GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[INfisherman]

All is well. Seems everyone will get what they want.

Part One

Yes - likely up to the point the conviction is upheld.

JMO

I think they WEREN'T going to do  anything. It was about appearances. Remember the slammed-down subpoena? Theatre.

The so-called impeaching was over the ATMs, which the defense wanted badly to seem like physical work on physical machines and locations anywhere but near MHB.

Instead we learn it's something BW did on his own time, and largely by computer.

His original interviews were later clarified. He did no physical servicing of physical ATMs that day.

That 2:44 footage already has an authentication problem. Am/pm. So... if it's 2.44 am (assuming it's not also off by matters of minutes), maybe the defense wound it forward and it's the pm of the day before (I don't know what his normal work schedule was, whether he did or didn't work on Sundays).

The defense was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill air. Trying to suggest that BW was lying, that there's no confession in Ricky's admission.

BW and Ricky are both agreed. BW arrived during the commission of Ricky's crime. Before or after the creek crossing changes nothing. If Ricky forced the girls to wash in and cross the creek, he's not going to admit to that. In fact, didn't he say that's why he didn't R them? Because of the arrival of the van? Regardless BW and Ricky authenticate each other. Plus/minus 2:30.

That's the confession.

Ricky didn't leave at 1:30. Ricky didn't leave at 2:15. Ricky was there, under the bridge, when BW arrived home, directly after work. Ricky was the only man on and under the bridge to be filmed by Libby at 2:13/:14 and was still there when BW arrived home, all within minutes of Libby's phone ceasing movement.

There was no bombshell testimony coming in. And the defense knew it. Nothing to impeach BW or they would have impeached him properly, while they had him on the stand, under oath. They didn't do that because they couldn't do that. There was nothing TO impeach, just additional clarification in his interviews over time.

If you ask me what time I got home and say, I clocked out at 2, ran an errand and got home after 2:30, then I check my phone and can narrow down my arrival to 2:38, the first statement is neither wrong nor a lie. The second statement simply fleshed it out.

2:44, if accurate and authenticated, is just as damning to Ricky as 2:28.

The Defense literally resorted to table thumping (with the subpoena) in a failed attempt to create noise as a distraction to the FACT that Ricky himself put himself under the MHB and in the area where Libby's cell phone stopped moving, under the body of a victim who died where she lay.

It's really too bad for the defense and their invention of an Odinistic ritual flopped. Their own defendant didn't see any of them while he was there.

He was the only man there. Based on witness testimony and corroborated by Ricky himself.

Case closed.

JMO

I tend to agree with you regarding the BW cross by the defense. I feel if Agent Pohl would have been allowed to testify, it would have been more smoke & mirrors by the defense. Their strategy towards the end of the trial was just really odd & it seemed they rested quite unexpectedly.

No one can or will try to get the convicted off the bridge because they can’t after he admitted he was there & a witness also saw him.

Great post, but you know that.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Yes - likely up to the point the conviction is upheld.

JMO


I tend to agree with you regarding the BW cross by the defense. I feel if Agent Pohl would have been allowed to testify, it would have been more smoke & mirrors by the defense. Their strategy towards the end of the trial was just really odd & it seemed they rested quite unexpectedly.

No one can or will try to get the convicted off the bridge because they can’t after he admitted he was there & a witness also saw him.

Great post, but you know that.

JMO

Yes good point.

And is it accurate that the defense did not put up their own expert on the gun ejector marks on the unspent bullet?

Or am I imagining that? if they did not put up any defense on that, that was their best hope since there was some science studies that suggested the accuracy of such tests was not 100.000%

 

[FromGermany1]

Another option (like you've posted about) is RA placed the creek crossing in his confession to Wala after he mentioned seeing a van to give an excuse as to why the girls' crossed the creek because the actual reason was far more nefarious. RA was worried about his DNA if the story of a worried RA calling his mom shortly after the crime, telling her that LE might use his dna from his cigarette butt to frame him, is true.

bbm
Wow, never heard of it. Always thankful for these news.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Yes good point.

