GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[INfisherman]

They should also give that judge an award. The crazy antics and insults from the defense team were more than most judges could tolerate.

JMO, it's interesting to see the difference in how the prosecution and trial process for RA was conducted. It was much different from BK.

Completely different defense trial tactics, if one even considers what the 3 clowns did a tactic at all.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Details regarding the approval for an appellate extension:

Richard Allen’s attorneys granted second extension in appeal filing deadline - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen’s appellate attorneys have been granted a second extension in filing his appeal. Allen was convicted of two counts of murder in the deaths of Abigail Williams and Liberty German on Nov. 11, 2024. He was sentenced to 130 years in the Indiana Department of Corrections (IDOC). Abby...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[tlcya]

I'm still trying to understand why RA was moved to OK.

 

[Gemmie]

As @twall states, he’s apparently being transferred to a prison in OK. The current location where RA is being kept is an "incoming facility" where he will be assessed then transferred to another more permanent facility somewhere in OK. He went through a similar procedure after his sentencing. He was sent to Plainfield for a couple of weeks (possibly longer), then after his assessment/evaluation he was transferred to Westfield for a few months, then again transferred to Pendleton. Never definitively heard if he was kept separate from the general population or not. I’m guessing he probably was but that’s JMO.

Most people are wondering why he’s been transferred out of state. Hopefully that will be answered next week. If not, then oh well & good riddance, AFAIAC.

On July 31, the Indiana Department of Corrections provided a single sentence statement on Allen's transfer:

"Richard Allen was moved under the Interstate Corrections Compact, in which Indiana DOC has agreements with 22 other states to transfer individuals such as those who are high profile, for their safety and to offer that same level of safety to other states in return."

After a follow up question, the IDOC added that there was no specific threat against Allen. The decision to move him was taken as a precaution.

Man convicted for Delphi murders transferred to Oklahoma under agreement for 'high profile' convicts

Richard Allen was sentenced in December 2024 to 130 years in prison for killing Abby Williams and Libby German. He was moved to an Oklahoma prison on July 18.

www.wthr.com

 

[Boxer]

On July 31, the Indiana Department of Corrections provided a single sentence statement on Allen's transfer:

"Richard Allen was moved under the Interstate Corrections Compact, in which Indiana DOC has agreements with 22 other states to transfer individuals such as those who are high profile, for their safety and to offer that same level of safety to other states in return."

After a follow up question, the IDOC added that there was no specific threat against Allen. The decision to move him was taken as a precaution.

Man convicted for Delphi murders transferred to Oklahoma under agreement for 'high profile' convicts

Richard Allen was sentenced in December 2024 to 130 years in prison for killing Abby Williams and Libby German. He was moved to an Oklahoma prison on July 18.

www.wthr.com

The inmates could get competitive with Idaho, with an unspoken goal of having no safe place in any correctional facility for stranger thrill killers of innocent women and children (and men).

 

[INfisherman]

The inmates could get competitive with Idaho, with an unspoken goal of having no safe place in any correctional facility for stranger thrill killers of innocent women and children (and men).

I’m curious if his defense attorney’s lies regarding Ricci Davis or the alleged white supremacist’s involvement (Odinists) lended to any potential safety issues.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

On July 31, the Indiana Department of Corrections provided a single sentence statement on Allen's transfer:

"Richard Allen was moved under the Interstate Corrections Compact, in which Indiana DOC has agreements with 22 other states to transfer individuals such as those who are high profile, for their safety and to offer that same level of safety to other states in return."

After a follow up question, the IDOC added that there was no specific threat against Allen. The decision to move him was taken as a precaution.

Man convicted for Delphi murders transferred to Oklahoma under agreement for 'high profile' convicts

Richard Allen was sentenced in December 2024 to 130 years in prison for killing Abby Williams and Libby German. He was moved to an Oklahoma prison on July 18.

www.wthr.com

Yeah, I saw that & most other local MSM reports. IDOC was being shifty with their reason - not wanting to say too much publicly IMO. No threats but being precautionary? There was something going on, they’re just not saying what.

