CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Andromeda]

MOO but maybe setting up the intruder theory? "They couldn't have left on their own because they would never close the sliding door." (I'm sure RCMP dusted the door frame for fingerprints, but MOO neither MBM nor DM were speaking clearly at that moment.)

MOO, theory? Absolutely. I think he was implying someone else opened/closed the sliding door. Not them. Not the kids. “Abductor”.

 

[iamafiusny]

I can't speak about whether or not it is unusual, but this scenario came up for a couple living near to me when CPS determined that the home was an unsafe environment for the children. The mother could keep the children if she broke off the relationship with her partner and find a home elsewhere. Otherwise the children would be put into foster care.

I meant unusual in the middle of a missing person case. Can't recall seeing it before.

Cps would not make someone break off a relationship unless it was a serious threat to the children. They try everything, including things like parenting classes, before drastic steps are taken.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

MOO, theory? Absolutely. I think he was implying someone else opened/closed the sliding door. Not them. Not the kids. “Abductor”.

Do you think he's that smart?

I feel like he'd just straight up tell us

Someone opened up the super silent sliding door we can't hear, I'm guessing, and offered the kids some water. So they put their boots on and followed them out, I'm guessing. And then they must have closed the super silent sliding door we can't hear.

Moo

 

[Bigditch]

Do you really flip flop on him vs. her being the guilty party?

Not being snarky, genuinely curious your thoughts.

I can't really see someone taking the fall for this, imo.

I flip flop on them both being guilty, or maybe her being a victim of domestic abuse. They got her tucked away pretty quickly. I think if she still has Meadow in her care the facts as we know them would line up with this theory.

Because if she were just asked to take the youngest elsewhere because the trailer wasn't safe she wouldn't need to cut DM off. If both guilty you'd think they'd want to stick together.

Moo

Yes. Maybe a history of DV we don't know about.

 

[AIGT]

Do you think he's that smart?

I feel like he'd just straight up tell us

Someone opened up the super silent sliding door we can't hear, I'm guessing, and offered the kids some water. So they put their boots on and followed them out, I'm guessing. And then they must have closed the super silent sliding door we can't hear.

Moo

It’s not a bad thought but agree on the not being that smart so less likely. He has been pretty open about the abduction theory and how the boot print was at the road etc.

Plus they said the kids were playing outside

 

[Chimera]

Do you think he's that smart?

I feel like he'd just straight up tell us

Someone opened up the super silent sliding door we can't hear, I'm guessing, and offered the kids some water. So they put their boots on and followed them out, I'm guessing. And then they must have closed the super silent sliding door we can't hear.

Moo

Good points.
Hmm: Did the cops try that door themselves ?
Did it make a squeaking or grating noise ?
People living in a home get used to every sound the house makes, like creaky floor tiles in a hallway or the noise of the front door vs the back door or basement door.
Questioning as some doors are a 'bear' to get open, depending how old the sliding runners along the bottom are.
Sometimes you have to give it a good shove !
Jmo.

 

[Fruit]

I meant unusual in the middle of a missing person case. Can't recall seeing it before.

Cps would not make someone break off a relationship unless it was a serious threat to the children. They try everything, including things like parenting classes, before drastic steps are taken.

Moo

This depends. In my case (my mother living with a bf and my little brother) She got told to either leave the boyfriend or my brother would be taken.
That's because a mother and child relationship is important, and a child/"stepdad" relationship is not when compared. And if the bf/stepdad is the main issue within the home.

If it was a mom and a dad - they would probably offer a lot more to help the situation before rehoming a child.

 

[iamafiusny]

This depends. In my case (my mother living with a bf and my little brother) She got told to either leave the boyfriend or my brother would be taken.
That's because a mother and child relationship is important, and a child/"stepdad" relationship is not when compared. And if the bf/stepdad is the main issue within the home.

If it was a mom and a dad - they would probably offer a lot more to help the situation before rehoming a child.

DM is the biological father of Meadow, the one mom left the property with.

After that we learned from DM he is not allowed to see her right now, but we don't know if the same is true for mom.


Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Good points.
Hmm: Did the cops try that door themselves ?
Did it make a squeaking or grating noise ?
People living in a home get used to every sound the house makes, like creaky floor tiles in a hallway or the noise of the front door vs the back door or basement door.
Questioning as some doors are a 'bear' to get open, depending how old the sliding runners along the bottom are.
Sometimes you have to give it a good shove !
Jmo.

I guarantee they tried that door after both parents went on about how silent it is.

My house is sturdy maple wood and sliding open the back door can be felt throughout.

Jmo

 

[AIGT]

I guarantee they tried that door after both parents went on about how silent it is.

My house is sturdy maple wood and sliding open the back door can be felt throughout.