And is it accurate that the defense did not put up their own expert on the gun ejector marks on the unspent bullet?

Or am I imagining that? if they did not put up any defense on that, that was their best hope since there was some science studies that suggested the accuracy of such tests was not 100.000%

If I remember correctly, the defense did have their own ballistic expert at trial.
Their expert was eviscerated on cross examination when he was forced to reveal that even though he was free to examine the actual bullet at the crime scene he was only provided photos to look at by the defense. That, and strong testimony that looking at photos was not the approved method of ballistic examination, pretty much sunk that testimony.
Not a good look for the unethical defense.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes good point.

And is it accurate that the defense did not put up their own expert on the gun ejector marks on the unspent bullet?

Or am I imagining that? if they did not put up any defense on that, that was their best hope since there was some science studies that suggested the accuracy of such tests was not 100.000%

IIRC, the defense was planning on having a metallurgist named Tobin testify but he was not allowed to do so by JG due to his alleged lack of ballistics experience in her ruling. The defense had a ballistics consultant named Eric Warren testify on day 16 of the trial & this is to whom I believe @StarryStarryNight is referring.

 

[Megnut]

Yes good point.

And is it accurate that the defense did not put up their own expert on the gun ejector marks on the unspent bullet?

Or am I imagining that? if they did not put up any defense on that, that was their best hope since there was some science studies that suggested the accuracy of such tests was not 100.000%

And they tried to make an issue of chain of custody in that cartridge, leading some people to believe that there was no proper record. Turns out the bullet was tamped into the ground, obscured by leaves, discovered accidently when it glinted, was photographed and processed. Sent first for fingerprint analysis, then sent for comparison. All appropriately documented, including the test firing in order to enhance the ejector marks.

Then Ricky himself admits he carried a gun and acknowledges he "did something" with it.

It's also worth noting that Ricky made a point of saying he didn't R them, which forensically is a bold confession IMO because what are the odds of another guy abducting two little girls and also not R'ing them? Zero. Ricky seemed to have intimate knowledge that no evidence of or from R would be recovered.

He also admitted that he stayed "to make sure they didn't suffer"... another bold confession -- as much as saying I had to watch they didn't die immediately. He also seemed pretty vehement that there was "no way" his bullet could have been there -- probably because he knew he didn't shoot it -- but that exposes this -- if he DIDN'T kill the girls, someone else did. Maybe they had his gun, stole his ammo, etc, etc. Indirectly Ricky confirms that no gun was fired, the injuries were lethal but not instantaneous. Who could know that besides someone who was there?

No one.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

It is clear to me that LE considered heavily that BG didn't act one. Because of the catfishing account. And their questions reflected that.

They have him every opportunity to throw someone else under the  bus bridge. So much so, even he seemed confused by the line of questioning. He couldn't think on his feet IMO. Or he would have said that, yes, he met the girls on the bridge, said something to them (like guys, don't go down the hill) and then went home.

He didn't. Instead he lied, said he never saw them.

Here's a truth. Abby and Libby and Libby's phone saw him. He saw Abby and Libby, no way to miss seeing them. What he DIDN'T see was Libby's phone. Not when she recorded him, not when he forced them to undress, not during what occurred between 2:14 and 2:32, not when he forced them across the creek, not when Libby transfered the phone to Abby, not when he murdered them, not when he moved Libby's body, not even he piled branches on them. That is why he was so confident that the girls didn't film him, he didn't see any phones.

Man is a moron.

And that is of course the nicest thing I could say about him.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

It is clear to me that LE considered heavily that BG didn't act one. Because of the catfishing account. And their questions reflected that.

