GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Megnut]

It is SICK that they want to appeal the verdict based on BW. Remember that subpoena, slapped down at trial? He was in the stand, they cutoff have questioned him all they liked.

BW does not exonerate RA. RA confirms BW.

Just like RA confirmed don't the juveniles which stuck a pin in the timeline, corroborated by the girls, RA stuck a pin in the timeline with BW. RA was there when BW arrived, whichever minute that was.

RA didn't leave at 1:30. Didn't leave at 2:15. By his own admission, he was somewhere down the hill when BW drove by around 2:30 +/-. How could he possibly have known that unless he was there?

Sticks in BW's garage (or was it his parents'?) -- BW has something RA doesn't have. An alibi. For before and after, and thanks to RA, during. He was driving in his van.

RA exonerated BW.

And convicted himself.

JMO

 

[rebelchild]

https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murders-trial-cost-taxpayers-2-5-million-and-counting/

 

[tlcya]

From @rebelchild 's link

The report shows Allen’s defense has cost taxpayers $1,297,327.77. About half of that expense was for his three defense attorneys who were paid nearly $620k.

Lead attorney Andrew Baldwin and his firm, Baldwin, Perry and Wiley, have been paid the most with the county shelling out nearly $343k.


Attorney Brad Rozzi and his firm, Hillis, Hillis, Rozzi & Dean, have been paid a little over $200k while attorney Jennifer Auger has received nearly $120k.

The defense team also spent just over $107k on expert witnesses which included a firearms expert, a clinical psychologist and an expert on solitary confinement.
https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murders-trial-cost-taxpayers-2-5-million-and-counting/

 

[flashy09]

Deleted by me because it was an article about gas station footage related to KK, not RA!

 

[girlhasnoname]

From @rebelchild 's link

Wonder if the Defense will ever say where the $40K+ gimme money was spent on? Seems the State reimbursed their expert witnesses that testified?

JMO

 

[snarast]

That Abby was redressed tells me some things...

And that she was dressed in some of Libby's clothing tells me more.

It was a sexually motivated crime. Against little girls.

Why was Abby wearing Libby's clothes?

We don't know what happened between 2:14 and 2:32.... and that's because the victims/witnesses are dead, RA isn't talking, and IMO the evidence was collected by the creek.

What I can imagine though is the girls pleading for their lives, complying, promising not to tell, etc.

And I can imagine Libby convincing RA to let Abby go. The younger girl. And I can see Libby telegraphing to Abby to take Libby's pants. WITH THE PHONE. Outsmarting RA by a mile.

Bravery, courage, wits. Knowing she'll be left naked without pants but also counting on Abby getting away and calling for help...

But RA is one sick demented soul. Who didn't want to be caught and a live witness was a liability that he just wasn't going to risk.

With Abby fatally injured, Libby knew he was going to kill her, the fear those little girls felt is beyond comprehension.

Just how exactly the timing of BW's van factors into that, we can't really know because relying on RA for 100% accuracy isn't wise. He lies.

He incriminated himself no matter how you look at it. When BW drove home, whether it was at 2:28 or 2:44, RA confirms that he was down below the MHB.

Damning.

JMO

How absolutely petrifying.

I find it strange with the clothes switching in that short amount of time. But then RA is strange and full of contradictions, as those jail videos so vividly display.

That two little girls lost their lives because RA wanted to see them naked is among the saddest things I’ve ever heard.

 

[Megnut]

How absolutely petrifying.

I find it strange with the clothes switching in that short amount of time. But then RA is strange and full of contradictions, as those jail videos so vividly display.

That two little girls lost their lives because RA wanted to see them naked is among the saddest things I’ve ever heard.

And forced them across a freezing creek barefooted.... I cannot discount a perverse fetish.... one that would account for SA with no DNA...

JMO

 

[Megnut]

How absolutely petrifying.

I find it strange with the clothes switching in that short amount of time. But then RA is strange and full of contradictions, as those jail videos so vividly display.

That two little girls lost their lives because RA wanted to see them naked is among the saddest things I’ve ever heard.

If we try to follow the phone, it tells a story... after Libby tried to unlock it, she must have kept it hidden. While under gunpoint. While forced to undress. For those 18 minutes
.... set a timer, THAT IS FOREVER.

Clothing was left in the creek, IMO. Not intentionally. In fear for their lives, Abby must have stumbled, probably both did. While simultaneously trying to keep a phone hidden and dry.

Imagine Libby trying to communicate with Abby without words. Take my pants. Run. Abby not wanting to leave her. Libby knowing the phone was their only hope. Sheer terror.