Jmo

Sliding doors are heavy too. Usually when kids shut them they either don’t get it shut all the way or it slams because they have to use all of their strength to get the momentum going

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Sliding doors are heavy too. Usually when kids shut them they either don’t get it shut all the way or it slams because they have to use all of their strength to get the momentum going

I'm not sure if the handle of their door is any higher than average, but they're generally 3 to 4 feet from the ground. I also don't know the height of the children, but I'm guessing at 4 and 6 years old, they'd potentially struggle with a handle that height. I'd imagine they might leave hand prints on the glass door if they used it.

Also in this pic, I just recently noticed what appears to be a smaller mattress laying between the two porches. Could be unrelated.

Source of pic

 

[tarabull]

It seems they could be right there on the property just somewhere they haven't been discovered yet.
Sickening. MOO. Poor kids.

 

[iamafiusny]

I'm not sure if the handle of their door is any higher than average, but they're generally 3 to 4 feet from the ground. I also don't know the height of the children, but I'm guessing at 4 and 6 years old, they'd potentially struggle with a handle that height. I'd imagine they might leave hand prints on the glass door if they used it.

Also in this pic, I just recently noticed what appears to be a smaller mattress laying between the two porches. Could be unrelated.

View attachment 586053Source of pic

According to Google the average height of a 6 year-old female is 3 ft. 9.5 inches.

Do we know if those aerial shots were from the morning of the disappearance? Because in the photos I saw all the toys looked piled up or lined against the edges. It didn't appear as if two kids had been playing.

Moo

 

[MarcieM]

Do you think he's that smart?

I feel like he'd just straight up tell us

Someone opened up the super silent sliding door we can't hear, I'm guessing, and offered the kids some water. So they put their boots on and followed them out, I'm guessing. And then they must have closed the super silent sliding door we can't hear.

Moo

Yasssss, my thoughts exactly.

 

[Diddian]

I'm not sure if the handle of their door is any higher than average, but they're generally 3 to 4 feet from the ground. I also don't know the height of the children, but I'm guessing at 4 and 6 years old, they'd potentially struggle with a handle that height. I'd imagine they might leave hand prints on the glass door if they used it.

Also in this pic, I just recently noticed what appears to be a smaller mattress laying between the two porches. Could be unrelated.

View attachment 586053Source of pic

The apron of the trailer is also pulled loose at one end of that mattress and it is a different color and possible material from the rest of the apron. It may be that police pulled the apron loose to search under the trailer but if not, someone should take a look.

Also the smaller stoop and stairs don't line up with that second door (you'd expect door to be centered above it for safety and would also expect a safety railing since it is several steps above ground). I wonder if that stoop is attached to the trailer or merely pushed against there. Was it recently moved?

ETA: Actually it looks like there WAS a top railing board to one side of that stoop and it is now sitting loose atop the stoop and there is what looks like a clothesline extended from a pole adjacent to the trailer wall out into the yard. Possibly safety hazard to have a clothesline reachable by a kid from that railing that now looks like it is down?

 

[MarcieM]

They’re guilty of neglecting the kids that morning at minimum by their own account. I don’t believe their account but if you want to believe them then they are at least guilty of neglect that morning.

I really flip flop! This article makes me think she’s the guilty one and trying to pin it on him. I really don’t know. The public just does not know enough, truthful or otherwise, with who was where doing what leading up to the disappearance.

I umderstand some say she may have been asked to leave in order to keep Meadow in her care but she then turned around and updates her relationship status on Facebook to single and he's since been standing in the line of fire alone. No matter how I look at it, I think it speaks volumes about her character.

 

[MarcieM]

The apron of the trailer is also pulled loose at one end of that mattress and it is a different color and possible material from the rest of the apron. It may be that police pulled the apron loose to search under the trailer but if not, someone should take a look.

Also the smaller stoop and stairs don't line up with that second door (you'd expect door to be centered above it for safety and would also expect a safety railing since it is several steps above ground). I wonder if that stoop is attached to the trailer or merely pushed against there. Was it recently moved?

ETA: Actually it looks like there WAS a top railing board to one side of that stoop and it is now sitting loose atop the stoop and there is what looks like a clothesline extended from a pole adjacent to the trailer wall out into the yard. Possibly safety hazard to have a clothesline reachable by a kid from that railing that now looks like it is down?

Let's hope the inside was safer for the kids because the outside looks so dangerous.

 

[iamafiusny]

Let's hope the inside was safer for the kids because the outside looks so dangerous.

Ya, I understand not being able to afford to take things to the dump. Or needing to hang on to things that might become useful in the future.

But they could have piled it up outside the play area and given them one safe place.

That fence looks like they were in the middle of building it. Wonder when that started?

Moo

 

[MarcieM]

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My mind usually goes to the step parent but here, Daniel seems genuine to me. If something happened though, I can't make it fit that they weren't in on it together unless, he spent Thursday night somewhere else.

 

[MarcieM]

Ya, I understand not being able to afford to take things to the dump. Or needing to hang on to things that might become useful in the future.

But they could have piled it up outside the play area and given them one safe place.

That fence looks like they were in the middle of building it. Wonder when that started?

Moo

Exactly, pile it up in a corner of the yard and secure a tarp over it.