GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Teche]

DBM

 

[Willow Knight]

The cat toy looks out of place and creepy in this workspace. I wonder its significance.

RSBM

That was one of the first thing I noticed! Why did I get such a creepy chill when I saw that? Strong believer in intuition here.

He is the definition of evil.

 

[Willow Knight]

NOT the jacket from the bridge/BG, I think. But I'm not the first to say it here, I know.

IMO the jacket killer wore on that day ended up in a burn pit.

 

[somequestions]

IMO the jacket killer wore on that day ended up in a burn pit.

I think you are probably right. The blue jacket worn by bridge guy Richard Allen in Liberty German's phone video was held together with snaps, not a zipper so I think that blue jacket was thrown away.

This case should have been solved within days after the Richard Allen tip to DD. Even DD knew the sighting of the three girls on the trail by Richard Allen was important early on in the case as he wrote about it in his notes.

For example, police found and photographed an unspent cartridge between the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. LE admits testing other firearms to see if they matched because how many men live near or admit to being at the Monon High Bridge during the time of the crime could have also had a gun? If DD or anyone from LE had asked Richard Allen if he had a gun, I think Richard Allen would have given it to police to test (because the actual murders were committed with a box cutter and Richard Allen would not have realized an unspent cartridge fell on the ground near the bodies even if he had a gun with him).

If the Richard Allen tip had not been cleared, this case may have been solved a lot sooner. I think it was because this case was so simple, but over the years it appeared much more complicated.

 

[snowleopard]

I haven't been following the case on here, but have in media, so please forgive this being a little untimely, but does anyone have a problem with RA doing this crime in his forties and having no criminal history? I'd say if he is guilty (I think so), he's got to have some priors, caught or not. I wonder what and where........?

 

[Yemelyan]

I haven't been following the case on here, but have in media, so please forgive this being a little untimely, but does anyone have a problem with RA doing this crime in his forties and having no criminal history? I'd say if he is guilty (I think so), he's got to have some priors, caught or not. I wonder what and where........?

It's definitely out of the norm to be that age and first time offending (as you say, it could be that he did offend and it has not been tied to him/known). However, before arresting Allen, the investigators in the Delphi case looked into two other older men, one aged 55: Sheriff: Delphi murder investigators requested Etter autopsy results, DNA

And one aged 46: Randolph Co. sexual abuse suspect draws comparisons to Delphi murderer

Who, at the time they were looked at for the Delphi murders, were, I believe, also first time offenders (or so they were thought to be based on criminal records -- their crimes that brought them to the attention of law enforcement occurred after the Delphi murders). And these older offenders were also in Indiana, one quite local.

 

[Megnut]

RSBM

That was one of the first thing I noticed! Why did I get such a creepy chill when I saw that? Strong believer in intuition here.

He is the definition of evil.

I hope that stuffed cat was unstuffed to see what it was stuffed with.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

I haven't been following the case on here, but have in media, so please forgive this being a little untimely, but does anyone have a problem with RA doing this crime in his forties and having no criminal history? I'd say if he is guilty (I think so), he's got to have some priors, caught or not. I wonder what and where........?

Mid-life crisis? Male menopause? Seems RA’s life was quite mundane albeit fuelled by alcohol (no mistake it’s referred to as liquid courage), so perhaps the passing years created an urgency to act out his fantasy? The opportunity arrived but we don’t know how long he watched and waited before pouncing into action.
JMO

BBM

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[INfisherman]

Mid-life crisis? Male menopause? Seems RA’s life was quite mundane albeit fuelled by alcohol (no mistake it’s referred to as liquid courage), so perhaps the passing years created an urgency to act out his fantasy? The opportunity arrived but we don’t know how long he watched and waited before pouncing into action.
JMO

BBM

What Are the Signs of a Male Midlife Crisis?

Sports cars and hairpieces. You know the clichés. But what are other warning signs of a male midlife crisis? Here’s how to recognize one and how to cope.

www.medicinenet.com

Signs that point towards male midlife crisis include:

• Feelings of dissatisfaction with career, marriage, or health
• Feeling the pressing need to make major changes in life because time is short
• Loss of stamina
• Restlessness about changes in appearance
• Making unusual choices, such as starting an affair or a sudden desire for excitement or thrilling experiences

His daughter was getting married in 2017 as well.

