GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Sweeper2000]

Am confident that at parts of those phone calls you can hear that RA is indeed bridge guy difference specially the call at 5.20 in this video.

only thing is in the bridge video hes got a of freeze in the voice. feel so sorry for his wife in this as well. more victims unfortunately.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I agree!

I think a lot of officers did a lot of hard work and they did a lot of things right. We still don't know how the tip was mislabeled. It could have been an innocent mistake and let's face it, without RA coming forward or someone saying hey that is RA, it may not have been solved ever. That isn't the fault of LE. They can't magically know who a perp is and they can't go around interrogating every person they think looks like BG. They needed a tip and it happens that the one they got was misfiled. I wouldn't say that means a lot was messed up. I'd say we will never know the hours and hours of work that was done on this case and most all of that was done right. These LEO's lived this case for years and many of them are still likely impacted by it. They then were made to all look like incompetent jerks that were just covering for the real killer.

It's unfortunate that someone can commit a crime in an area without cameras and get away with it, but it happens. LE can't know what they don't know. DNA isn't there, then they can't just wish it was so.

He committed a crime in an area that nobody was likely to see him, he only passed a few people on the trail and none of them knew him or who he was and they didn't even know they needed to remember what he looked like.. it was an average day for everyone out there except for him.. he is the only one that knew what his evil plan was.. everyone else was just enjoying a nice day outside. He didn't leave DNA behind and we don't know what phone he had or if he even had one that day so nothing could lead police to him unless he or someone he knew came forward.

I do wonder if the heat was on him from day 1, then would he have gotten rid of evidence? Instead he kept it and he gained confidence as the days/weeks/months went on. He was bold to keep that gun, he even had a keepsake bullet in his little box. I don't know if he would have kept that.. he also kept the car, but what he did do was get rid of the phone he said he had. Interesting.. so some things actually helped with the passing of time. I think that time is also what lead him to come in to talk to LE in Oct. of 22. He wasn't too worried about it because it had been 5 years.. he was going to be helpful.

So maybe this case played out exactly as it should have in order to get the conviction so he could be put where he belongs.

Well said @justtrish
I do joke around about the LE missteps, but each and every one of them poured their heart and soul into the investigation. They are human, made some mistakes, owned them, and pressed on. And they got the job done! They got the right guy. He’s where he belongs now, behind bars, and after he eventually exhausts his legal recourse, he will be there until he leaves.. in a pine box.

jmo

 

[justtrish]

After his wife comes in, how many times does RA say “ I could never do something like this; you know that baby; right; you know I could never do this”.
He says it over and over.
Not once that I can see, does KA ever agree with him.

It was really awkward. It seems to me that she isn't buying it when she walks in there. She then is apologizing for saying to LE that he wasn't on the bridge.. she said something like I didn't know. It's like she is now worried she got him in trouble. I was waiting for her to be angry with him for lying to her, instead she was worried she got him in trouble because HE LIED TO HER. I am sure she was conflicted and confused, but it sure felt like she was thinking he did it and he was not really convincing her that he didn't either. Then something happened after that and she was full on support RA after that, but I do think for a time in that room, she believed LE.. she even said you have a bullet in that box or something like that. Maybe she was playing all the things back in her head over the years.

 

[Vaderman]

Human garbage & wow did he pick a gullible wife. I despise her probably more than him. 2 sniveling, whiny peas in a pod.

JMO but I don't think she was being gullible. It was posted yesterday and I agree, I think she knew. In the jail calls, she didn't seem mad that he was apologizing because he did it...she seemed mad that he was willing to apologize.

 

[Vaderman]

he told JH he only carried his gun when he went fishing or mushroom hunting.

I'm not a hunter so I'm not sure the answer to this... Is it normal for people to use a gun while hunting mushrooms? Do they put up much of a fight?

Prior to those instances, he’d make claims of (paraphrasing) "I know you know me & I know you know I wouldn’t do this; I know you love me," etc. but he would be looking down or away until he was finished & then look up to see if she was agreeing or acknowledging, as if he needed an indicator whether or not she was buying his heaping pile.