They have him every opportunity to throw someone else under the  bus bridge. So much so, even he seemed confused by the line of questioning. He couldn't think on his feet IMO. Or he would have said that, yes, he met the girls on the bridge, said something to them (like guys, don't go down the hill) and then went home.

He didn't. Instead he lied, said he never saw them.

Here's a truth. Abby and Libby and Libby's phone saw him. He saw Abby and Libby, no way to miss seeing them. What he DIDN'T see was Libby's phone. Not when she recorded him, not when he forced them to undress, not during what occurred between 2:14 and 2:32, not when he forced them across the creek, not when Libby transfered the phone to Abby, not when he murdered them, not when he moved Libby's body, not even he piled branches on them. That is why he was so confident that the girls didn't film him, he didn't see any phones.

Man is a moron.

And that is of course the nicest thing I could say about him.

JMO

Yes, they were quite heavily invested in other potential actors prior to the idiot’s rediscovered tip sheet & subsequent arrest. So much so that they spent an entire week scouring the bed of the Wabash River as well as a grandmother’s burn pile near Peru, which is near……Mexico (all in IN of course). JH only stated there currently wasn’t any evidence connecting the catfisherman & the bridge troll. There are allegedly several coincidences - one troll’s wife was neighbors with a certain angler’s father when she was younger. The troll & angler’s father allegedly worked at the same automotive factory in Kokomo at one time as well as allegedly rode motorcycles around together. All MOO since legit sources are not digging into these things. In regards to Delphi, the angler was the real fall guy IMO - he most likely covered for his dad by hiding his dad’s iPhone & lying to LE about his dad’s involvement in the murders. I feel this father was pulling strings from afar - but so far, zero legit evidence of it. Again & reiterating all the Peru connection is JMO.

I’ve said all along the scaly bridge troll should have simply lied to his wife & just denied it all to the end. He’d have likely never been caught. The moron just couldn’t help inserting himself. Dumb, dumb, dumb, if you’re suddenly deciding to become a child diddling murderer.

Someone, since the conviction & sentencing, should be sitting down & examining what all their spouse put at risk for his 90 minutes of perversion. The troll threw everything away for a weakness or urge he couldn’t set aside. Wonder how that makes her feel, if she’s even unselfish enough for 5 short minutes to consider just that? Not quite the priority you thought you were is where I’d likely arrive. Then again, I’m not naive enough to believe the world revolves around just me or my closest loved ones or take the word of 3 clowns after catching my spouse in a lie…..on video, no less….THREE YEARS ago.

I have nothing nice to say about him or anyone connected to him. I do have plenty of insulting jokes at their expense that I’m having a hard time refraining from posting but I’ll play nice.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

bbm
Wow, never heard of it. Always thankful for these news.

The info about RA calling his mother days after the crime is from the Murder Sheet couple's new book. I haven't read it yet but Kevin and Aine shared that part in a media article when promoting their book.

 

[FromGermany1]

The info about RA calling his mother days after the crime is from the Murder Sheet couple's new book. I haven't read it yet but Kevin and Aine shared that part in a media article when promoting their book.

Is RA's mother ex-PO or something or why did he tell his (poor) mother?

 

[shonyakay]

Is RA's mother ex-PO or something or why did he tell his (poor) mother?

Not to my knowledge. I believe RA told his mother to get out in front of LE coming after him for this crime.

Maybe he was afraid that he left some DNA of his at the scene.

I am not sure exactly what date RA made that phone call to his mother the article just stated days after the crime.

RA's mother thought RA's call was suspicious enough that she never forgot it and told the investigators about it after LE honed in on RA.

On February 23, 2017 a FOX59 morning broadcast had Sheriff Tobe Leazenby on saying that the investigators have asked for DNA evidence to be "fast-tracked."

It seems like I remember there being talk of DNA regarding this case even sooner than that. Anybody else remember talk of a crime scene evidence vehicle seen at a house on Bicycle road? That is purely from my memory though.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Anybody else remember talk of a crime scene evidence vehicle seen at a house on Bicycle road?