 

[FromGermany1]

His daughter was getting married in 2017 as well.

I remember a pic, where RA had his son-in-law on his thigh and was in a very good mood.

If RA's daughter married already in 2017, Idk.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think you are probably right. The blue jacket worn by bridge guy Richard Allen in Liberty German's phone video was held together with snaps, not a zipper so I think that blue jacket was thrown away.

This case should have been solved within days after the Richard Allen tip to DD. Even DD knew the sighting of the three girls on the trail by Richard Allen was important early on in the case as he wrote about it in his notes.

For example, police found and photographed an unspent cartridge between the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. LE admits testing other firearms to see if they matched because how many men live near or admit to being at the Monon High Bridge during the time of the crime could have also had a gun? If DD or anyone from LE had asked Richard Allen if he had a gun, I think Richard Allen would have given it to police to test (because the actual murders were committed with a box cutter and Richard Allen would not have realized an unspent cartridge fell on the ground near the bodies even if he had a gun with him).

If the Richard Allen tip had not been cleared, this case may have been solved a lot sooner. I think it was because this case was so simple, but over the years it appeared much more complicated.

Agree, the lost and 'cleared' tip on RA cost 5 1/2 years of pain and misery. That was a huge mistake on LE/FBI's part regardless of how overwhelmed and unorganized they were in the beginning. It's shocking that local LE, ISP and the FBI didn't run across it sooner. An unusually short guy, self-admitted on the trails at the same time, resembling BG video and his clothing, driving a car seen on surveillance by HHS and parked backed in at the furthest end of the building like RA's?

I have been the 'RA=BG=Killer' from the time RA was arrested, and I have absolutely zero doubt about his guilt. I am however disappointed in how that tip was mishandled, and the unnecessary time, grief, and tax payer $$$'s that were spent. If properly handled, it could have resulted in RA's arrest in days or weeks...not years. From the time it was found by K. Shank in Sept 2022 to RA's arrest in Oct. 2022 was just weeks.

I know mistakes happen, people are human...errors get made, but man, that was one colossal screw up for the record books.

This in no way takes away from the horror of what RA did to Abby and Libby that day. I just hate the fact that he got 5 1/2 years of freedom he was not entitled to.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Kind of interesting LE didn’t ask him in 2022 why he didn’t come forward again after DC specifically asked for anyone who had parked at the CPS building to please come forward & speak with LE at one of the pressers after 2017.

JMO

 

[Willow Knight]

This is where I truly struggle. Wouldn't there be a wall or a place where all the people that were on the trails and bridge that day placed? How did little man get missed? With any tip stating they were in the area, he should have been included. IMO

I can understand an improperly filed tip, sort of. However one would think from the very first day everyone near the crime scene and trails that day would be documented. The day DD handed in the tip, why did little man killer not go on the wall THAT day? The very day the tip was handed in. Hope this is being worded correctly.

I believe all the others that were there that day were listed, not because they were a suspect, simply to put the events in order. Go back and ask questions. Even the woman simply driving past was documented. Why not a person that states they were there?

So many in law enforcement gave their whole to solve this case, I respect that. Just can't come up with a reason the group of girls, BB, SC were recorded and not it/him.

I can only speculate killer allen's file went "missing" quickly. To be clear there is no doubt that evil little killer murdered Abby and Libby. I, personally, am not certain the little killer didn't have prior knowledge of Libby and her whereabouts. He was in Peru that morning, skipped lunch with mother, grabbed a few bears, went home and got his kill kit.

 

[Megnut]

This is where I truly struggle. Wouldn't there be a wall or a place where all the people that were on the trails and bridge that day placed? How did little man get missed? With any tip stating they were in the area, he should have been included. IMO

I can understand an improperly filed tip, sort of. However one would think from the very first day everyone near the crime scene and trails that day would be documented. The day DD handed in the tip, why did little man killer not go on the wall THAT day? The very day the tip was handed in. Hope this is being worded correctly.

I believe all the others that were there that day were listed, not because they were a suspect, simply to put the events in order. Go back and ask questions. Even the woman simply driving past was documented. Why not a person that states they were there?

So many in law enforcement gave their whole to solve this case, I respect that. Just can't come up with a reason the group of girls, BB, SC were recorded and not it/him.