I really would like to know what his life was like the five years in between the murders and the arrest. He had to have been paranoid, living in constant fear, always looking over his shoulder. I would be a wreck. Any random comment made by a stranger may as well have been a plains cloth investigator hot on the trail.

 

[rebelchild]

2:12.32

Ricky says DTH.

ohh .. and he also talks about a little shack that was down that hill makes me think of the press conference when Doug Carter mentioned a shack .. but I know he said it was in reference to a movie. But what a weird coincidence.

 

[justtrish]

Well said @justtrish
I do joke around about the LE missteps, but each and every one of them poured their heart and soul into the investigation. They are human, made some mistakes, owned them, and pressed on. And they got the job done! They got the right guy. He’s where he belongs now, behind bars, and after he eventually exhausts his legal recourse, he will be there until he leaves.. in a pine box.

jmo

I think we have heard about the missteps because it's the only thing the defense could highlight. Interviews were recorded over.. it happens. They then decided that the one recorded over were the most important ones and how could LE do that? Well what about the 100s of other interview now recorded over? It's also possible other tips were misfiled too, not just this one, but we hear about this one because it's about RA. What about the 10,000s that were not misfiled? Nothing is perfect 100% of the time. I know it's the job of the defense to point out these things, but in doing so in this case they also tried to make this about a huge conspiracy to let the "real killers" be free in some LE buddy buddy cult thing and people ran with it. I understand mistakes were made, but so much was done right.

Also I listened to the interviews MS did with many of the LEO involved in this case and it's clear that this case impacted them, they will never be the same. They are not the problem here.. RA is. I wish the world would remember THAT.. even when mistakes are made, it isn't LE that has done these crimes.. it's like some just look for someone to blame other than the criminals doing these horrific acts. Many of those same LEO's said it's what they expect, no worries, they weren't offended, etc. It still stinks that the good guys here can be seen as the bad guys and the bad guy comes out looking like he's the victim. Twisted world sometimes.

 

[justtrish]

I'm not a hunter so I'm not sure the answer to this... Is it normal for people to use a gun while hunting mushrooms? Do they put up much of a fight?


I really would like to know what his life was like the five years in between the murders and the arrest. He had to have been paranoid, living in constant fear, always looking over his shoulder. I would be a wreck. Any random comment made by a stranger may as well have been a plains cloth investigator hot on the trail.

I don't know why RA would carry when hunting mushrooms, but I can guess why my husband might. Mushroom hunting takes you sometimes deep into the woods and there are dangers there including people. I think it's more of a personal protection type thing. Some parts of the country there are some people living in the woods or wooded areas that might be up to illegal activities and if you stumble upon them, it can get dicey.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Am confident that at parts of those phone calls you can hear that RA is indeed bridge guy difference specially the call at 5.20 in this video.

only thing is in the bridge video hes got a of freeze in the voice. feel so sorry for his wife in this as well. more victims unfortunately.

I hear it even more during the call that starts at 14:00. He sounds flat and monotone, as did the BG video, but he also sounds very resolute that he wants KA to understand that he did kill the girls. By this time, his wife has had enough time to absorb the shock. It makes no sense to me that she didn’t ask him why he did it, and a detail that would help confirm. His mother sounds like a carbon copy of his wife. So bizarre.

jmo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I'm not a hunter so I'm not sure the answer to this... Is it normal for people to use a gun while hunting mushrooms? Do they put up much of a fight?


I really would like to know what his life was like the five years in between the murders and the arrest. He had to have been paranoid, living in constant fear, always looking over his shoulder. I would be a wreck. Any random comment made by a stranger may as well have been a plains cloth investigator hot on the trail.

You carry a gun when you go into the woods to hunt mushrooms or whatever for snakes mostly I think. At least where I live.
They would come in handy in other situations and encounters too.