Here is an old article about the Bicycle Bridge Rd property search.

Search warrant served at Indiana home in murders of two teenage girls

Officers with the Indiana State Police, Carroll County Sheriff’s deputies and FBI agents on Thursday searched a home near Delphi after receiving tips linked to the murders of two girls.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Justice101]

It is clear to me that LE considered heavily that BG didn't act one. Because of the catfishing account. And their questions reflected that.

They have him every opportunity to throw someone else under the  bus bridge. So much so, even he seemed confused by the line of questioning. He couldn't think on his feet IMO. Or he would have said that, yes, he met the girls on the bridge, said something to them (like guys, don't go down the hill) and then went home.

He didn't. Instead he lied, said he never saw them.

Here's a truth. Abby and Libby and Libby's phone saw him. He saw Abby and Libby, no way to miss seeing them. What he DIDN'T see was Libby's phone. Not when she recorded him, not when he forced them to undress, not during what occurred between 2:14 and 2:32, not when he forced them across the creek, not when Libby transfered the phone to Abby, not when he murdered them, not when he moved Libby's body, not even he piled branches on them. That is why he was so confident that the girls didn't film him, he didn't see any phones.

Man is a moron.

And that is of course the nicest thing I could say about him.

JMO

Interesting.

2 questions:

Libby transferred the phone to Abby? Or was it in Libby's pocket when her clothes were put on Abby?

Being that people almost always lie about how much they have drunk, maybe RA was not so much as an idiot but just drunk?

 

[Megnut]

Interesting.

2 questions:

Libby transferred the phone to Abby? Or was it in Libby's pocket when her clothes were put on Abby?

Being that people almost always lie about how much they have drunk, maybe RA was not so much as an idiot but just drunk?

I have a theory.

Libby knew they video was gold.

There is a glaring gap in Ricky's narrative.

Quick to say he didn't R them (because they were too young? As if. Because BW arrived? Maybe. Maybe Ricky's brand of fantasy SA doesn't involve R)... but he hasn't said what he did do. He forced two little girls to undress.... then what? That's the part he's not saying and his victims are dead to prevent them from saying.

But Abby was redressed.

I think Libby never stopped thinking, I think Abby was looking to Libby for direction. I think Libby was trying to convince Ricky to let at least Abby go -- and if he let Abby go, she'd have the phone -- the video AND the ability to call for help. It would have been their only hope.

I think Libby sacrificed her pants to transfer the phone. Imagine the terrified conversations the girls were probably having. With just their eyes.

It almost worked too.

Until it didn't.

That man is evil.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I have a theory.

Libby knew they video was gold.

There is a glaring gap in Ricky's narrative.

Quick to say he didn't R them (because they were too young? As if. Because BW arrived? Maybe. Maybe Ricky's brand of fantasy SA doesn't involve R)... but he hasn't said what he did do. He forced two little girls to undress.... then what? That's the part he's not saying and his victims are dead to prevent them from saying.

But Abby was redressed.

I think Libby never stopped thinking, I think Abby was looking to Libby for direction. I think Libby was trying to convince Ricky to let at least Abby go -- and if he let Abby go, she'd have the phone -- the video AND the ability to call for help. It would have been their only hope.

I think Libby sacrificed her pants to transfer the phone. Imagine the terrified conversations the girls were probably having. With just their eyes.

It almost worked too.

Until it didn't.

That man is evil.

JMO

I think he at least made contact with them or he wouldn’t have been so focused on DNA when he spoke to his mother. He likely threw their clothes in the creek prior to leaving the scene as well, hoping to at least degrade any samples he left. He took trophies with him IMO.

I’m not sure who’s more evil - him or the people pointing to others while ignoring that they still cannot remove the short troll from the bridge or video. What are the chances an innocent man was recorded prior to them being forced down the hill? They have to be astronomical & LG would have had to have been the most paranoid 14 year old on earth.