I can only speculate killer allen's file went "missing" quickly. To be clear there is no doubt that evil little killer murdered Abby and Libby. I, personally, am not certain the little killer didn't have prior knowledge of Libby and her whereabouts. He was in Peru that morning, skipped lunch with mother, grabbed a few bears, went home and got his kill kit.

I think it got lost because they didn't yet have a centralized system. DD was an extra body, I'm sure Delphi PD was just spread too thin. DD should have had to report each of his interviews directly to center command, not as a paper memo, but in paper and in person. By Day 2, I'm guessing they got organized but RA was missed in the changeover. Didn't meet at the PD, didn't get audio recorded AT PD, met up with DD on the fly (RA, so polite reasonable accommodating helpful -- except he was keeping LE/DD from coming to his house, where Kathy was, and neighbors, steering clear of the PD), and he told enough truths to sound credible. Tip likely seemed low value, as he hasn't seen the girls, and the focus was on piecing together the girls' timeline and who saw them. RA said he didn't see them. It's almost like he got cleared simultaneously, as if the only question was whether the interviewee saw or didn't see the girls. He (said he) didn't see them. Cleared. No follow up questions.

It's like no one had briefed DD to BOLO for a perp inserting himself into the investigation.

He should have been a key witness like BB, SC and the juveniles simply by virtue of timing. Wish DD had given RA a park map. RA would probably have lied but it would sure have been interesting to see what paths he would have marked up.

5 years of freedom he didn't deserve but he's locked up now and he's going to stay that way. Good riddance.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Kind of interesting LE didn’t ask him in 2022 why he didn’t come forward again after DC specifically asked for anyone who had parked at the CPS building to please come forward & speak with LE at one of the pressers after 2017.

JMO

I assume it was because RA was being evasive about everything.

Imo he didn't want to tie himself down to anything because he forgot what all he told Dan Dulin on February 18, 2017. He even said at one point that he wasn't sure about something and he'd have to look at what he told him (Dulin) back then.

He discussed wanting to look at his stocks that day, saying that is why he left so early because he wanted to go home and look at the stocks on his computer.

He didn't remember he told Dan Dulin that he had his phone that day. He only said he must have had it after he was allowed to read Dulin's narrative about him watching a stock ticker on his phone on the trail that day. However, we all know he didn't really have his phone that day.

He was saying he could have parked by a little bridge but went on to admit that he could have parked by the building that used to be there that had a trail that lead to the Freedom Bridge trail head. That perfectly describes the old CPS building. Then he went back and mentioned that little bridge again.

He said he could have wore a blue or black jacket but said he probably wore a black one. He knew he/"Bridge Guy" was wearing a blue jacket.

He said the car he was driving could have been his Ford Focus or Ford 500, but he probably was driving the Ford 500 and his wife was probably driving the Ford Focus. He knew he drove the Ford Focus that day. He remembered the type of cars parked at the Mears' entrance and that three of the girls' he saw just East of the Freedom Bridge looked like sisters.

 

[shonyakay]

This is where I truly struggle. Wouldn't there be a wall or a place where all the people that were on the trails and bridge that day placed? How did little man get missed? With any tip stating they were in the area, he should have been included. IMO

I can understand an improperly filed tip, sort of. However one would think from the very first day everyone near the crime scene and trails that day would be documented. The day DD handed in the tip, why did little man killer not go on the wall THAT day? The very day the tip was handed in. Hope this is being worded correctly.

I believe all the others that were there that day were listed, not because they were a suspect, simply to put the events in order. Go back and ask questions. Even the woman simply driving past was documented. Why not a person that states they were there?

So many in law enforcement gave their whole to solve this case, I respect that. Just can't come up with a reason the group of girls, BB, SC were recorded and not it/him.

I can only speculate killer allen's file went "missing" quickly. To be clear there is no doubt that evil little killer murdered Abby and Libby. I, personally, am not certain the little killer didn't have prior knowledge of Libby and her whereabouts. He was in Peru that morning, skipped lunch with mother, grabbed a few bears, went home and got his kill kit.

I think someone mentioned here that the RA tip could have been "cleared" because Dan Dulin asked a question at the bottom of the tip narrative asking about who the girls' were that were seen by the Freedom Bridge.

Once LE figured out who the girls' were (BW, RV, AS) very shortly after the crime the tip could have been labeled "cleared" because that question had been answered. This makes sense it is just so tragic that RA got overlooked in the tip.

