GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Teche]

I m curious to see if his adult daughter participated in the docuseries.

 

[Vaderman]

Kathy Allen (a Delphi Resident as she is described by the new Hulu docuseries) shared these photos of events Abby and Libby would never enjoy: prom, marriage, anniversary.

Delphi killer's wife claims 'wonderful husband' is innocent

Despite his conviction for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams - and dozens of jailhouse confessions - Kathy Allen is standing by her 'wonderful, caring, compassionate' husband.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Vaderman]

I'm at the point in this documentary where the family talks about how they were told to make sure they had scarves for the girls for their funerals.

I don't think I ever knew about this or that the families knew/assumed their injuries.

I didn't know/appreciate the fact that the families were able to have open casket viewings. So many of these cases we follow don't have that quick of a discovery. I'm glad they were able to get that little bit of closure.

 

[Tricia]

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[Vaderman]

I know I've seen the full BG video, but something about watching it full screen on TV makes it especially chilling. The girls' sniffling...RA quickly skulking behind Abby...the nervous chattering...Abby running off of the bridge..."...guys"

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[girlhasnoname]

Drama $ells, namelessgirl. People do want to hear about Abby and Libby's lives...in juxtaposition with Bridge Guy and the crime.

The brightest of lights cast the darkest shadows.

So sad but true wise woody.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I m curious to see if his adult daughter participated in the docuseries.

I going to say no. She was very noticeably absent during the whole thing after his arrest. She only showed up at trial for one day, when she testified, IIRC.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

This right here! Amen.

They had every opportunity to bring in their defense but failed to present evidence which linked their culprits to the scene with some not even being in the town the day of the crime.

The defense failed & instead of doing their job as officers of the court, they turned around & cried to their supporters after violating the gag order multiple times. JG knew what they were up to all along.


Possibly. More over, her intellect shines most bright in the people she chooses to believe.

She just needs to pipe down & live the life she chose. I’ll never be convinced she didn’t initially think it was her husband, especially after that last 2022 interview with Holeman.


2 peas in a pod - both selfish liars that care for no one else, regardless of what they claim. She showed her true colors when she skipped the victim impact statements.

Notice not 1 of the 3 clowns were on TV when he was transferred to OK? They’re done with him - appellate attorneys are doing their jobs now but probably won’t hear much from them for a month or more.


Not a fan of anything about her.

All JMO

And it was the defense team that leaked death scene photos of two young girls, never to be removed from the internet, always out there. Unconscionable

 

[Dotta]

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[KSwizzle]

I watched the documentary, I think RA's wife is delusional, anyone else feel like the documentary was a lot more sided with him being innocent? Moo

 

[Justice101]

I just rewatched the interrogation video with his wife in the room and it seems to me that she did not really believe him.

She says that he told her he was not on the bridge that day... but he admits to her then and tries to change history to day that he walked onto only the first platform.... therefore admitting to her he had lied.

Once you lie to someone and then try to reinvent history, she probably knows this well and has seen this many times before.

I will give her the benefit of the doubt that at that point...in the interrogation room... she was shell-shocked believing her husband could never do such a terrible horrible thing...yet at the same time, doubting his denial in there.

"I can't explain how a bullet from my gun got to any murder scene!" When you say you can't explain it.. I would have come up with other reasons.... I dropped a bullet months ago and the girls must have picked it up and one of them had it in their pocked when the murders took place and it fell out then.

Sure he can't explain it because he didn't think he had lost a bullet there. That was the first he knew that he had messed up and lost a bullet there. He was probably buzzed enough to know when he ejected the bullet, he had lost it in the leaves... but was too panicked to remember to find it.

This was a really good interrogation.

Keep hammering at the facts that can't be explained away... and try to get emotional leverage by giving the suspect a chance to "spare his family" from the suffering by admitting it.

 

[Boxer]

If they had any real evidence, they'd have presented it at the first trial.

Loud doesn't mean true.

Enough already.

JMO

When your cooked, it's all about the appeal.

Nothing gets RA off the bridge.