 

[shonyakay]

Am confident that at parts of those phone calls you can hear that RA is indeed bridge guy difference specially the call at 5.20 in this video.

only thing is in the bridge video hes got a of freeze in the voice. feel so sorry for his wife in this as well. more victims unfortunately.

26:49
Richard: But you know that I done it right?
Kathy: Yeah. I don't want to talk about that.


Wow.

 

[INfisherman]

JMO but I don't think she was being gullible. It was posted yesterday and I agree, I think she knew. In the jail calls, she didn't seem mad that he was apologizing because he did it...she seemed mad that he was willing to apologize.

Not necessarily limited to these interviews. She was pretty gullible for 5 whole years, wouldn’t you guess? His picture & video were all over TV, the internet & newspapers here in IN. He gaslit her & she believed him up until the Holeman interview. She caught him lying when she told RA that she told LE he wasn’t on the bridge & then he spun a little tale of yes he did tell her & she apologized to him. So he’s in there being questioned for murder & she’s apologizing to him.

I'm not a hunter so I'm not sure the answer to this... Is it normal for people to use a gun while hunting mushrooms? Do they put up much of a fight?


I really would like to know what his life was like the five years in between the murders and the arrest. He had to have been paranoid, living in constant fear, always looking over his shoulder. I would be a wreck. Any random comment made by a stranger may as well have been a plains cloth investigator hot on the trail.

I’m not a gun owner either but I wouldn’t call it out of the ordinary for people to carry handguns when doing things in the woods and/or forests. Our DNR, after years of trail cam videos being posted online, finally confirmed we have some mountain lions in IN. We once had a large population of black bears prior to the mid-1800s & some do wander into the northern portion of the state just due to their population growing - not an animal to run into when walking in the woods, especially if cubs are present in the spring. There are also bobcats, coyotes & badgers just to name a few of which I’d prefer not to cross unexpectedly. Copperheads & rattlesnakes are also around. A gun may come in handy if one were to run into any of them while traipsing through the woods. It’s not always the activity being done but where it’s being done that might lend to someone carrying a firearm, just to remove all potential risk of an attack or being bitten.

LE kept reporting little to no progress over the years. This likely gave him more confidence that he was going to get away with it. He knew DNA wasn’t going to be much of an issue but he likely never knew the round was missing or imagined it was right near the victims. He was a good liar but dumb in how he chose to open his mouth in 2017 IMO. If I’m a self-centered murderer, I’d have lied to my wife & chose to live with that guilt versus risking prison or execution. Sorry for the deviousness in my thinking, to all.

 

[INfisherman]

I think we have heard about the missteps because it's the only thing the defense could highlight. Interviews were recorded over.. it happens. They then decided that the one recorded over were the most important ones and how could LE do that? Well what about the 100s of other interview now recorded over? It's also possible other tips were misfiled too, not just this one, but we hear about this one because it's about RA. What about the 10,000s that were not misfiled? Nothing is perfect 100% of the time. I know it's the job of the defense to point out these things, but in doing so in this case they also tried to make this about a huge conspiracy to let the "real killers" be free in some LE buddy buddy cult thing and people ran with it. I understand mistakes were made, but so much was done right.

Also I listened to the interviews MS did with many of the LEO involved in this case and it's clear that this case impacted them, they will never be the same. They are not the problem here.. RA is. I wish the world would remember THAT.. even when mistakes are made, it isn't LE that has done these crimes.. it's like some just look for someone to blame other than the criminals doing these horrific acts. Many of those same LEO's said it's what they expect, no worries, they weren't offended, etc. It still stinks that the good guys here can be seen as the bad guys and the bad guy comes out looking like he's the victim. Twisted world sometimes.

