GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[steeltowngirl]

26:49
Richard: But you know that I done it right?
Kathy: Yeah. I don't want to talk about that.


Wow.

She could have said, I love you. I'm worried that you're not well. But I'm listening. Please help me understand that you're telling me the truth. Tell me exactly what happened.

 

[INfisherman]

She could have said, I love you. I'm worried that you're not well. But I'm listening. Please help me understand that you're telling me the truth. Tell me exactly what happened.

She knew the truth IMO. Maybe not the whole story but she knew. Both were more interested in moving on with their lives, just like they’ve done every other time RA messed up.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

Maybe it's KA's lifetime of codependency and poor treatment by RA. Deep inside her soul, I believe she def knew it was him after the first interview.

JMO

Yes as you would seriously ask yourself why he lied about not being on the bridge. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out he lied because he was guilty and he knew she would be suspicious.

IMO

 

[New Penny]

Well, we know what she does from the jail house conversations. At this stage she'll likely she’ll be shocked and doesn’t know what to do. Her world is crumbling around her.



She obviously believes he is innocent later on once she processes it all.

Or at least she has been convinced by others and felt shame for not falling in line. But the impression I got from these videos is that deep down in her soul she knows he did it but just can’t bring herself to say it out loud.

 

[New Penny]

I hear it even more during the call that starts at 14:00. He sounds flat and monotone, as did the BG video, but he also sounds very resolute that he wants KA to understand that he did kill the girls. By this time, his wife has had enough time to absorb the shock. It makes no sense to me that she didn’t ask him why he did it, and a detail that would help confirm. His mother sounds like a carbon copy of his wife. So bizarre.

jmo

They both at this time have been instructed and rehearsed by the powers that be.

 

[ClearAhead]

"If that picture was taken by her, then that's not me...."

what an odd way to answer.

I’ve often wondered if RA admitted to his wife it was him in the released photo, but supporting the belief of a portion of public opinion that the source was a trail cam. LE weren’t being truthful and were falsely claiming it was taken from Libby’s cellphone. RA never felt the need to come forward as he’d already told DD he was at the trails. If LE couldn’t get it straight, not his problem.

So yes that photo could’ve been him ‘unless it was taken by her’ since he told his wife he was never on the bridge, the pic was from a trail cam. He was following the storyline in an attempt to reaffirm it for the sake of his wife’s belief in his innocence.
JMO

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In the past year, investigators have released a trail cam photo and composite sketch of the primary suspect, as well as a related voice recording (which Libby heroically captured on her cell phone), and have investigated various possible suspects with no arrests. We also know that multiple DNA sampleshave been recovered from the scene. With no suspect yet in custody despite the seemingly large volume of evidence, it’s tempting to say the case has gone cold.

 

[snarast]

The creek. He may have forced them to wash off any DNA.

He was alone with two little girls, in various stages of forced undress for many minutes where little (phone) movement was registered.

He didn't want to be linked to the murders but IMO he didn't want to be an SAer of little girls. He even said he thought they were older. Bit notice, he didn't let them go. He forced them to undress. Even if he didn't assault them further, that is SA. We don't know if HE undressed or exposed himself. We don't know if he completed any sexual acts on or near them, and he's NEVER going to confess THAT.

Maybe it's their feet he forced them to wash.

Maybe that's why he was so confident.

Nasty.

JMO

It’s the stabbing itself that might lead to him bleeding - by the knife slipping.

So he might have left his blood on the girls or on the surroundings at the location of the presumably frenzied stabbing.

Anyway that wasn’t found so I guess he got lucky. 100+ years lucky.

IMHOO

 

[Boxer]

I agree!

I think a lot of officers did a lot of hard work and they did a lot of things right. We still don't know how the tip was mislabeled. It could have been an innocent mistake and let's face it, without RA coming forward or someone saying hey that is RA, it may not have been solved ever. That isn't the fault of LE. They can't magically know who a perp is and they can't go around interrogating every person they think looks like BG. They needed a tip and it happens that the one they got was misfiled. I wouldn't say that means a lot was messed up. I'd say we will never know the hours and hours of work that was done on this case and most all of that was done right. These LEO's lived this case for years and many of them are still likely impacted by it. They then were made to all look like incompetent jerks that were just covering for the real killer.