 

[INfisherman]

I watched the documentary, I think RA's wife is delusional, anyone else feel like the documentary was a lot more sided with him being innocent? Moo

No surprise considering who they chose to place front & center for their advertising/marketing.

The facts of the case, as they stand & based on the trial outcome, are relatively boring to the average person. Throw in a steaming, heaping pile of a conspiracy & now you have the public salivating more often than not. Nothing more than being an influencer.

What @Megnut said cannot be repeated enough - if the defense had anything (exculpatory), they’d have presented it at trial. I might add that if they had any actual evidence, the judge would have allowed it to be presented at trial. What an attorney claims is a fact & what is allowed in court are 2 different things. A defense cannot just point fingers to people who fit certain criteria & go off on wild tangents claiming they must be murderers. There has to be more than just accusations. I do not feel many people understand that at all.

JMO

 

[AuDHD]

New here at WS. All I know for sure is that Libby was one smart cookie!! She clenched the conviction in my mind. Awful beyond words that she was put in the position to have to take such a recording, but so impressive of her to have the forethought to do that. <mod snipped- no source > I’m not going to watch the doc bc it sounds like it’s sensationalized/biased..

I’m one of those stereotypical always-on-my-phone millennials. And now, I sometimes start recording when I feel/see something awry. Between this case and some famous cases where bystanders took crucial video, I figure it can’t hurt. I even have those meta ray ban sunglasses that take pics and videos. I call them my spy glasses. edit: oh and the dash cam, can’t forget the trusty dash cam

 

[Megnut]

New here at WS. All I know for sure is that Libby was one smart cookie!! She clenched the conviction in my mind. Awful beyond words that she was put in the position to have to take such a recording, but so impressive of her to have the forethought to do that. I read in one source that she hid the phone under Abby, but I can’t recall where I saw that. Is that familiar to any of you? I’m not going to watch the doc bc it sounds like it’s sensationalized/biased..

I’m one of those stereotypical always-on-my-phone millennials. And now, I sometimes start recording when I feel/see something awry. Between this case and some famous cases where bystanders took crucial video, I figure it can’t hurt. I even have those meta ray ban sunglasses that take pics and videos. I call them my spy glasses. edit: oh and the dash cam, can’t forget the trusty dash cam

Welcome.

The phone was found under AW. IMO it was a joint effort to conceal the phone from RA. While recording. While being abducted. While being forced to undress. At gunpoint. While crossing the creek. While being brutally and fatally injured.

I think they were in the process of trying to convince him to let AW go, which is why she was dressed. And in LG's clothing. It's how, I think, LG transferred the phone to AW. It would have been their only hope. Though it would have meant leaving LG alone with the mad man. Alone with no clothing.

But he must have changed his mind, if he considered it at all. Decided they both needed to be dead so he could get back to 'living his life'.

He terrorized those girls.

He is the dark side of humanity.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

Welcome.

The phone was found under AW. IMO it was a joint effort to conceal the phone from RA. While recording. While being abducted. While being forced to undress. At gunpoint. While crossing the creek. While being brutally and fatally injured.

I think they were in the process of trying to convince him to let AW go, which is why she was dressed. And in LG's clothing. It's how, I think, LG transferred the phone to AW. It would have been their only hope. Though it would have meant leaving LG alone with the mad man. Alone with no clothing.

But he must have changed his mind, if he considered it at all. Decided they both needed to be dead so he could get back to 'living his life'.

He terrorized those girls.

He is the dark side of humanity.

JMO

And he by his own words sat there and watched them slowly bleed out .
Diabolical.

 

[Vaderman]

I m curious to see if his adult daughter participated in the docuseries.

I going to say no. She was very noticeably absent during the whole thing after his arrest. She only showed up at trial for one day, when she testified, IIRC.

JMO

The DM shared a photo of BG with his daughter. I don't see the oft-mentioned semblance to the victims, nor did I get the feeling she was "with" BG. She seems completely delightful and another innocent victim.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I just rewatched the interrogation video with his wife in the room and it seems to me that she did not really believe him.