 

[Megnut]

He also knew there was NO WAY a bullet from his gun was there... bc IMO he knew he never fired one. But no one else knew the girls cause/manner of death yet. So he actually revealed intimate knowledge of the crime.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

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This is where I truly struggle. Wouldn't there be a wall or a place where all the people that were on the trails and bridge that day placed? How did little man get missed? With any tip stating they were in the area, he should have been included. IMO

I can understand an improperly filed tip, sort of. However one would think from the very first day everyone near the crime scene and trails that day would be documented. The day DD handed in the tip, why did little man killer not go on the wall THAT day? The very day the tip was handed in. Hope this is being worded correctly.

I believe all the others that were there that day were listed, not because they were a suspect, simply to put the events in order. Go back and ask questions. Even the woman simply driving past was documented. Why not a person that states they were there?

So many in law enforcement gave their whole to solve this case, I respect that. Just can't come up with a reason the group of girls, BB, SC were recorded and not it/him.

I can only speculate killer allen's file went "missing" quickly. To be clear there is no doubt that evil little killer murdered Abby and Libby. I, personally, am not certain the little killer didn't have prior knowledge of Libby and her whereabouts. He was in Peru that morning, skipped lunch with mother, grabbed a few bears, went home and got his kill kit.

Unfortunately, any trace of that is gone with the phone.

 

[INfisherman]

I assume it was because RA was being evasive about everything.

Imo he didn't want to tie himself down to anything because he forgot what all he told Dan Dulin on February 18, 2017. He even said at one point that he wasn't sure about something and he'd have to look at what he told him (Dulin) back then.

He discussed wanting to look at his stocks that day, saying that is why he left so early because he wanted to go home and look at the stocks on his computer.

He didn't remember he told Dan Dulin that he had his phone that day. He only said he must have had it after he was allowed to read Dulin's narrative about him watching a stock ticker on his phone on the trail that day. However, we all know he didn't really have his phone that day.

He was saying he could have parked by a little bridge but went on to admit that he could have parked by the building that used to be there that had a trail that lead to the Freedom Bridge trail head. That perfectly describes the old CPS building. Then he went back and mentioned that little bridge again.

He said he could have wore a blue or black jacket but said he probably wore a black one. He knew he/"Bridge Guy" was wearing a blue jacket.

He said the car he was driving could have been his Ford Focus or Ford 500, but he probably was driving the Ford 500 and his wife was probably driving the Ford Focus. He knew he drove the Ford Focus that day. He remembered the type of cars parked at the Mears' entrance and that three of the girls' he saw just East of the Freedom Bridge looked like sisters.

He told them he parked at that building. That was one of the few things about which he was not evasive in 2022. It was a chance for LE to put him on the spot during that 2022 interview - he was a local who more than likely was hearing updates, press conferences, etc. through the years. "Rick, if you’re innocent, why didn’t you come forward again in 2019 (or whenever it was DC mentioned the car at CPS) when we asked for the driver of the car parked there to come forward? Did you not follow the press conferences/updates?" Mullin didn’t say anything - it’s what I’d see more as a strategic question to ask & gage his response & body language & see if it didn’t cause him to trip up or catch him in a lie later. Sort of how they asked him what time he was there 3-4 different times over the years - the response to that question changed. Easy to see how they messed things up, IMO.

It just seemed odd to me that they didn’t touch on it. They were going to start unloading on him later anyway, why not bring it up? They also didn’t ask him why he remembered the group of girls so vividly.

Not trying to debate with you, just clarifying my "thinking out loud" sort of comment earlier.

 

[INfisherman]

I, personally, am not certain the little killer didn't have prior knowledge of Libby and her whereabouts. He was in Peru that morning, skipped lunch with mother, grabbed a few bears, went home and got his kill kit.

RSBM

I’d like to know where he bought the beers & if there was any security camera footage of him doing so. That’s his story & wasn’t necessarily validated by LE, that we know. What if he had someone else with him or came from an odd route from his mother’s to the liquor store? That might have opened doors to the involvement of other potential actors. Unfortunately that also may have opened other doors for the clowns as well. I know there’s no other solid evidence of it, but I tend to also lean towards he knew they were going to be there somehow, as you seem to do as well.

Regardless, they did at least get the one who stole their lives.

JMO