MOO

 

[Bekind89]

https://fox59.com/news/delphi-families-honored-as-crimecon-2025-crimefighters-of-the-year/

Libby German, Abby Williams and their families were honored as “Crimefighters of the Year” at CrimeCon 2025 in Denver, an annual conference devoted to true crime, this past weekend.

Also on stage were Indiana State Police Lieutenant Jerry Holeman, who led the investigation against Richard Allen and Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland who successfully convinced jurors to convict Allen for the 2017 killings and then a judge to sentence him to 130 years in prison.

I'm still trying to understand why RA was moved to

I’m curious if his defense attorney’s lies regarding Ricci Davis or the alleged white supremacist’s involvement (Odinists) lended to any potential safety issues.

MOO

YEAH, I saw that & most other local MSM reports. IDOC was being shifty with their reason - not wanting to say too much publicly IMO. No threats but being precautionary? There was something going on, they’re just not saying what.

MOO

It makes me wonder if the poisonous toad is still acting out. That could be another reason to move him, idk.
Either way, I hope he is absolutely miserable.

 

[Boxer]

I’m curious if his defense attorney’s lies regarding Ricci Davis or the alleged white supremacist’s involvement (Odinists) lended to any potential safety issues.

MOO

Sounds like a valid reason.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm still trying to understand why RA was moved to OK.

Maybe Indiana ran out of sporks

 

[Boxer]

Yeah, I saw that & most other local MSM reports. IDOC was being shifty with their reason - not wanting to say too much publicly IMO. No threats but being precautionary? There was something going on, they’re just not saying what.

MOO

I thought that many would
Dedicate themselves to killing him
somehow. If that was uncovered - and it was widespread plan or sophisticated, away RA goes.

 

[Betty P]

No. Nic Edwards of True Crime Garage.

He thinks RA is innocent? I don’t agree with him on that, but I do understand why some people are skeptical. The way this investigation was handled probably makes some people doubt it. Kegan Kline and the anthony_shots catfishing incident was treated as a coincidence. It may be, but people will always question that.

 

[snarast]

He thinks RA is innocent? I don’t agree with him on that, but I do understand why some people are skeptical. The way this investigation was handled probably makes some people doubt it. Kegan Kline and the anthony_shots catfishing incident was treated as a coincidence. It may be, but people will always question that.

John Douglas seemed to think the investigation was botched. I don’t think Nic has the same opinion.

I was just really surprised by that statement.
It’s here - check the transcript. It was not in depth but it was surprising. To me.

Excerpt:
Nic : “Yes, the perpetrator said, Guys, Down the Hill.”

John Douglas: “Yeah, and they sound authoritarian. Man, I mean, you know, and they sat on that, God, wasn't it like two years or so? It was ridiculous.

You don't, you don't sit on, on something like, you know, like that, you know, for that period of time. And that case to me was a solvable kind of case. That is not a, it's not a case where some stranger comes roaming into a community and just by the fluke, you know, and this, I think it was like a winter day, he comes across this railroad trestle and he confronts these girls.

It's like he has, there's this knowledge, a knowledge of the area. That's his comfort zone, that area there, whatever that area is like.”

Mind Hunter /// John Douglas /// Part 1

Podcast Episode · True Crime Garage · 04/09/2025 · 40m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[INfisherman]

Maybe Indiana ran out of sporks

I can confirm, based on my Taco Bell order, that there is a sufficient supply of sporks in IN.

 

[Betty P]

John Douglas seemed to think the investigation was botched. I don’t think Nic has the same opinion.

I was just really surprised by that statement.
It’s here - check the transcript. It was not in depth but it was surprising. To me.

Excerpt:
Nic : “Yes, the perpetrator said, Guys, Down the Hill.”

John Douglas: “Yeah, and they sound authoritarian. Man, I mean, you know, and they sat on that, God, wasn't it like two years or so? It was ridiculous.

You don't, you don't sit on, on something like, you know, like that, you know, for that period of time. And that case to me was a solvable kind of case. That is not a, it's not a case where some stranger comes roaming into a community and just by the fluke, you know, and this, I think it was like a winter day, he comes across this railroad trestle and he confronts these girls.

It's like he has, there's this knowledge, a knowledge of the area. That's his comfort zone, that area there, whatever that area is like.”

