison, provided he had his wife and mom calling him.

All the laptop breaking, wall banging, feces eating, graphic sporting -- had nothing to do with psychosis (it was calculated, manipulative) -- and with to do with RA wanting to win KA. Interesting strategy. I can't help but dinner what tactics he may have employed over the years, designed to prevent KA from ever leaving him IMO. I can't leave him when he sick.

In his interviews, he showed whar a nihilist he is. Fatality. Just arrest me. What's the point? It's over. I'm guilty. I did it.

He just wanted the part of least resistance. It would be foolish IMO to ascribe anything noble to his confessions. They were self-serving.

He knew he was on the bridge. He knew he racked his gun. He knew which way he left. And he knew LE knew. Jig was up.

As long as KA and his mom keep calling him, he's probably doing just fine. Should they stop, he'll flip out anew.

Has NOTHING to do with prison conditions and everything to do with RA's short fuse, sick mind, codependent dysfunction, etc, etc.

JMO

 

[Mirabel091]

Oh that EM is certifiable IMO , I remember her from the HD case. Hopefully KA cuts ties with all these internet cranks, but if not, oh well, it's on her.

If that's the only kind of person KA truly has on "her" side, then that in itself should tell her something... If she was open to seeing it.

 

[Vern]

WOW!! So Rozzi asked to be disqualified and Baldwin admitted knowingly not reporting leaked discovery to the court and to pleading what he knew to be falsehoods and inaccuracies in a court hearing, on the record. Rozzi must have also know that as well, IMO.

Well some people sure owe JG an apology. MO

I wish you, and everyone else too(!!), a Happy Easter with a sincere hope that you are not holding your breath waiting for the apologies to Judge Gull.

Because ...

IMO.
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[Willow Knight]

And wise, insightful.

Because the first time they watched, they were undecided, listening for content.

The second time, to confirm their verdict.

"Arrest me."

"Happy to"

(Couldn't help myself @Megnut)

 

[Willow Knight]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912986650638192653

Just had a chance to watch this. WOW

Having huge internet problems all month. (Actually borrowing hotspot) I need to reread this whole thread once I'm back up.

Thanks all.

 

[Willow Knight]

Someone accuses me of something I didn't do I think my hands would naturally go up and push away as I spoke. His body language was out of sync for innocence imo.

I put myself (or tried) in that same position. I would be absolutely livid, screaming how dare you! I'd be so mad.

How did this killer stay so calm? What a putrid child killer.

 

[Willow Knight]

Just jumping off from your post:

I have watched many of the recordings but not all, so would someone help me out here, did he ever ask KA point blank if she thought he did it?

If so what did she say in response?

I don't recall seeing him ask that, just him assuring KA that he knows she knows he couldn't/wouldn't do anything like this.

Actually he TOLD her that she knew he couldn't do the crime. He never asked, he told her what to believe.