It's unfortunate that someone can commit a crime in an area without cameras and get away with it, but it happens. LE can't know what they don't know. DNA isn't there, then they can't just wish it was so.

He committed a crime in an area that nobody was likely to see him, he only passed a few people on the trail and none of them knew him or who he was and they didn't even know they needed to remember what he looked like.. it was an average day for everyone out there except for him.. he is the only one that knew what his evil plan was.. everyone else was just enjoying a nice day outside. He didn't leave DNA behind and we don't know what phone he had or if he even had one that day so nothing could lead police to him unless he or someone he knew came forward.

I do wonder if the heat was on him from day 1, then would he have gotten rid of evidence? Instead he kept it and he gained confidence as the days/weeks/months went on. He was bold to keep that gun, he even had a keepsake bullet in his little box. I don't know if he would have kept that.. he also kept the car, but what he did do was get rid of the phone he said he had. Interesting.. so some things actually helped with the passing of time. I think that time is also what lead him to come in to talk to LE in Oct. of 22. He wasn't too worried about it because it had been 5 years.. he was going to be helpful.

So maybe this case played out exactly as it should have in order to get the conviction so he could be put where he belongs.

maybe, but also Robert Ives the District Attorney at the time said an old fashioned investigation would solve the crime within a few weeks.
He was presciently right. Had all in person interviews sheets been reviewed as written by the detective team they would have been able to solve in a timely manner.

 

[INfisherman]

I’ve often wondered if RA admitted to his wife it was him in the released photo, but supporting the belief of a portion of public opinion that the source was a trail cam. LE weren’t being truthful and were falsely claiming it was taken from Libby’s cellphone. RA never felt the need to come forward as he’d already told DD he was at the trails. If LE couldn’t get it straight, not his problem.

So yes that photo could’ve been him ‘unless it was taken by her’ since he told his wife he was never on the bridge, the pic was from a trail cam. He was following the storyline in an attempt to reaffirm it for the sake of his wife’s belief in his innocence.
JMO

Don't Call it Cold: The Delphi Murders

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In the past year, investigators have released a trail cam photo and composite sketch of the primary suspect, as well as a related voice recording (which Libby heroically captured on her cell phone), and have investigated various possible suspects with no arrests. We also know that multiple DNA sampleshave been recovered from the scene. With no suspect yet in custody despite the seemingly large volume of evidence, it’s tempting to say the case has gone cold.

Respectfully, I believe the article you linked is incorrect concerning the image & its source. The image clearly shows a man on the bridge.

By 22FEB17, the ISP held a press conference, revealing the image was taken from LG’s phone, as outlined in the local Delphi newspaper which was written that same day in 2017 as outlined by the editor’s note:

Editor’s Note: The following article was posted to the Comet’s website Feb. 22 following that day’s press conference to release new information in the homicide investigation of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

[snip]

Law enforcement officers from the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Delphi City Police, the Indiana State Police (ISP) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) held a Wednesday morning (Feb. 22) press conference to release new information about the double homicide which took the lives of Liberty German and Abigail Williams on Feb. 13. Liberty was called “a hero” for activating her cell phone’s video and audio recorders, which not only captured a picture of the main suspect but also recorded what is believed to be a perpetrator saying, “down the hill.”

ISP – ‘Someone knows who this individual is.’ - Carroll County Comet

Editor’s Note: The following article was posted to the Comet’s website Feb. 22 following that day’s press conference to release new information in the homicide investigation of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. Law enforcement officers from the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Delphi City...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

ETA Locally, those following the case knew from where the image originated & had heard the DTH audio. LE around here doesn’t lie to the public when asking for help as such, from what I’ve observed.

 

[ClearAhead]

Respectfully, I believe the article you linked is incorrect concerning the image & its source. The image clearly shows a man on the bridge.