Mind Hunter /// John Douglas /// Part 1

Podcast Episode · True Crime Garage · 04/09/2025 · 40m

podcasts.apple.com

Thanks for that link. Very interested to hear the interview with John Douglas. I'm probably in the middle. I think the investigation was botched in the beginning, but luck was on their side. Eventually, their volunteer found the park ranger's report in an old file and brought it to their attention. They were able to put together a good case against RA. It was hard work and luck, but I still think they got the right person.

I remember some of those retired FBI, etc. experts talking about this case in the months after the girls were murdered. Most of them were saying it was someone local. They were being very polite and helpful to the Delphi and state police. Yikes, it was the guy working at the local CVS. SMH.

 

[INfisherman]

NThey should also give that judge an award. The crazy antics and insults from the defense team were more than most judges could tolerate.

Follow up, RSBM

I agree, JG did fairly well considering the circumstances with the defense team. She’s being quite professional with the appellate team, who must seem like a breath of fresh air. (MOO)

I also feel Kathy Shank, a retired CPS employee who volunteered to be a clerk for investigators & found the cleared tip sheet, should have been included in that group. I have little doubt she likely would have brushed off the attention had she been given similar recognition. (MOO)

Very detailed & interesting article about her involvement with the case:

Attention to detail - Carroll County Comet

Kathy Shank worked to protect children her entire career, and she isn’t letting retirement stop her from what she was called to do. On Thursday, jurors learned that it was Shank who found the 2017 tip that led police to investigate Richard Allen. Allen has been charged with four counts of murder...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Interesting tidbit: it will be the 3rd anniversary of her finding that cleared tip sheet in 12 days.

 

[dotr]

20 September 2025 lengthy article.

How the murder of two teenage girls was left unsolved for five years

Libby, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, who had set out for a walk on well-known trails in the woods outside the small town of Delphi, Indiana in February 2017, never returned home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Libby, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, can be heard exchanging nervous whispers on the video.

'Is he right there?' asks Abigail, clearly too scared to look behind her.

Libby steps off the rail tracks as the bridge ends and the camera – once more pointing downwards - catches a glimpse of steeply sloping woodland.

'See, this is the path that we're on,' begins Libby. Heartbreakingly, you sense she's trying to sound calm, normal even. Abby suddenly rushes past her.''

Richard Allen, 52, leaves the Carroll County Courthouse after being sentenced to 130 years in prison for the murders
''Now, a new book, Shadow of The Bridge: The Delphi Murders And The Dark Side Of The American Heartland, by Aine Cain and Kevin Greenlee, and - separately - an ABC News documentary series, have provided a 'definitive' account of the brutal murders and how a chance discovery by a volunteer clerk finally led to justice being done.''

 

[Boxer]

20 September 2025 lengthy article.

How the murder of two teenage girls was left unsolved for five years

Libby, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, who had set out for a walk on well-known trails in the woods outside the small town of Delphi, Indiana in February 2017, never returned home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Libby, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, can be heard exchanging nervous whispers on the video.

'Is he right there?' asks Abigail, clearly too scared to look behind her.

Libby steps off the rail tracks as the bridge ends and the camera – once more pointing downwards - catches a glimpse of steeply sloping woodland.

'See, this is the path that we're on,' begins Libby. Heartbreakingly, you sense she's trying to sound calm, normal even. Abby suddenly rushes past her.''
View attachment 615552
Richard Allen, 52, leaves the Carroll County Courthouse after being sentenced to 130 years in prison for the murders
''Now, a new book, Shadow of The Bridge: The Delphi Murders And The Dark Side Of The American Heartland, by Aine Cain and Kevin Greenlee, and - separately - an ABC News documentary series, have provided a 'definitive' account of the brutal murders and how a chance discovery by a volunteer clerk finally led to justice being done.''
View attachment 615553

That picture perfectly captures RAs under brow side eye look that I have always seen on the face of the killer on the bridge in the video. MOO His wife knows its him.

 

[INfisherman]

So the appellate team is stalling again…..

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[girlhasnoname]

So the appellate team is stalling again…..

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

Stick a 'Spork' in them, they're done and they know it. Putting off the inevitable IMO.