There weren't enough clothes for both to dress.

Libby knew he was going to kill her. Abby must have been so torn, if my theory is even half right. Running might get Libby killed. Running might get her killed. Staying, they're both going to be killed.

RA knew he couldn't let Abby go, not when he knew he was going to kill Libby. I'm sure the girls knew it too. Instinctively. Terrifyingly.

He's a sick, sick creature.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Deleted by me because it was an article about gas station footage related to KK, not RA!

MOO it is related because there was a big delay in the attempt to get footage. "

 

[INfisherman]

it seems to me the prosecution does not use all of the arrows in their quiver.. because they don't want to confuse or overwhelm the jury especially if the evidence is not direct. I think they have to pick and choose the best so they can lay out their case.

To me, the most shocking (and important detail) that came out in trial was him confessing to the murder but giving the detail that a vehicle was coming down the gravel road that spooked him to take the girls across Deer Creek. Wasn't it a white van? Anyway... only the killer would have known that detail.

IMO, this. The state isn’t concerned with much of anything after the murders, as it really doesn’t lend to proving guilt.

RA said he was home at the time of the murders, which was a lie. Afterwards, he could have said he drove somewhere on an errand or stopped by work or going to a bar or any other lie, just as he’s done since 2022. Driving around Delphi isn’t necessarily a sign of guilt. Security cameras were probably not the norm around town - some businesses are likely to have them but not likely many which are monitoring traffic. Today might be a different story in that regard.

ETA

After 3+ months, the best his appellate attorneys can do is rehash BS from the MTCE? 14 minutes isn’t removing RA from the bridge or the scene & the critical evidence should be laughed out of court again since no nexus was ever shown.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

If we try to follow the phone, it tells a story... after Libby tried to unlock it, she must have kept it hidden. While under gunpoint. While forced to undress. For those 18 minutes
.... set a timer, THAT IS FOREVER.

Clothing was left in the creek, IMO. Not intentionally. In fear for their lives, Abby must have stumbled, probably both did. While simultaneously trying to keep a phone hidden and dry.

Imagine Libby trying to communicate with Abby without words. Take my pants. Run. Abby not wanting to leave her. Libby knowing the phone was their only hope. Sheer terror.

There weren't enough clothes for both to dress.

Libby knew he was going to kill her. Abby must have been so torn, if my theory is even half right. Running might get Libby killed. Running might get her killed. Staying, they're both going to be killed.

RA knew he couldn't let Abby go, not when he knew he was going to kill Libby. I'm sure the girls knew it too. Instinctively. Terrifyingly.

He's a sick, sick creature.

JMO

As far as I remember, the police also knew very early on, that one friend didn't want to leave the other. I always wondered, why/how they knew it.

 

[Megnut]

As far as I remember, the police also knew very early on, that one friend didn't want to leave the other. I always wondered, why/how they knew it.

From the video, "don't leave me up here"....

He terrorized them.

Awful, awful, awful man.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

From the video, "don't leave me up here"....

He terrorized them.

Awful, awful, awful man.

JMO

Hope RA is feeling even a fraction of the terror he caused Abby & Libby on the daily in Prison.

 

[snarast]

Hope RA is feeling even a fraction of the terror he caused Abby & Libby on the daily in Prison.

I don’t think he can feel much. Just react histrionically.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last long.

The more I learn about Abby and Libby the worse this gets - because they seem to me to be so special. I know that sounds corny but there it is.

And the more I loathe him.

 

[INfisherman]

Hope RA is feeling even a fraction of the terror he caused Abby & Libby on the daily in Prison.

I don’t think he can feel much. Just react histrionically.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last long.

The more I learn about Abby and Libby the worse this gets - because they seem to me to be so special. I know that sounds corny but there it is.

And the more I loathe him.

He should be enjoying the time spent with all his new manipulative & perverse neighbors at Pendleton.

MOO

 

[Justice101]

I don’t think he can feel much. Just react histrionically.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last long.

The more I learn about Abby and Libby the worse this gets - because they seem to me to be so special. I know that sounds corny but there it is.

And the more I loathe him.

Any yet I see comments from people who watched his denials during interrogation saying he was obviously innocent (from how strong his denial was). Like in Shawshank Redemption prison, "We are all innocent here".

There are many naïve and gullible people who believe whatever someone says. They don't understand that people who are being cornered lie all the time.

People. In general, you are NEVER going to outsmart a police interrogator. If given enough time, they are going to get to the bottom and find the truth. When they see the truth, they know it. When they see deception, they know half-truths and lies are being told. Hats off to the science of investigating and interrogations.