She says that he told her he was not on the bridge that day... but he admits to her then and tries to change history to day that he walked onto only the first platform.... therefore admitting to her he had lied.

Once you lie to someone and then try to reinvent history, she probably knows this well and has seen this many times before.

I will give her the benefit of the doubt that at that point...in the interrogation room... she was shell-shocked believing her husband could never do such a terrible horrible thing...yet at the same time, doubting his denial in there.

"I can't explain how a bullet from my gun got to any murder scene!" When you say you can't explain it.. I would have come up with other reasons.... I dropped a bullet months ago and the girls must have picked it up and one of them had it in their pocked when the murders took place and it fell out then.

Sure he can't explain it because he didn't think he had lost a bullet there. That was the first he knew that he had messed up and lost a bullet there. He was probably buzzed enough to know when he ejected the bullet, he had lost it in the leaves... but was too panicked to remember to find it.

This was a really good interrogation.

Keep hammering at the facts that can't be explained away... and try to get emotional leverage by giving the suspect a chance to "spare his family" from the suffering by admitting it.

RA said he'd never loaned the gun out to anyone else, didn't know RL, and that he had never been or hunted at the spot where the bullet was found between the girls.

He couldn't have come up with any other reason why it was found it that exact spot. He boxed himself into a lying corner as lying, liars who lie tend to do.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

RA said he'd never loaned the gun out to anyone else, didn't know RL, and that he had never been or hunted at the spot where the bullet was found between the girls.

He couldn't have come up with any other reason why it was found it that exact spot. He boxed himself into a lying corner as lying, liars who lie tend to do.

JMO

In a former job, I did investigations of various chicanery at a large manufacturing plant. People that were stealing things but caught on camera, or sexual harassment, drinking on company property, destruction of company property, etc.

I did not sit down with the person suspected of the incident until I had most of the facts of the case. Either thru talking to other people or hidden camera footage, etc.

I would do more or less the same thing as these interrogators: Tell the person I was having to talk to.. that there are so many people to see what they knew and they were just one of them. Then start asking about the incident and did they know who could have done it. Then at some point ask them questions (without accusing) X, Y Z to where I could tell that they were lying. Eventually, the confrontation comes AFTER they have torpedoed their credibility. I would say things like you were seen in that area at around 5:20PM. They would say, "Who saw me??? because I was definitely not within 100 yards of that spot". They did not know we had a portable camera that caught them in the area... not necessarily stealing. I would then tell them we have it on camera. They demand to see it and I tell them "No" and do they want to come clean and tell the whole story and ask for a suspension instead of termination? Otherwise, they would be terminated immediately. I would say less than 20% came clean and told the whole story. In most of those cases, we gave them suspensions, reprimands and requirements to attend AA meetings, counseling, etc... but did not fire them because they were (mostly) honest in the end.

Not that I am a professional interrogator, but I can tell you the basics is the suspect does not have any idea how much or how little you know as facts. They will hang themselves every time if you ask the right questions UP FRONT BEFORE they think you suspect them. A lot of it is common sense and just holding and playing your cards intelligently.

These interrogators did a much better job than I would have done for sure.

 

[sunshineray]

No surprise considering who they chose to place front & center for their advertising/marketing.

The facts of the case, as they stand & based on the trial outcome, are relatively boring to the average person. Throw in a steaming, heaping pile of a conspiracy & now you have the public salivating more often than not. Nothing more than being an influencer.

What @Megnut said cannot be repeated enough - if the defense had anything (exculpatory), they’d have presented it at trial. I might add that if they had any actual evidence, the judge would have allowed it to be presented at trial. What an attorney claims is a fact & what is allowed in court are 2 different things. A defense cannot just point fingers to people who fit certain criteria & go off on wild tangents claiming they must be murderers. There has to be more than just accusations. I do not feel many people understand that at all.

JMO

What gets me is those men named and forever accused of being child murderers have no legal recourse what-so-ever. So not only did they leak children's death photos, they've slandered people who had nothing at all to do with these evil acts...and that too is on the internet, for all time