By 22FEB17, the ISP held a press conference, revealing the image was taken from LG’s phone, as outlined in the local Delphi newspaper which was written that same day in 2017 as outlined by the editor’s note:

Editor’s Note: The following article was posted to the Comet’s website Feb. 22 following that day’s press conference to release new information in the homicide investigation of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

[snip]

Law enforcement officers from the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Delphi City Police, the Indiana State Police (ISP) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) held a Wednesday morning (Feb. 22) press conference to release new information about the double homicide which took the lives of Liberty German and Abigail Williams on Feb. 13. Liberty was called “a hero” for activating her cell phone’s video and audio recorders, which not only captured a picture of the main suspect but also recorded what is believed to be a perpetrator saying, “down the hill.”

ISP – ‘Someone knows who this individual is.’ - Carroll County Comet

Editor’s Note: The following article was posted to the Comet’s website Feb. 22 following that day’s press conference to release new information in the homicide investigation of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. Law enforcement officers from the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Delphi City...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

ETA Locally, those following the case knew from where the image originated & had heard the DTH audio. LE around here doesn’t lie to the public when asking for help as such, from what I’ve observed.

Agreed and I didn’t intend to insinuate I ever thought the photo or video was sourced from a trail cam. However it would’ve suited RA’s explanation to his wife especially if she recognized him and it also would explain his unusual comment that the photo couldn’t be him if it was taken by Libby.

But I’ll admit where that theory falls flat is the photo is obviously taken on the bridge.

 

[Megnut]

Doesn't this make it sound like his whole explanation to his wife was "that's not me because I never went on the bridge" and she accepted that????? He went to MHB that day, but he's not the guy on the bridge who looks, walks, dresses just like him because he stopped short of the bridge?

But he did go talk to LE (DD) so maybe she took that as confirmation that LE believed him so....

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Agreed and I didn’t intend to insinuate I ever thought the photo or video was sourced from a trail cam. However it would’ve suited RA’s explanation to his wife especially if she recognized him and it also would explain his unusual comment that the photo couldn’t be him if it was taken by Libby.

But I’ll admit where that theory falls flat is the photo is obviously taken on the bridge.

My deepest apologies, as I went back after posting & re-read your post & got what you were speculating. I just left it & figured we’d discuss later if necessary. Please, no hard feelings. I didn’t intend to fact check you personally as much as the incorrect info in an article dated a year after the presser in 2017.

Just jumping off of your thoughts about how he managed her…the image & video were never brushed off - LE maintained over the years that they wanted to ID & speak to BG. He had to lie to her about it somehow to keep her off his back. He likely told her it wasn’t him & said he talked it out with LE & they agreed it wasn’t RA because he told her he never went out on the bridge - she was still thinking that was the case in the 26OCT22 interview with Holeman. He got caught in that lie right there on camera, regardless of when he said it to her.

Lots of little details which will probably not be answered unless one of those 2 speak to it, and that doesn’t seem likely in the near future.

 

[Boxer]

Doesn't this make it sound like his whole explanation to his wife was "that's not me because I never went on the bridge" and she accepted that????? He went to MHB that day, but he's not the guy on the bridge who looks, walks, dresses just like him because he stopped short of the bridge?

But he did go talk to LE (DD) so maybe she took that as confirmation that LE believed him so....

JMO

It is a wonder no one ever tipped him in simply for being short.

 

[INfisherman]

Doesn't this make it sound like his whole explanation to his wife was "that's not me because I never went on the bridge" and she accepted that????? He went to MHB that day, but he's not the guy on the bridge who looks, walks, dresses just like him because he stopped short of the bridge?

But he did go talk to LE (DD) so maybe she took that as confirmation that LE believed him so....

JMO

Meg, I can’t think of any other way he could have handled it, especially after watching that 2nd interview. He kept her out of contact with LE so that he was the provider of what happened with LE.

Maybe she asked & he just didn’t answer & told her I love you, just like he did in that interview room. He doesn’t seem to mind repeating the same crap over & over then switching to gaslight mode, batting eyelashes & all with her.