 

[Megnut]

Saying "I did it" isn't much of a confession. It's the indirect confessions that sink criminals all the time.

RA admitted to being at MHB at 1:30. He admitted to seeing three juveniles, one he described, affirming which group it was (four juveniles where he didn't see or did see but discounted one -- which may say something about what he was sizing up the other three for), he admitted to being on the first platform, admitted to being somewhere DTH when BW arrived, and he admitted to being the guy in the photo (whom he was dressed just like) so long as the photo didn't come from the girls' camera.

THAT IS A CONFESSION!

How could he know it couldn't have come from their camera unless he saw them without a camera?!

So confident he was, he didn't realize what he was admitting to!

He didn't know that LE stabilized and oriented that photo, but he knew where HE was on the bridge and he was CERTAIN they had no camera, no phone because he would have seen it.

And he didn't see one. Not when he was facing them as he forced them DTH, not as he forced them to disrobe, not during the 18 minutes he was alone with them, not when he forced them across the creek where he may have forced them to wash off evidence, not when he let Abby get dressed, not when he injured her fatally, not when he chased Libby, not when he stabbed her or dragged her, not when he obscured them with branches.

Full credit goes to Abby and Libby. Those brave girls kept that phone away from RA and it's what led him to boast with certainty, that's not me if...

Oh, but it is you and it was their camera, on a phone they managed to keep out of your sight, even as you violated them in unknown ways.

Embedded confession.

Just like his stance on the cartridge. He knew his firearm hadn't been discharged, another fact only he could know, apparently failing to remember he'd spit a cartridge when he racked the slide.

It's easy to mix the confession if you only listen for the "I did its". Granted he said his share of those, not those aren't the ones that ultimately convicted him.

A few more minutes of heavy pressure in the interrogation room, he might have blurted it --

"They didn't have a phone! They were standing right in front of me without one."

Abby and Libby, recorded their abduction, recorded their captor, fixed to time and place, and preserved that evidence, a joint effort, while under the control of a violent offender, and if that's not enough, they forced his confession, by managing to keep that phone so concealed he was certain they didn't have one, leading him to convict himself.

May their bravery never be forgotten.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Saying "I did it" isn't much of a confession. It's the indirect confessions that sink criminals all the time.

RA admitted to being at MHB at 1:30. He admitted to seeing three juveniles, one he described, affirming which group it was (four juveniles where he didn't see or did see but discounted one -- which may say something about what he was sizing up the other three for), he admitted to being on the first platform, admitted to being somewhere DTH when BW arrived, and he admitted to being the guy in the photo (whom he was dressed just like) so long as the photo didn't come from the girls' camera.

THAT IS A CONFESSION!

How could he know it couldn't have come from their camera unless he saw them without a camera?!

So confident he was, he didn't realize what he was admitting to!

He didn't know that LE stabilized and oriented that photo, but he knew where HE was on the bridge and he was CERTAIN they had no camera, no phone because he would have seen it.

And he didn't see one. Not when he was facing them as he forced them DTH, not as he forced them to disrobe, not during the 18 minutes he was alone with them, not when he forced them across the creek where he may have forced them to wash off evidence, not when he let Abby get dressed, not when he injured her fatally, not when he chased Libby, not when he stabbed her or dragged her, not when he obscured them with branches.

Full credit goes to Abby and Libby. Those brave girls kept that phone away from RA and it's what led him to boast with certainty, that's not me if...

Oh, but it is you and it was their camera, on a phone they managed to keep out of your sight, even as you violated them in unknown ways.

Embedded confession.

Just like his stance on the cartridge. He knew his firearm hadn't been discharged, another fact only he could know, apparently failing to remember he'd spit a cartridge when he racked the slide.

It's easy to mix the confession if you only listen for the "I did its". Granted he said his share of those, not those aren't the ones that ultimately convicted him.

A few more minutes of heavy pressure in the interrogation room, he might have blurted it --

"They didn't have a phone! They were standing right in front of me without one."

Abby and Libby, recorded their abduction, recorded their captor, fixed to time and place, and preserved that evidence, a joint effort, while under the control of a violent offender, and if that's not enough, they forced his confession, by managing to keep that phone so concealed he was certain they didn't have one, leading him to convict himself.

May their bravery never be forgotten.

JMO

Oh, he’s full of responses.

• "I can’t explain what I don’t know."
• "I’m not going to say I did something I didn’t do."
• "You know me. You know I couldn’t do something like this."
• "And I know you know me & I know you know…that I would never do this."