3rd anniversary of bridge troll’s arrest this Sunday. I hope the girls are smiling down upon us all.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

I think he at least made contact with them or he wouldn’t have been so focused on DNA when he spoke to his mother. He likely threw their clothes in the creek prior to leaving the scene as well, hoping to at least degrade any samples he left. He took trophies with him IMO.

I’m not sure who’s more evil - him or the people pointing to others while ignoring that they still cannot remove the short troll from the bridge or video. What are the chances an innocent man was recorded prior to them being forced down the hill? They have to be astronomical & LG would have had to have been the most paranoid 14 year old on earth.

3rd anniversary of bridge troll’s arrest this Sunday. I hope the girls are smiling down upon us all.

JMO

I also cannot imagine what the girls felt in that impossible situation.

They were all alone. Way out in the middle of nowhere where even a scream wouldn't be heard and if so, nobody could have been able to locate where it was coming from.

Hopelessly being held at gun's point, with an evil man who they knew would either R and/or kill them.

The only thing they could possibly have done and would have been (and only if they KNEW FOR CERTAIN they were going to get killed) would be to run.

But they were so terrified.

I have ZERO empathy for consequences going on in the Allen family now. NONE.

 

[INfisherman]

I also cannot imagine what the girls felt in that impossible situation.

They were all alone. Way out in the middle of nowhere where even a scream wouldn't be heard and if so, nobody could have been able to locate where it was coming from.

Hopelessly being held at gun's point, with an evil man who they knew would either R and/or kill them.

The only thing they could possibly have done and would have been (and only if they KNEW FOR CERTAIN they were going to get killed) would be to run.

But they were so terrified.

I have ZERO empathy for consequences going on in the Allen family now. NONE.

I find it next to impossible to imagine the fear, terror & anxiety they must have felt. I try not to think about it because of how emotional & vindictive I can be at times. It’s not about me, of course, but those shortcomings are something I am trying to get past as a person. They didn’t get that chance - to grow up, live the joys & hurts of life - to mature & try to be a better person as an adult. He took that & so much more away from them. I was raised not to do such things to females - it irks me to my core, as a male & especially as a parent.

Unfortunately, I feel like you do. I don’t like it but it’s just how I am. No empathy nor sympathy AT ALL for the troll or his wife. ZERO. Liars. I’m on the fence concerning his mother & that’s about it.

I can live with my feelings. How they can live with theirs is just beyond my understanding.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Happy 3rd anniversary of your arrest, troll. You stole irreplaceable things from innocent GIRLS & continue to deny it because you only care about yourself.

AW & LG are smiling, a higher power willing.

MOO

 

[Justice101]

It seems like I remember there being talk of DNA regarding this case even sooner than that. Anybody else remember talk of a crime scene evidence vehicle seen at a house on Bicycle road? That is purely from my memory though.

I was thinking that early on the "talk" was that there was DNA.. but perhaps from an pet (dog or cat) or even perhaps a deer.

I'm wondering if that there was some animal hair on one of the victims clothing and it probably tested as deer or squirrel and that was a dead end.

Might just be me though

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I was thinking that early on the "talk" was that there was DNA.. but perhaps from an pet (dog or cat) or even perhaps a deer.

I'm wondering if that there was some animal hair on one of the victims clothing and it probably tested as deer or squirrel and that was a dead end.

Might just be me though

There was talk about animal hairs especially when Tony Kline was being discussed. Some thought the hairs would track back to his dogs., but apparently not.
I’ve been reading the trial transcript intermittently and recently was reading the testimony of the State’s DNA specialist.
It that she talked about different hairs that she was given to examine. She did mention two or three animal hairs. I think they were found on the girls’ clothing. They were apparently of no consequence to the investigation as she had nothing more to say about them.
I know Libby had a new puppy and I think Abby had a cat. Just my guess that the hairs were from those animals.