MOO

 

[BexLuth0r]

It is a wonder no one ever tipped him in simply for being short.

I wonder if it is because they never released the video with Abby in for reference/size. So many people argued that he was tall because there was nothing you could see that confirmed his size. In my opinion, I always thought he was pretty short but others believed he was tall.

One thing that really intrigues me about the interview is LE are literally giving him an out every time they ask if he loaned his gun out to anyone else or if someone else could have taken his gun. He could have easily lied and said yes. He just doesn't though. I really don't understand that. Unless he is just trying to see what LE have on him and by that point, it is too late.

 

[Boxer]

I wonder if it is because they never released the video with Abby in for reference/size. So many people argued that he was tall because there was nothing you could see that confirmed his size. In my opinion, I always thought he was pretty short but others believed he was tall.

One thing that really intrigues me about the interview is LE are literally giving him an out every time they ask if he loaned his gun out to anyone else or if someone else could have taken his gun. He could have easily lied and said yes. He just doesn't though. I really don't understand that. Unless he is just trying to see what LE have on him and by that point, it is too late.

The height of the original fbi poster was for a short man, MOO the second guessing mounted over time.

Staying engaged – ‘We want this guy caught!’ - Carroll County Comet

The families of Abby Williams and Libby German have decided not to sit back and do nothing while local police agencies, the Indiana State Police (ISP) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigate the deaths of the two girls, which occurred Feb. 13, 2017. The families say they can...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[Salah11]

I wonder if it is because they never released the video with Abby in for reference/size. So many people argued that he was tall because there was nothing you could see that confirmed his size. In my opinion, I always thought he was pretty short but others believed he was tall.

One thing that really intrigues me about the interview is LE are literally giving him an out every time they ask if he loaned his gun out to anyone else or if someone else could have taken his gun. He could have easily lied and said yes. He just doesn't though. I really don't understand that. Unless he is just trying to see what LE have on him and by that point, it is too late.

What’s the point in lying about loaning out his gun when it will simply be checked and then proven it’s false?



He knew when LE turned up at his house his goose was cooked. In one of the interviews he says this isn’t going away.

 

[mrjitty]

It is a wonder no one ever tipped him in simply for being short.

I think this is because he never told anyone except Dan Dulin he was there.

 

[FromGermany1]

I have a feeling that Libby had nearly convinced RA to let Abby go.

But also managed to pass the phone to Abby without RA seeing it.

The same remarkable level head that sparked her to record RA as he approached may well have, despite the terror, may have tried to find a way for them to survive him.

We'll never know because he'll never say, but Abby was redressed so IMO it's not impossible that he was thinking about letting her go (also possible he was only letting them think that but intended to murder them both, period).

It makes me sad to think about those little girls went through... I don't want to lose sight of those 18 minutes or so, where they were forced into captivity by RA. A gun trumps wide open space. Who among us would run if it meant another was guaranteed dead? I think they were trying hard to find a way to survive, and came close, and I want to honor that effort -- IMO the evidence supports it. (Abby being dressed, Abby wearing Libby's pants, Abby having the phone.)

And all of it only makes RA that much worse.

Horrible selfish sniveling human barely.

JMO

During the interrogation video I heard a sentence from RA, where he named LIBBY, but didn't name Abby although speaking about them both. Which theme it was exactly, I have forgotten now. My impulsive impression was: KA and RA knew Libby, but Abby's name wasn't as familiar to them.

That struck me.

 

[FromGermany1]

She knew the truth IMO. Maybe not the whole story but she knew. Both were more interested in moving on with their lives, just like they’ve done every other time RA messed up.

JMO

I had the impression during looking at the video, that a conversation between the spouses about unspeakable things wasn't the first time in their 25 years together. How many times had it happened, that she correctly suspected, he might have done something bad, and he was always able to reassure her? So she trusted, that this time, too, everything would turn out well: he hadn't committed any crime, and the police would let him go. It probably happened the same way several times, though without police interrogation. Abby and Libby wasn't his first "rodeo", I am convinced. But it was the first time, he got caught at the end, and his wife was really shocked. MOO