"I didn’t know you were on it (the bridge). I’m sorry."
"Well, don’t worry about it. I…..hon…"
"You told me you weren’t."
"Huh?"
"You told me you weren’t so I (inaudible)…"
"NO, I told you that I walked….." (shakes head)
"OK."
"I love you baby."
"I love you too."
"I don’t know what they’re trying to do but…..I know that’s not what I told you. I love you."

If he went home prior to 1:30, it doesn’t matter if he’s on the bridge or not. He cannot stop looking at her to see how she reacts & that she’s buying his lies. What a piece of work.

JMO

 

[snarast]

Any yet I see comments from people who watched his denials during interrogation saying he was obviously innocent (from how strong his denial was). Like in Shawshank Redemption prison, "We are all innocent here".

There are many naïve and gullible people who believe whatever someone says. They don't understand that people who are being cornered lie all the time.

People. In general, you are NEVER going to outsmart a police interrogator. If given enough time, they are going to get to the bottom and find the truth. When they see the truth, they know it. When they see deception, they know half-truths and lies are being told. Hats off to the science of investigating and interrogations.

Most of the time. Fortunately this time. Some people are just quite excellent liars. And they enjoy it. Thoroughly. And pass PGTs with ease. These interrogators would get nowhere with the likes of Diddy, just to name a current example of a self proclaimed übermensch with a non-reactive pulse.

That said I think RA went the - I’ll distract them by madness-route - and that didn’t work so well. Thankfully. It’s probably served him well in the past as a distraction manoeuvre. I suspect it’s going to be what kills him, unless he gets away with it for his diminutive stature which makes him look less threatening - sans firearms.

And then there are cases when the interrogator is so “into winning” that he railroads the subject. We all know that.

Pretty sure that didn’t happen here, though. His own proclamations and overall behaviour did him in. IMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Saying "I did it" isn't much of a confession. It's the indirect confessions that sink criminals all the time.

RA admitted to being at MHB at 1:30. He admitted to seeing three juveniles, one he described, affirming which group it was (four juveniles where he didn't see or did see but discounted one -- which may say something about what he was sizing up the other three for), he admitted to being on the first platform, admitted to being somewhere DTH when BW arrived, and he admitted to being the guy in the photo (whom he was dressed just like) so long as the photo didn't come from the girls' camera.

THAT IS A CONFESSION!

How could he know it couldn't have come from their camera unless he saw them without a camera?!

So confident he was, he didn't realize what he was admitting to!

He didn't know that LE stabilized and oriented that photo, but he knew where HE was on the bridge and he was CERTAIN they had no camera, no phone because he would have seen it.

And he didn't see one. Not when he was facing them as he forced them DTH, not as he forced them to disrobe, not during the 18 minutes he was alone with them, not when he forced them across the creek where he may have forced them to wash off evidence, not when he let Abby get dressed, not when he injured her fatally, not when he chased Libby, not when he stabbed her or dragged her, not when he obscured them with branches.

Full credit goes to Abby and Libby. Those brave girls kept that phone away from RA and it's what led him to boast with certainty, that's not me if...

Oh, but it is you and it was their camera, on a phone they managed to keep out of your sight, even as you violated them in unknown ways.

Embedded confession.

Just like his stance on the cartridge. He knew his firearm hadn't been discharged, another fact only he could know, apparently failing to remember he'd spit a cartridge when he racked the slide.

It's easy to mix the confession if you only listen for the "I did its". Granted he said his share of those, not those aren't the ones that ultimately convicted him.

A few more minutes of heavy pressure in the interrogation room, he might have blurted it --

"They didn't have a phone! They were standing right in front of me without one."

Abby and Libby, recorded their abduction, recorded their captor, fixed to time and place, and preserved that evidence, a joint effort, while under the control of a violent offender, and if that's not enough, they forced his confession, by managing to keep that phone so concealed he was certain they didn't have one, leading him to convict himself.

May their bravery never be forgotten.

JMO

I get this from his statements as well. It was like he knew there could be no phone. It's almost like he's mentally grappling, "Well, it's me, but there's no way you can prove it's me-- because there was no phone." 100%, , you can almost see him struggling with the reality that yes, they got this image-- from the victims' phone. No wonder he was so anxious to have them arrest him, he already knew he desperately needed to lawyer up asap.

He's lucky he didn't get the DP, jmo. I'm glad they didn't seek it, though, because I think his D would have exploited that to the umpteenth degree with the "Crazy Rick" Show (spork, poop, etc...)