The issues with LE were also compounded by FB & conspiracy theorists online IMO, not just the YT content creators but FB groups gossiping on rumors, etc.. Hilljacks with internet & a deep mistrust of LE. Think Ricci Davis types of kinfolk. Wonder if ol’ Reesee Cup is still sitting in New Castle composing letters? He suddenly got really quiet.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

@Vaderman

@justtrish also makes a good point in that confrontations can also occur when hunting private property (mushrooms or animals). Some people will carry loaded weapons to confront trespassers. It’s probably at its worst during shotgun deer hunting season, where hunters often run into one another & one claims to have permission while the other is accused of trespassing. Happened quite often to friends of mine who were hunting on land around my family’s farm. The trespasser was the one lying & doing the confronting. People get crazy when hunting & fishing. The stores I could tell…

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen's Police Interviews and Prison Calls

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[arielilane]

My heart breaks all over again for Abby and Libby. There's been no doubt for me that bridge guy is Richard Allen; however, after viewing the recent videos they confirm (again) what an absolute evil monster he is. I cant imagine the fear those girls experienced yet they still were so brave and able to solve their own case. They give the definition of hero a whole new meaning. So very glad RA is locked up and will never hurt another child ever again!!!

jmo


Abby & Libby

 

[arielilane]

Several things struck me after watching the clip you posted.

1) How could she not have suspected him all these years after seeing him on the bridge, wearing clothes that she's seen him wear over and over and over? And not only that, but HOW they were worn/fit, and then hearing "Guys, down the hill"?

2) His wife didn't appear to be in total denial about him being BG due to all the questions she was asking him about "How did your bullet get there?". She knows it didn't just transport itself, or that someone somehow got a bullet from his gun that he didn't allow anyone else to use. Yet there it was. I kind of expected her to be in denial after listening to their phone convo and her saying things like "No you didn’t. You know you didn’t." every time he'd say he did it.

3) When they stood up for her to leave and he hugged her goodbye (I worded it that way purposely, and not "they hugged") because had he not grabbed her for a hug, I don't think she would have given him one from seeing how her arm just hung limp at her side. She is most definitely not in denial like she appeared to before his arrest.

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4) I'm going to venture a guess that she might not have kissed him goodbye due to how that went down. He leaned in for it, his arms around her waist. She's just standing straight, arm still limp at her side. That was a one-sided kiss IMO.

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@Gemmie, this is not directed toward you.

She should have made that call. jmo

I am so disgusted about Richard Allen (like we all are) and what he did to Abby and Libby. jmo

 

[Tapeartree]

My heart breaks all over again for Abby and Libby. There's been no doubt for me that bridge guy is Richard Allen; however, after viewing the recent videos they confirm (again) what an absolute evil monster he is. I cant imagine the fear those girls experienced yet they still were so brave and able to solve their own case. They give the definition of hero a whole new meaning. So very glad RA is locked up and will never hurt another child ever again!!!

jmo


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It's heartbreaking to hear their voices during the full 43 second bridge video. It really hits hard how young they sounded. It's apparent they sensed something off with this creepy man following behind them. I wish they would have just kep running in any direction away from him

 

[Megnut]

I have a feeling that Libby had nearly convinced RA to let Abby go.

But also managed to pass the phone to Abby without RA seeing it.

The same remarkable level head that sparked her to record RA as he approached may well have, despite the terror, may have tried to find a way for them to survive him.

We'll never know because he'll never say, but Abby was redressed so IMO it's not impossible that he was thinking about letting her go (also possible he was only letting them think that but intended to murder them both, period).

It makes me sad to think about those little girls went through... I don't want to lose sight of those 18 minutes or so, where they were forced into captivity by RA. A gun trumps wide open space. Who among us would run if it meant another was guaranteed dead? I think they were trying hard to find a way to survive, and came close, and I want to honor that effort -- IMO the evidence supports it. (Abby being dressed, Abby wearing Libby's pants, Abby having the phone.)

And all of it only makes RA that much worse.

Horrible selfish sniveling human barely.

JMO

 

[Mirabel091]

RA claimed they watched Dateline which is full of other monsters. I was implying they were selfish in that they lacked empathy for the victims’ families who did lose daughters. I probably could’ve been more clear in my post. It was bad enough he was an animal towards young girls having raised a daughter himself.

MOO

Yes, I got your implication.

I think if he had been capable of showing empathy, one parent to another, he never would have approached the girls in the first place. MOO also.